criticism of dr. lam ridiculous fees... 
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[ This message was edited by forum moderator. Comment by Dr.Lam insrted by Forum Moderator.
I as a moderator do not know who is telling the truth. That is why I think it is right to present both angles of this story.
According to Dr.Lam, no patient has ever been charged more then what patient and the Dr. agreed to before the consultation.
According to: #132242 she was charged more then what was agreed!? ]
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Let me first preface this by saying that he is great for helping people out of the huge mess of AF and that he does answer questions here free.
Now let's talk about reality:
One of the things he admits is that chronic stress is one of the underlying causes of AF and that people should avoid it at all costs, and then he has the GALL to charge 400 dollars for the FIRST 15 MINUTES of talking to him.
[ Dr.Lams comment inserted here by Moderator ]
Dr. Lam: The statement made here that I charge $ 400 for talking with me for 15 minutes is simply false. I charge on a case to case basis depending on the specific financial situation of the customer and in almost all cases, my first initial consultation with a new customer will last 45 min or more. Also my charge for talking to me for 15 minute on a follow up basis case depend and is not $75. More importantly, all fees charged by me have been clearly agreed to, in advance by the customers prior to their talking to me and no customer to this date has ever been overcharged.
[End Of Dr.Lams comment]
I was sort under the spell of his nice on-line demeanor and his kindly looks, but let us get real.
This is an absolutely criminal amount of money for a physician to charge patients. he is essentially preying upon his patients financially. of course people who are desperate with failing adrenals will feel they need to cough up the money and pay the expert. i have seen some people here even go into debt in order to pay him.
i have been through the mill with people like this and they absolutely disgust me to no end. especially in light of the fact that all of his information is available in free websites or even here on curezone. it seems like the cornerstone of his nutritional plan is completely stolen from peter d'adamo's blood type diet. pantothene and vit. c supplementation are adrenal repair 101, and to be found in almost any basic book on nutrition.
from what i understand, you can't even get to be a patient of dr. lam anymore. when you call the office they pull the classic used car BAIT AND SWITCH routine of pawning you off on Dorene who is not even an medical doctor.
Apparently she has a masters in nutrition, which if you have been around the block, is pretty much a glorified dietician.
in my experience, the real healers are the ones who walk the walk and xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx[Edited].
They will charge a reasonable fee, especially when they know that they are dealing with very difficult cases.
After reading through the forum i am not seeing miraculous results from dr. lam, though it is clear he is helping some people. this is really a commentary on the status quo medical establishment who are so out of touch and so ineffective that a guy like lam can actually charge this amount of money and get away with it.
i wish more people would voice what i have said here, and i know that many people feel the same way, but they are either too tired or too fearful of standing up to predators like the good lam.
i can understand that a person feels that any amount of money is worth it to regain one's health. but do you have to go bankrupt in the process? this is what happens to cancer patients in hospitals. why aren't more people outraged at this nonsense?
perhaps i will write a little note to dr. d'adamo about copyright infringement.
this lipo-nano C sounds like total BS to me too. there are so many ways of taking vit. c, and if you can't take the vitamin for some reason then there are hundreds of fruits that will provide vit. c.
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- Re: criticism of dr. lam ridiculous ... Klauss
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This is a reply to # 1,674,478Other doc's who knows how to approach AF charge about the same amount. Dr. Rind, for example.
Can we ask dr Lam not to charge that much money?
No Unicorns has noticed that Dr. Lam may be Chinese but absorbed capitalist ideas quite well.
Fruits don not work as an effective source of vitamins anymore. There is a study done in U of T (not sure about U of T) that shows one orange in 60' could be replaced by 6 or 8 oranges nowadays. - Re: criticism of dr. lam ridiculous ... Maresydotes
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This is a reply to # 1,674,478Dr Lam is a true pioneer in his field. I have been researching the net for YEARS looking for a cure for my AF, and have lost count the number of physicians I've seen for it Dr Lam and Dorine are the only ones who have come anywhere near CLOSE to real solutions for me. Yes the Vitamin C/B protocols are as old as the hills (Adelle Davis Lets Get Well books also talk about it in great length) But there's alot more to it then just C and B. Dr Lam's articles give you the whys and wherefores, and really explains this disorder on every level. Not only that he comes from personal experience, which most other doctors cannot do.
