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Hey everyone! I just discovered this forum yesterday! What a blessing it is!! Well, going on my second round of dealing with this beast! I had it licked at one time, but after going through a very stressful time, consuming too much alcohol, and becoming a fast food junkie, I have found myself back at square one. It has taken about 5 years to get here...ugh... I just want to warn those of you who get candida under control to please, please, please put a maintenance program in place!!! I am now dealing with allergies to wheat, rye, eggs, milk, yeast, almonds, and host of other foods, making my second go round much more difficult. I appreciate this forum so much and have found a wealth of information on it. I do believe that alkalyzing is one of the best things you can do--I know it helped me the first time around. I feel that keeping the body nourished and supported is key. I didn't have this the first time and I swear the yeast killing protocol almost killed me! I just have a few questions..
Has anyone tried baking soda for alkalyzing? Is it effective, or is coral calcium better?
Has anyone tried Candizyme or Candex? I have been taking Paramax for almost a year with no results so I though I would try something new. Have these products helped anyone? I really appreciate your input.
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- Re: 2nd time around... #83448
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MoreThis is a reply to # 937,173I take two coral calcium capsules each morning, I put 1/4 teaspoon baking soda per gallon of water and I eat about 80\20 alkaline diet mostly veggies. I'm on about my fourth month of Threelac, all this seems to be working well for me. Check your urine PH in the morning, should be about 6.5-7.0 and test in evening should be close to 7.5. This is a forum that I check each day
http://acidalkalinediet.com/forum/.
Good luck- Re: 2nd time around... gooseberry
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This is a reply to # 937,190hi 83448,
just wondering how did you get well the first time, what protocol did you use and how long did it take?
Did you do anyother cleansing the first time around?
thanks- Re: 2nd time around... harm-les
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This is a reply to # 937,622To be honest with you, I really don't know what I did. I have been sick with this since i was about 12, and at the age of 30 I discovered that it was most definitely yeast. I went to 2 functional medicine physicians that I swear almost killed me! I was on Diflucan and Nystatin(at 2 different times), and I felt like I was so sick I just might die! I couldn't continue this so I went to a naturopath that said she felt that the yeast was probably under control but that the dr.'s had not bothered to support my body in other ways, so I was very deficient in alot of things. I started using coral calcium to alkalyze, I also used a combination of 2 products in a morning drink---Biomega and Bionic Tonic. These helped my tremendously! I no longer know how to get these products and am itching for them. After about a month of this drink I would feel so energetic, and if I stopped, I would begin to "slump" again. At times I used A-F by Raintree Nutrition. It is an anti-fungal. I also used Stomach Chi to help keep my stomach feeling calm. I did follow the candida diet very strictly in the beginning, but relaxed quite a bit once I felt better.
All this is why I feel that supporting your body during a cleanse or a time of killing off yeast is so important, and could have helped me from the beginning. Of course, now I find myself riddled with food allergies , and although I have given up all allergic foods (and my nails are growing like crazy!),well, I should say, after 2 weeks of feeling great after giving up all allergic foods, I hit a wall and suddenly ran out of energy and became very sick to my stomach. Perhaps this is a die-off? I sure am hoping so! We'll see what happens the 2nd time!- Re: 2nd time around... sickofhives
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This is a reply to # 937,895I have consulted with Dr. Biamonte and am taking some of his products, I believe he has Biotonic. Problem for me in taking ANYTHING, is I am so sensitive to many things... any form of sweetener (even maltodextrin), soy, lecithin, rice powder and many products have these things in the fillers. I have not been able to take any vitamins for 2 years now. I couldn't even handle 1 capsule of HUMAWORM per day (I know it's not a vitamin), made me feel terrible.
Also, I found Jarrow L-Glutamine to be very tolerable. It is USP grade and I don't recall it having any shellfish.
