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I feel as though for about the last 6 months, I have suffered severe detox symptoms( I took a bunch of herbs and ALA, chlorella, etc) from multiple heavy metals and pesticides, and that in fact it is the cause of my now very slow digestion and chronic fatigue and extremely poor memory and attention capacity. However, I have IBS. Not diarrhea. Not Constipation.
So if I drink even a tiny 4 ounce cup of coffee/tea (caffeine I know, I know..), I am going to empty my bowels of whatever is in there. So food never stays in me long, ( and fruit juice does this as well as caffeine) and it always appears absolutely undigested, just pitifully digested.
Interestingly, I never had fillings.
This and the connection to my chronic fatigue and past need for ox biles to help me eat more (it is a struggle to hit the 1500 cal mark, and I am a 22 year old 180 lb man with very high Testosterone on lab results) is a sign that something is not right my billaries/enzymes/pancreas/metabolism/lymphatic system/gaul bladder/liver.
But I do not know if any of you have ever heard of the SCD diet used for the treatment of a lot of mental disorders and learning disabilities, but it talks about how culluloses and complex starches feed pathogens. They say chlorella and algea do it badly as well.
With that being said - I have very little lab work done. I still need
Metamutrix GI, Hair Mineral Analysis Test, and 24 hour cortisol saliva
Because my memory is so severely impaired, I am finding it almost impossible to organize or plan and do things for myself anymore. It is a struggle just to read these posts.
I wish I could say I thought I had low cortisol and thyroid but in reality I think it is not safe to say so. I am awaiting results to see if I have hypothyroidism, but I am sure it will say no. (full head of hair) I even could argue that I may suffer from elevated and abnormal cortisol, though I feel extremely fatigued. My brain/head feels empty. I feel zombie like.
I want to ask - Has anyone tried taking pregenenolone and got good results, and did you get severe side effects? What about glandulars for Thyroid and Adrenal. I am thinking of getting all three from nutri-meds.
The second question - Has anyone ever tried to just eat leafy greens with some sardines as a sort of low cal 0 Sugar anti-gut pathogen (in general) diet for a prolonged time and got results. This is the only type of fast that ever worked, and in part it is how I lost 120 lbs, but I struggled for 8 months to avoid having to go back to such a "starvation diet".
I truly do not know how to deal with complex gut issues like my leaky gut. In fact, it appears I obviously have some bacterial issue combined with very poor digestion because of methylation issues, potential gall stones, and very slow metabolism.
Because of this I just want to hurl hormones at the problem in the vain hope I will have enough energy to finally exercise and fast- the autoimmune attacks on me will subside, digestion will improve, methylation will improve. Being stuck sitting in the house and eating starches and red meats seems like a death sentence. I absolutely do not tolerate grains or fruit, however.
I have this fear that, my given my body's current tendency towards being starved of energy and losing muscle, taking hormones is like leaping out of a moving vehicle. As soon as I take these, I am afraid it is going to torpedo my immune system because of a lack of nutrients to support a higher metabolism. - much the same reaction I get to caffeine and stimulants.
Is this a warranted fear? Can I really feel so deathly ill with normal hormone levels, and this is all really the blame of my digestive disorder? Surely hormones could help me? Is leaky gut capable of making someone so incredibly cognitively impaired?
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This is a reply to # 1,903,744Please give more details about what you did to chelate and how long you did it for and how you felt while doing it.
I suggest you follow the anti-yeast diet very strictly and see how you feel.- Re: Special Dieting, Glandulars, Lab... sam7777
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This is a reply to # 1,904,015The mercola/ray peat/Lawrence williams/SCD diet/anti-yeast diet are all essentially the same in a way, and that seems to be what I am going to be forced to do.
Let me explain what herbs and supplements probably caused a severe case of metal redistribution in me- thus leading to sudden onset of memory incapacity, seeming hypoadrenal hypothyroid function.
I was taking literally about 25 different supplements-consisting of over 60 herbs. But in particular
Magnolia, Phellodendron, Schizandra, Cordyceps, Rhodiola, Yerba Mate, Green Tea, Fish Pills (ray peat says these are bad for digestion and cause ulcers), enzymes, Ashwagandha, Curcumin.