Add up how much money you've thrown at (and wasted) doctors you've already been to, who tell you to waste yet more money and time on prescriptions that DON"T HELP and in fact will make you worse. How much do you think you've spent?? I'm sure it was a helluva lot more money then $400. Don't get me wrong I think its a high price to pay, too. But how many doctors & nutritionists do you know that have devoted their entire lives to helping others?
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- Re: criticism of dr. lam ridiculous ... #132242
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This is a reply to # 1,674,566i agree with a lot of what you said, but...
just because the standards bar has been lowered almost to the ground, it is not an excuse for lam to extort people. in fact, it is all the more reason, if he is genuine, to not pull the bait and switch and to charge reasonable fees.
and since he himself has gone through this ordeal and knows first hand that people have been bilked of untold sums, if he had a god conscience he would not charge outrageous sums of money. the sad fact is, doctors nowadays are business people first and healers second. some doctors are not even healers. lam also may happen to be a good healer, but he is certainly a better businessman. let there be no doubt about that.
if you searched curezone carefully and methodically, and i admit it is a task to weed out all of the ravings, many of the answers are there. i posted another thread outlining some of the main adrenal therapies for difficult cases. lam's website, while filled with some useful information, is more of a compilation from other sources. and he puts on an air of being some sort of charitable person, but the numbers speak for themselves. and the free email thing is bs because really you can't get very far with cursory emails just as you can't get very far at all in his forum because his answers are purposefully vague and lacking in content. at least i posted a concrete list of things to do/try that have a good chance of paying off.
as far as addressing other issues like metal poisoning, gut issues, and other things that can underly or relate to AF people would be better off surfing other CureZone Forums for answers as it doesn't seem like lam has much expertise there. most of what he has done it seems to me is make a composite of therapies from other sources and put it together in a frame that AF people can relate to.
i think when people do find SOME relief, any relief at all, they are understandably lenient with the likes of lam.
i am just doing what i think is right and pointing out the obvious, where many people don't see that the emperor is stealing money from the people.
- Re: criticism of dr. lam ridiculous ... Trick X Master
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This is a reply to # 1,674,591All of your writing is based on the fact that the price is $400. If the price was $100 you would not have these feelings. To simplify, you are angry about the price, that is all.
If the price was less you would have taken his care and not have made any allegations at all. This is the logical answer because you were going to take his services until you saw the price.
This means that you actually do not think that Lam's protocol is hogwash, you simply are angry.- Re: criticism of dr. lam ridiculous ... #132242
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This is a reply to # 1,674,616i think lam has some good things to say. i don't think he is worth the exorbitant prices. he is not working miracles.
the irony is that some people are actually working miracles and they don't charge a lot, or at all.
from what little i know and read of him, he seems to have a level-headed approach to AF. but lam does not even see patients. it is his underlings who take patients. i have been down that road so many times (thankfully it was a very ling time ago) i can sniff the bait and switch scam a mile away.
yeah i'm angry. was accusing me of being angry supposed to be some sort of gotcha moment? is being angry not ok in this day and age? does it invalidate my point? i am angry not just at lam but all the the racketeering doctors who are bankrupting their patients. 100 dollars seems like a fair price for a visit these days. 400 dollars for 15 minutes is absurd. i see nothing wrong with being angry at this type of behavior. actually, what i find abnormal, though i understand and empathize, is half dead people who cannot afford to see the doctor, defending his fee structure. i've been there, i know the drill, i know the patient mindset and i know these types of doctors all too well. i wish i didn't but i do. and now after having experience with these doctors i am giving them a little back. i have this chance to voice what i think is right and fair.