So frustrating dealing with this and so grateful for this forum. I hope we all get our lives back soon. - Re: 2nd time around... gooseberry
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This is a reply to # 937,895thanks for the info harm-les. I just started with Humaworm and contining on Psyllium shakes. I have been doing the shakes for almost 3 months now and i am still expelling a some more stuff, i feel it's been quite helpful, but it does have the die-off effect that comes and goes and it can be pretty bad sometimes. Overall i strongly would suggest it! I think by getting the gi tract nice and clean first then the battle with candida will be easier. Anyways i am going to keep my progress posted. oh, i agree any form of stress makes this thing so much worse.
- Re: 2nd time around... sickofhives
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- Re: 2nd time around... harm-les
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- Re: 2nd time around... gooseberry
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- Re: 3nd time around... ketchup
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This is a reply to # 937,173I can certainly empathize with you, it's my 3d time around, and each time it gets worse--the terrible food allergies that I have now leave me with a grand total of 12 foods that I can eat without getting sick.
This curse seems to strike me every 9 years. Each time I considered myself cured, got back to exercising full scale etc. Did not even return to lots of carbs/sugar and junk food; I have never been into junk food anyway. My diet was pretty good these last years, but each and every time, major stress and emotional trauma did me in.
There is a lot of emphasis on this site on proper diet, although there is a lot of controversy about the optimum diet against candida. And lots of people feel the need to apologize for their past bad behavior regarding food. Guys, you might be as guilty as you think...;-D
IMHO, the emotional side of this illness is overlooked; even in the non-allopathic community, the emotional side of all illnesses is overlooked. I know quite a few people who developed cancer, diabetes, etc after a major trauma.
One of my friends,a very nice woman aged 30, went thru the most horrible ordeal, coming back home at night, she was gang raped by a bunch of thugs; 4 years later, she died of stomach cancer. I still think that the monsters who did that to her killed her as surely as if they'd slit her throat.
a personal example--yesterday, I had to face a major domestic emergency--I was very stressed and trying to cope for the whole day.
Today, I am paying the price--I have sharp intestinal pain again, I am headachy, bloated and full of explosive gas. Of course, no change whatsoever in my--very limited-- diet.
If there is underlying emotional trauma, unresolved issues or persistent stress in your life, you might discover that your progress is extremely slow, despite the fact you are doing everything right dietwise.
- Re: 3nd time around... vagabonden
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This is a reply to # 937,204I am glad that someone brought this up. For me, I was fine for years and then my mother died unexpectedly, and it was like after that my body went haywire. Moving overseas multiple times hasn't helped either and I'm praying for my life to stabilize. I try to cope with the stress through exercise, diet, mental and spiritual wellness and all that, and people try to tell you to "just relax" and "don't stress out" and you just want to smack them.
I also want to smack the doctor that killed my mother, but that is another story. I feel like in some respects he ruined my life. It's not good for me to feel resentment and anger -- I've been tempted to write him a letter expressing my feelings but my father told me to wait until the lawsuit was over...
Anyway don't mean to get off topic but yes, STRESS SUCKS!!!!!- Re: 3d time around... ketchup
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This is a reply to # 937,557It's true that lots of Americans have a bad diet. However, I think that people in the Candida Forum tend to overstress the bad diet factor, and disregard other causes. I can understand why--it's easier to correct diet than stress from a bad family situation, a bad boss, etc. Diet is something YOU can control; to control stress is not so simple.
And you are right--do not consider yourself cured from candida once and for all. If you want to stay healthy, you'll have to watch you diet and stress level for the rest of your life. - Re: 3nd time around... harm-les
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This is a reply to # 937,557Yes! This is exactly how I got this problem again! After feeling great for about 2-3 years, my marriage ended, I lost 3 members of my family, and my career was on the rocks. It was the most stressful time I have ever been through in my life--I eventually starting eating bad, indulging in alcohol a bit more, and rarely slept. I felt like I was living on adrenaline. I knew something was going to happen to me physically. I ended up with thyroid disease, then the yeast slowly started returning. ...like I said before, this all took about 4-5 years to happen. Staying stress-free is certainly important, but sometimes just impossible!- Re: 3d time around... ketchup
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This is a reply to # 937,883It looks like I am not alone in emphasizing the importance of stress as a cause of my candida problem; I am sorry for the problems you experienced, but I am glad we are finally talking about stress as a cause of candida on this forum, as I had the feeling some candida sufferers thought of their problem in purely mechanical terms; you know, caught a bad bug, wil kill it by ingesting a lot of substances, supplements, etc. and everything will be ok.