I was concerned to say the least, with the halogen, cadmium, and aluminum contents potentially in those herbs. They also, pharmalogically speaking, are notorious for mobilizing metals or increasing metabolism-thus indirectly doing so.
Took a bottle or so of ALA. I cannot remember if this was after I really started to see symptoms.
I have no proof of heavy metals in me, no fillings, no HTMA results.
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This is a reply to # 1,904,133I would suggest that you stop most or all of the other supplements, if you haven't already, and try just ALA every 3 hours for 3 days. Then you can see how you feel while doing that. If you feel worse (tired, maybe a headache or strange feeling in your head, and a variable number of other side effects), then that is a pretty good indicator that the ALA is removing metals. If you feel no change at all, then that would suggest it's not doing anything and perhaps heavy metals are not your problem (or it could suggest that ALA is not effective for whatever metal or toxin is causing you trouble, if any).
If you react to chelating with ALA, then you could add in supplements which help with chelating. I would be careful about using too many supplements since they can cause their own problems and confuse us as to what is actually working.
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This is a reply to # 1,904,133Removing heavy metals is essential. After Jimmy Carter mandated electricity be made from coal, even in natural gas-rich states, mercury by-products from coal burning became universal, with tons being released into the atmosphere all over America. Mercury interferes with all enzyme processes.
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With Fulvic Acid and R-Lipoic Acid, one is easily able to remove heavy metals, although it may lower iron levels in those who are already anemic. Anemia is best treated with Folic Acid, that uptakes B-12, that then uptakes iron from food, with black olives having a nicely absorbed form, ferrous gluconate.
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This is a reply to # 1,904,395I'm curious about how to deal with other heavy metals such as cadmium and aluminum, among others.
Are there any contraindications when using ALA or R-LA?
For the most part, I no longer take any supplements.
I am suppose to get results for thyroid and CBC/Metabolic Panel this coming week. And thyroid may well be low, but not likely on unreliable labs. If my hair were falling out? (not sure why that is the definitive symptom??)
But I increasingly suspect I have some biliary obstruction, elevated bilurubin, and sluggish liver- I do have IBS, but its mainly in reaction to inflammatory foods.
Not to mention pain that I guess is some sort of divirticulitus or ulcer (insurance for an endoscopy would be ideal). And my leaky gut.
Point being, I think metals and pesticides play some role in that (as in us all). But as of late, it really, really seems like my eyes are yellow.
I have ordered some pregnenolone sublingual, SAM-e supplement, and some thyroid glandular. I also am taking these trace mineral droplets. I kind of feel like this combo is gonna do something.
But I will only take ALA, when I take it or R-LA.
I kind of wish I had the energy to read up more on my links on chelation already, because I am aware of DMSA too. However, according to people like schultz, etc, chelation is sort of the last step. All other wholistic approaches to repairing ones health come first.
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This is a reply to # 1,904,419Actually, if metals are your problem, then there's a good chance that your other health problems may not go away until the metals are gone.
Or at least that was my experience.- Re: Heavy Metal Removal with Fulvic ... Marie 64
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This is a reply to # 1,904,427Eric,
I really believe your statement with the heavy metals.
I am using Dr Larry Wilson's protocol and through the hair analysis I am starting to eliminate the heavy metals.
How did and are you eliminating the heavy metals?
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This is a reply to # 1,904,446Here's my story in a nutshell:
I started to feel sick decades ago. I often had a stuffy nose, headaches, temperature intolerance, Raynaud's Phenomenon, Eczema, chronic fatigue, an irritable bowel, Fibromyalgia-like symptoms, emotional difficulties and many other problems.
I went to doctor after doctor, and they couldn't really help me. Sometimes a doctor gave me medicine to help with a symptom; sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't and sometimes it made my problem worse. One doctor said he thought I have Systemic Lupus while another thought I was suffering from depression, even though I wasn't sad. I was mostly frustrated because of my health problems ( Depression is, however, an often described symptom of what I really have).
Finally, I started doing my own research. I found Celiac Disease, and I tried a gluten-free diet. It helped, but only for a few months. Then many of my symptoms returned as bad or worse than before.