why isn't there a giant banner in bold print on the home screen of lam's website announcing DR LAM DOES NOT SEE PATIENTS. WHEN YOU CONTACT US YOU WILL BE REFERRED TO AN UNDERLING NUTRITIONIST.
i personally hold doctors to a high standard. we all should hold them to extremely high standards, both morally and professionally. they made a choice in life to supposedly help people. the hippocratic oath that they swear states that they should do no harm. when i see people here in severe distress who have to go into credit card debt at upwards of 20% interest, it literally makes me sick. i think lam should get on here and apologize profusely for his robbery.
i haven't read anything in the AF forum that i didn't already know and i haven't read a single word on lam's site that i didn't know -- most of his information is plagiarized anyway. so no, i would have no reason to go to dr lam.
admittedly, there are far worse doctors to pick on. lam has helped some people out. i just get disgusted at the fees, and how poorer people are getting weeded out and left behind, and how medicine in the US is becoming a luxury for the wealthy. the days of quality medical care, if they even existed at all, are absolutely over. it is no coincidence that curezone has grown into an enormous website with huge viewership over the years.
i am just calling it like it really is and somewhere lam knows that he is doing wrong.
in my profession i know people that charge 4 to 6 times what i do and deliver a much lower quality. when someone comes to me with no money i offer myself pro bono. and i am not a doctor or even in the medical field. i made a decision a long time ago to just do the right thing and not be a financial predator. in the end lam is really doing a disservice to himself, as he will likely be replaced by some new hotshot doctor.
there are people doing the raw fruit diet who have cured themselves in very short order. will it work for everyone? definitely not. but guys like lam will never be able to steer people in that type of direction.
at some level i really don't care. this is mainly for curious eyes, but as i get older these humanist issues interest me more and i feel the need to call bullsh1t when i see these materialist types in the 'health industry'.
- Re: criticism of dr. lam ridiculous ... chinlang
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This is a reply to # 1,674,731i like the doctor lamb. i think you wrong. a cost of 400 yuan for a doctor visit in reason. i try his B foods diet and my health improve. i stop eating chicken and shrimp. maybe you have problem with chicken and an shrimp? try order beef and if that not work call doctor lam.
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- Re: criticism of dr. lam ridiculous ... chinlang
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- Re: criticism of dr. lam ridiculous ... #132242
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- Re: criticism of dr. lam ridiculous ... Trick X Master
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- Re: criticism of dr. lam ridiculous ... ring5100
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This is a reply to # 1,674,566Very well put. I couldn't agree more.
But, than I have made my health a praying concern all along. I have made Psalm 32:8 my verse. I will instruct you and teach you in the way which you should go and I will guide you with my eyes ( says the Lord )
This incompasses, praying without ceasing and asking for direction and wisdom, as everyone's healing is slightly different in protocal. I know. As I am in my 2.5 years now, still healing of a severe stage 3-4 of adrenal fatigue. I knew I had adrenal problems about 12 years ago and read Dr. James Wilson's book Adrenal Fatigue and saw a naturopathic dr. who was familiar with it too. Just with that advise I was able to recover about 70% in 6 months. But, not knowing that excessive exercise, which I was still doing, was stressing my adrenals out more. ( plus financial problems and our house foreclosing and a major move, pushed my right into a severe stage of adrenal exhaustion) Many things listed on Dr. Lam's website ( which I've read completely and fully) I was still driving my adrenals further and thus lead me into a more severe stage that I can't seem to make that quick recovery from, as before. I have seen about a 30% improvement the past year, but still have to attain another 30% to experience a more normal life and that may take another year or two. I've heard it said from a few reliable sources and I can atest to this from my own slow healing, that it can take anywhere from 3 months to 5 years for healing, depending on the severity, the age you are and how weak your immune response is. The typical protocal of Dr. James Wilson was not working for me this time....PERIOD. Having a good doctor and some blood tests indicated I had a high T3 - caused by years of high cortisol levels, causing a 30 pd. weight gain in6 months, and aldersterone levels that were so low they were even of the range chart along with seratonin levels, and several other results that at least we could put a finger on what needed to be attended too. Taking the low and slow approach from the beginning is the only way I could take any suppliments and subscriptions, as anything in excess caused me severe anxiety.