Like you, I lived on adrenaline all the time that it took to overcome the trauma of a tragic passing and settle the estate; once all the paperwork was finished, I collapsed and became allergic to everything. It's like I gave myself permission to collapse once all the material/money problems were settled.
of course, this stress came to me and there was nothing I could do to change the way these events happened; however, I realize now that I dealt badly with the stress--instead of giving me permission to cry sometimes, show weakness, and find people to help me and lean on, I refused to show any weakness, kept a stiff upper lip and tried to be a problem solver and a tower of strenght for everyone.
By refusing to acknowledge my own emotions, by forcing myself to confront a serie of obstacles head on, without help or respite, I literally made myself sick.
We have limited control on what happens in our lives but we have some control on how we deal with stress. My way was clearly the wrong way; unfortunately, it's the way most of us are taught.- Re: 3d time around... mooney
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This is a reply to # 937,990In Chinese terms anger and resentment have a detrimental impact on the health of the liver and a poor liver will have a detrimental impact on everything else. It's holistic and organic.
Best Thoughts Moonie
- Re: Stress & Inflammation can Kill!!... cannedheat
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This is a reply to # 938,033I agree w/ everyone. Stress is what caused my Candida, as well as my Interstitial Cystitis(chronic bladder inflammation). My body was soo run down already, I had a UTI and then my best friend died and my stress level went thru the roof. Felt like I was having a nervous break down and BAM, my body just shut down.
It is funny how the medical community never addresses stress. Stress is really what causes all the problems, it effects our immune system and Whammo, we get sick (cancer, heart disease, fibro, IC, candida etc). I think stress causes the inflammation process to begin and this is the start of the whole vicious cycle. They have now finally discovered that heart disease is caused by inflammation, and I believe almost every disease out there stems from inflammation, which is caused first by stress on the body, whether it be physical or emotional. I read that emotional stress is worse.
I am a therapist, and learned alot thru my training on stress and what it does to the body. I would suggest to everyone who is going thru a tough time to consider counseling. It is really a great outlet. Find a good therapist, and if you don't like the first one you see, go see a different one, find one that works w/ you, that you connect with. I have always joked that when we are born, we should all be assigned to a therapist. Some people are a bit reserved when it comes to going to a therapist, but it can really make a big difference!
Wishing all good health, physical and emotional.
Cannedheat- Re: Stress & Inflammation can Kill!!... ketchup
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This is a reply to # 938,584IT's great to see several people acknowledging the role stress played in their disease. When I mentioned that to the countless doctors I saw, I did not get any reaction at all, like I did not know what I was talking about and was not making sense.
Moonie, of course I agree, it's what I have been thinking for a long time, and I even believe it's not only the liver other organs as well that are affected by negative emotions--but how can you NOT feel anger, fear etc. after certain very traumatic events? PTSD is not something you get only if you fight in a war.
Religion and society teach us about forgive and forget, but what most people call forgiveness is just denying your own emotions, sitting on the lid of a boiling pot so to speak. Fear, sadness after a decease, anger, are normal, and they won't go away just by sheer willpower--you can control your actions, but not your emotions. So if you have to deal for a long period of time with something that, deep down, you want to run away from, like a bad boss, a bad job, a bad marriage, a life that goes in the wrong direction, you are going to pay the price with your health sometime if you don't face the music.
Cannedheat, I agree w/ the role of inflammation and the importance of therapy in such situations. However, finding a good therapist can be a hell of a job--I personnally saw 4 shrinks, none of them I found compatible and/or reasonably competent and sensible--psychorigid Freudians or Jungians, people so green and just out of training I felt I was the one who had to teach them things, ;-D etc.
It became so draining, as I was barely able to move, I had to give up.
One has to wonder as why the importance of stress in disease is so underrated by the medical establishment...
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