I discovered yeast and tried an anti-yeast diet, yeast killers and probiotics (The most effective yeast killer I've used is x-virgin coconut oil). I followed the treatment for more than a year. I felt better, but every time I broke the diet, the symptoms returned with a vengeance. I was also becoming intolerant to more and more foods (this was before I understood the need for rotating the foods on the diet). I was losing hope.
Then, the breakthrough. I discovered mercury. I discovered that silver fillings are 50-60% mercury, and the mercury is constantly leaking into a person's body. This, of course, can cause many problems, including yeast overgrowth.
I was skeptical, but I took an expensive leap of faith and had my fillings replaced and began using the cilantro and chlorella to remove the mercury from my body. It took time but after 6 months I was feeling better. I could break my diet and my reactions were relatively mild. Later I switched to the Cutler Protocol and after 12 months of cleansings, I could feel even more improvement. I used the Cutler Protocol for nearly 2 years before began alternating between Cutler and Cilantro/Chlorella. It was during times of using Cilantro/Chlorella that I experienced the most obvious improvement, but Cutler was obviously helpful too.
Now, I've been cleaning for about 4 years. Many of my symptoms are now gone or much less than before and my general feeling is much better than before. Recently I took a vacation to Cambodia. I broke my diet every day for 2 weeks. That would have knocked me out before I began the anti-mercury cleansings, but now I feel some discomfort, but it's fairly mild. I'm not ready to leave the diet completely, but my condition has improved drastically.
I even felt well enough to get engaged while I was in Cambodia. I wasn't sure I was ever going to feel well enough to consider getting married.
My only regret is not figuring this out sooner.- Re: Heavy Metal Removal with Fulvic ... sam7777
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This is a reply to # 1,904,471I have been particularly wondering what sort of role the immune system plays with dealing with these guilbert syndrome/fibro/cfs like symptoms. Also have to emphasize that the food sensitivities of add and autism patients is often exact same.
I am a pretty good example of there being some sort of trigger mechanism underneath all these mixed up hard to pin point symptoms.
I weighed 330 lbs and felt god awful. I felt depressed, brain fog, just not mentally capable of taking care of myself like an adult basically.
Kind of how I am now, but only weigh 175 lbs. So whatever was making me overweight before, that same immune reaction that seems to create such severe drop in metabolism is also responsible for bringing back on all the symptoms.
Sadly the only major change in my diet in the last 9 months was eating grass fed beef. Somehow I just think that was too much for the leaky gut thing to handle. (Kinda rough cuz the special SCD diet says not to eat chlorella - also heard fantastic things about chlorella growth factor)
So yea. I break my diet for Thanksgiving or a b-day meal, and it seems like somehow that could send me back to being chronically ill.
I really noticed these problems set in with a vengence during the beginning of june, because I was not exercising or sleeping as much, was eating Sugar occasionally, and had taken certain herbs.
All in all, I think the herbs changed my brain and body for the worse. They really were not suppose to but, the problems I have were to severe to take such strong risky herbs. I also suspect contamination.
Unfortunately I do not think I can chelate out PAH, Bisphenyl A, TCE, DEHP, or other nasty plastic stuff. (though these plastics leach metals as well).
I am not beyond looking into psychoneuro- based approaches. But that is sort of another discussion for another forum.- Well what about Probiotics sam7777
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This is a reply to # 1,904,631But to add-
I really think I am going to stick to the specific carbohydrate diet, and work my way through the elimenations.
What I will also do as an alternative to the metal chelation, is take high doses of probiotics, probably for many months.
This is what the SCD diet suggests. I want to work up to doing juice/vegetable fasts + 15 hours of exercise a week. I have ALOT of confidence for just those two things. They are very effective, they are just very hard to do without a lot of willpower..