I beleive one has to be in deep touch with oneself and ask God for wisdom and direction, and decernment. There is a lot of information out there and you have to sift it and experiement sometimes and find how your body responds to it. But, the basic protocal is the cookie dough. We all need that. As to the extra ingrediants, like nuts, oats, raisens, etc. that can all depend. Just an analogy.
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- Re: criticism of dr. lam ridiculous ... #132242
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- Re: criticism of dr. lam ridiculous ... say414
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This is a reply to # 1,674,478Wow, you really started some heated arguments!
I just wanted to say that I was lucky enough to finally find a doctor in my area that understands adrenal fatigue. He is a regular doctor, covered by insurance. His rate (before insurance) is $153 for a 30 minute appointment. This seems more typical of an average doctor's visit. Plus, if I have a question, I call and get a free answer (unless I need to be seen for some reason)--also typical of regular doctors. I live in an urban area, though, which is probably the only place you're going to find doctors thinking outside the box.
Anyway, perhaps people should look in their areas for one-on-one help that is affordable. Maybe Dr. Lam is good, too, but I seem to be making the same progress as many of the posters who are his patients. Dr. Wilson's site lists practitioners. My doctor wasn't listed there for some reason; he was on the supplement provider list. So check both. I also found a chiropractor who will do a free phone consultation on that site. He even wrote me my doctor's note for work before I was able to find my M.D.
I just think there might be more than one path to take to healing. And I find it sad when people start attacking people on here. It's a "support" forum, and and honestly, living with an illness no one understands, we need all the support we can get.- Re: criticism of dr. lam ridiculous ... #132242
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This is a reply to # 1,674,851yes there are a lot of options out there.
i forgot to mention that a good route to go down is to find a functional medicine doctor. they are often a bit obscure, and i didn't even know these types of doctors existed until i was well on my way to recovery many years ago. but they do tend to get results with patients where regular doctors will flounder.
just out of curiosity, i wonder what your doctor would say if you told him that you know of a doctor who gets similar results as him but charges 3x more.- Re: criticism of dr. lam ridiculous ... Megaman
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This is a reply to # 1,674,997A bit late on the post, but I just saw how dumb you sound. Look your whole complaint is about cost.... Get over it this is America! If you dont like the cost go somewhere else. I dont complain if I cant get something just look else where. If you ran a business you would set your prices, if people felt like it was too much, you look elsewhere, not cry about it. Plain and simple.
- Re: criticism of dr. lam ridiculous ... Megaman
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- Re: criticism of dr. lam ridiculous ... #132242
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- Re: criticism of dr. lam ridiculous ... homesickalien
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This is a reply to # 1,674,478I'm with Lam and he only charges the $400 fee up front and the first consultation lasts about an hour. In my case 1 1/4 hours. The 15 minute consultations you talk are the follow ups which are about $75 each.
Lam is pretty cheap when I take into consideration that I must have spent at least a 5 figure sum over 15 years seeing therapists and buying supplements without success because the underlying problem has been AF which not a single person I've seen has even understood and probably not even heard of.- Re: criticism of dr. lam ridiculous ... #132332
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This is a reply to # 1,675,033I am seeing a collegue of Janet Langes who specializes in Adrenal Fatigue and Regenerative endocrinology. I paid $150 to see her. I am able to send questions for free whenever I want to. She was very caring. The supplements she put me on cost around $200 plus there was a few tests I had to pay for but so far my energy levels are a little more balanced and I don't feel stressed all the time. Sleep is better although digestion is still whacked even though I am taking various enzymes..$400 sounds a little crazy for a consultation
- Re: criticism of dr. lam ridiculous ... selena38
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This is a reply to # 1,675,033Hello,
I was just reading about Dr.Lams fees and was a little surprised at the different amounts I was seeing. I had a consultation with the doctor (I did state that I was o.k in the finance area)He quoted that the initial fee would be $1000.00 for the program to be set up.Then 20 sessions at 195.00 each. The first 6-8 weeks require weekly calls then every 2-3 weeks and so on and so on...(6-9 months protocol)
Plus the vitamins at $7 per day. Just inquiring if anyone else is in this area of cost.
Thanks- Re: criticism of dr. lam ridiculous ... DayLily59
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This is a reply to # 2,056,417I'm also doing Dr. Lam's protocol and while the sessions are down to once per month at $75 with a "nutritional coach" the cost of the supplements are quite cost prohibitive.
I came to this board wondering what to do, as I am out of some of the supplements and can't keep coughing up $1000 every three months to continue on. With shipping to Canada and customs fees, I think I may need to call it quits and proceed on my own.
Yes, I have seen improvement, but how can anyone except someone quite wealthy begin to afford this protocol?
- Re: criticism of dr. lam ridiculous ... DayLily59
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- Re: criticism of dr. lam ridiculous ... #132332
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- AF Dr. with Lower Fees SeattleTom
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This is a reply to # 1,674,478Hi - My Dr. is Rose Mary Camren. She's a Dr. of Natural Medicine, and she recovered from a very serious case of AF before she became a Dr. She helped me recover from a very severe case of AF 16 years ago. She charges $25 for a standard phone consultation, and $80 per hour if it goes longer than the standard time. Her website is http://www.thenaturaldr.com.
She mails out adrenal and other supplements at least twice a week in the US and internationally.
Tom - Re: criticism of dr. lam ridiculous ... #137463
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This is a reply to # 1,674,478Dr. Lam is too obsessed with adrenal fatigue and should look at the bigger picture. What I don't understand is why he doesn't have set fees for his consultations. Even acupuncturists and chiropractors show their fees but can be flexible sometimes depending on the circumstances. In my opinion, there's no such thing as adrenal fatigue but I do believe in chronic stress.
Read this about adrenal fatigue from The Endocrine Society: http://www.hormone.org/Public/upload/Adrenal-Fatigue-Web.pdf
We shouldn't be wasting time with an unproven diagnosis.
This article is nice to read too:
http://www.ampedtraining.com/2007/exercise-science/adrenal-fatigue-quack-disease
- Re: criticism of dr. lam ridiculous ... rosegeranium
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This is a reply to # 1,755,777I just started working with Dr. Lam and I am so relieved to finally find someone who is working with me on a weekly basis. I have spent so much money going from one practitioner to another and they just tell me to do something and don't seem to care about the effects of what they prescribed. Dr. Lam sets up a Vitamin C challenge in the first week in order to learn about your particular liver and its ability to clear things from your body. How many times have you been to a practitioner and they tell you to take this or that without giving thought to how your body will react?
Working with Dr. Lam is for people who are very serious about healing AF and want him to hold their hand every step of the way. Sure I could read the book and try what he outlines, but I like being able to talk to him weekly to tell him what's going on. I have been to so many practitioners and I wanted to finally work with someone who was going to really take me on as a patient, not just give me a scriipt and tell me to come back in 6 weeks.
Maybe when more doctors are as well versed in AF, Dr. Lam will have some competition and will have to have more competitive pricing. For now, he's a pioneer and he can charge what he wants. This is his life's work and I'm sure he wants a way to weed out angry, needy people with victim mentalities. - Re: criticism of dr. lam ridiculous ... ways_of_wisdom
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This is a reply to # 1,755,777
And what, pray tell, is, according to you, "the bigger picture"?
I suppose you don't believe it because you really don't have AF, but those of us who've been through the ringer and have had all of the symptoms described don't have any reason to doubt. I think yours is a case of confusing a bad cold with the flu, maybe you have the first one but object to others saying they really have the flu? How can you know what's going on in someone else's body???