Some ideas on good brand/type of probiotic would be appreciated.- Re: Well what about Probiotics #132242
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This is a reply to # 1,905,341the scd diet is very good.
just pay attention to protein overload. you will be leaving grains behind, and for some people meat is not a proper substitute for grain.
probiotics: take any unwashed organic vegetable, add rock salt, distilled or spring water and ferment it. beets, carrots, cabbage, radishes, cucumbers, bok choy, onion, peppers, all work well.
even better are cooked onions or fennel or chicory as a source of prebiotic. the scd diet will take care of most of the offending foods that are antagonistic toward your natural flora, so simply following it to the tee may be good enough. there is also a recipe for yogurt in the book, another great probiotic source.
cooked onions in oil or butter are one of the best/cheapest inulin sources and they work better than any powder i ever took.
you may also have to get your Amalgams removed to have your natural flora flourish unhindered. consider fir saunas in addition to, or as a replacement for some of that exercise. or exercise in one of those plastic suits that wrestlers/boxers use to make weight.
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This is a reply to # 1,905,354according to this mind blowingly profound website I stumbled upon...
http://forums.bettermedicine.com/showthread.php/62327-active-b12-basics/page1
I have a very long standing (10 years?) neurological impairment (neuropathy) caused at least partly by low vitamin b12. I thought my levels were ok because they were 510.
Well you don't conclude upon observing a river at peak flood, that it is always that high...
I got my b12 tested the day after I ate about 4000 calories. (it was an early b day meal, my bday was a few days away.)
I typically eat about 1200 calories...and I am a 180 lb 22 year old male... Well that's all can stand to eat...
My real b12 levels are probably lower. But I know there are a whole endless list of other issues that come along with b12, believe me I am not saying it is just b12. But this website really hit it home to me that "yea wow, this has a tremendous amount to do with fibro, autism, and CFS".
We are talking about metabolic diseases. Most people on curezone have a metabolic disease!
Another thing I was told was that my bilirubin was elevated to 2.0 over the 1.2 range. Well back in august bilirubin was fine.
So all those people who told me gall stones and liver issues you make a good point, but there are some facts to consider. Elevated bilirubin is differentiated by pre-hepatic, intra-hepatic, and post-hepatic. Gall stones and billary obstructions tend to come with the obvious dark urine, abdominal pain, pale stools, the stereotypical gall bladder symptoms, (granted most Gallstones are asymptomatic). Intra-hepatic is a bit rarer, and obviously has overt signs of elevated liver enzymes.
Pre-hepatic- and your looking at issues with the reticulocytes, and the hemolysis, or break down of your red blood cells. Gilbert's syndrome, autoimmune issues, sickle cell - some of the associated syndromes. So I could potentially have some outside chemical sensitivities causing my red blood cells to break down to quickly. But I also read that taking blood tests after a 2 day fast (which I did) causes elevated bilirubin.
But, I do show signs of jaundice and hypothyroidism. I am going to eventually do the liver flushes.
I am thinking of going for a high powered Jarrow's brand or Country Life sublingual adenosylB12 and methylB12, some methylfolate, some TMG, some SAM-e, some L-acetyl-Carnitine-fumirate, and some high strength ox bile. More probiotics, with the citrus pectin. Lots of vitamin C, D, K.
I am still going for the pregnenolone and thyroid glandulars, even though the labs were negative as I suspected. But I am going to be very cautious with dosing. My adrenal glandulars caused nasty palpitations for 2 days.
If this basic approach and (god willing a hair analysis test) can finally give me a small quality of life back, I will try to focus more on actual blood tests and diagnosis off of the online lab orders.
On a side note, if I have eaten unrefined celtic Sea Salt for a very long time, would it mask my adrenal fatigue? I wish I had the 24 hour cortisol test, because I have a sneaking suspicion my cortisol is not that low. Probably high at certain times.
Anyone have any bad/good experiences with SAM-e, B12 deficiency, that whole lot? I was not aware that the line between CFS, autism, adrenal fatigue, hypothyroidism, fibro, B12 deficiency.. was so blurry.
Kinda illustrates the point that you really have to question doctors for putting labels on things, especially when neither you nor they have ever sat down and read the biochemical mechanisms behind metabolic and metachondrial diseases.
"I can subscribe you Prozac?!" ... hahaha....
I recommend reading Ray Peat, Barefoot herbalist, Mercola, Lawrence Williams, among others..
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