I couldn't care less about the endocrine society's appraisal of this, those so-called authorities have made so many mistakes and let so many people down only people who like being told what to believe by some "authority" figure lap it all up. I'm an independent thinker very able to connect the dots. Considering that you came here anonymously hiding behind a number, I can't imagine your motives are the most pure...
- Re: criticism of dr. lam ridiculous ... Mctutums
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This is a reply to # 2,059,540I am presently going thru severe adrenal exhaustion. Not quite adrenal insufficiency but nigh on near as darn it. My saliva test was a straight line from morning til night. I had a short synacthen test WHILST on prednisolone!!
I am left with nothing other than a fab GP who prescribed prednisolone, thank god.
I went on Dr Lam's site, learned a lot about many things but not the vitamins regime.
I already knew about all that.
Being a medical professional myself I feel it is a bit of a rouse to subscribe and pay huge amounts of money to gain a vitamin regime.
Although there are many who don't understand vitamins/food/h2o role in good health or exercise so they would probably benefit for the experience. However there ought to be a flat rate, a reasonable flat rate for all and in special circumstances, pro bono.
Most people who seek help are probably at their wits end, like I am.
Therefore it is important to not take advantage of that predicament. I think also the person whom you claim is hiding behind a number, we all have not revealed our real names etc as we are advised to do so inthis site, does have a valid point.
I can see why they are angry and I can see also why people subscribe to Dr Lam.
Desperation when one is ill, comes out as anger, frustration and it is a known fact with AF we experience these emotions, probably much more than healthy people.
AF is a myriad of hormonal lack, and all most of us want is to feel better not have our purse strings further tightened to the point of devastation.
It is a known fact people who are feeling very ill, will do just about anything to regain their self worth and feelings of health again,
Thank you for posting your response and for reading mine! This thread has been interesting hasn't it?
Best wishes,
- Re: criticism of dr. lam ridiculous ... Mctutums
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- Re: criticism of dr. lam ridiculous ... GranTurisma
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This is a reply to # 1,755,777Dr Lam is obsessed because he is trying to fix something with the wrong tools! I had adult onset adrenal fatigue and low level Hashimoto's syndrome with all the typical symptoms. Both conditions were also verified by a lab with blood and saliva work (for the adrenal fatigue it was the 4 saliva samples over 12 hours assay, which I did several times in a 3 year period). I spent hundreds of hours researching my symptoms over 3 - 4 years, which led me up some fairy paths, and taking all sorts of supplements, including adrenal glandulars. I won't go into the details of absolutely everything I tried (it is ridiculously long, and cost me thousands of dollars). One day I finally asked myself a few questions. Firstly, what is cortisol's main function? I already knew it was to reduce inflammation. So then I asked, why do I have so much inflammation? The obvious first culprit (and after much experience with this, the only culprit) is inflammatory foods! So I changed my exhaustive research tact to finding out what foods caused inflammation. This led me to Ray Peat's website, which led to me finally healing my body. Ray explains the inflammatory nature of vege oils (such as those made from seeds and soybeans), the healing benefits of palm and coconut oils and other saturated fats, anti-inflammatory aminos in gelatin, and the problem of too much omega 6. I stopped consuming vege oils apart from olive, palm, and coconut. I stopped eating nuts except for a true nut, raw macadamia. I cut back on avocado due to high levels of omega 6. I started taking a heaped teaspoon of gelatin a day (I don't take it any more, though I do eat bone marrow occasionally in osso bucco, and am not averse to animal parts). I had already taken gluten out of my diet a couple of years earlier, which cured the liquid diahrea and part of the fatigue, but did not clear all the other symptoms. Anyway, to cut to the chase, following an anti-inflammatory diet cleared up my symptoms, including an odd one, a puffy eyelid, in a matter of a few short weeks, after having these symptoms for years. I realised last year that it probably all started with heavy use of NSAID drugs for a herniated disk about 20 years ago. My puffy eyelid started then and never fully went away. All the other symptoms, weird feeling around my thyroid, gluten intolerance, crushing fatigue, started just a few years ago. My father and siblings all developed gluten intolerance within the same 10 year period (late nineties to early naughties). This makes me think that the genetic tinkering with crops got worse around then. (The incidence of Celiac disease increased dramatically after extensive genetic modification of crops began in the 70s). Go organic, go natural, and you will feel amazing and not need meds or a doctor. Sorry, vegans and vegetarians, but as an ex veg of 12 years, I know there are not many good food sources on such a diet, and many of the meat alternatives are inflammatory or toxic (eg, soy protein). You might feel good about it ethically (and this is my dilemma), but after a few years, you will start to feel like crap physically. In the least, eat organic, free range eggs and get off the nuts and vege oils. I still eating too much chocolate(which I am planning to taper off), but apart from a temporary low, there is not the crushing fatigue that a body trying to fight inflammation produces. Go organic! Get off processed foods! You will feel amazing!
- Re: criticism of dr. lam ridiculous ... rosegeranium
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- Re: criticism of dr. lam ridiculous ... UKB
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This is a reply to # 1,674,478After many years, I have been able to correlate CFS/AF/ME... with my spouse's life.
Choose and keep the wrong partner in life and you make a commitment to a life of idiopathic illness. It is chronic displeasure at where you are at and who you are with and low spirits is the best you can hope for, more likely are large bills from good listeners (really a great and positive skill but not a cure), snake oil purveyors (should be shot), and all sorts of people and businesses that would exploit the desperate and vulnerable.
My spouse is off down the road of spending our savings on a mistaken route with Dr Lam AND HIS RIDICULOUS FEES. The real cure is divorce - not happy about it; but, as I said above, I have observed this over a long time (more than 40 years). I don't want it but it is the only cure for them. It will improve their health and I will eventually get over it.
Finally, and just to be comprehensive, it is not only poor marriages that cause this sort of damage. It could be any very long-term driven relationship including career, blood relatives, or ideologies.
Advice: First suspect constant but unhelpful factors in your life when fighting chronic idiopathic illness - See more at: http://www.adrenalfatiguerecovery.com/adrenal-fatigue-doctor-review-dr-michae...
- Re: criticism of dr. lam ridiculous ... crissii
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This is a reply to # 1,674,478Thank u! Yes I sense a lot of BS from the site of Dr Lam.
Plagiarism from other websites is what I noticed. - Re: criticism of dr. lam ridiculous ... #172814
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This is a reply to # 1,674,478I was a patient of Dr Lam a few years ago and was totally "bought in" after reading his book on adrenal fatigue.
Desperation makes you do crazy things. I'd paid a whopping USD1200 for 40 minutes consult and subsequent consult was USD150 (or something close to it but was a ridiculous amount) for what he promised to be 10 minutes but it doesn't even last 3 minutes. He sounded impatient to get off the phone.
His strategy is usually quite standard among patients - up and up your Vitamin C and B5 with every call you had with him. He would also urged you to buy his supplements which I did. I bought 4 of his products - liposomal Vit C, B5, Glutathione and liver charcoal patches. Do NOT buy his supplements. The products looked like they are shoddily assembled/made at home. As desperate as I was, I did not dare to consume it when I look at how poor the packaging was.
The whole thing is a rip-off but I was suffering from panic attacks (first time then) and was scared out of wits. His book though is quite well-written. His healing strategy is standard from what I'd gathered - constant increment of Vit C and B5 up to a point where your body no longer tolerates the amount and that' where you plateau off. I still have weak adrenals if I stress myself too much and am on 1000mcg liposomal Vit C (by LivOn) and Rehmannia. I know that if I stick to a strict schedule of sleeping early, I would be heaps better but old habit dies hard. Wishing you all well!
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