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Hi,
I've been OP for 18 days, the last 2 days with sunflower oil. The first day with SO (yesterday) I had terrible left side, ear ache with lesser pain in occipital, teeth, cheek, eye and radiating further in surrounding areas as the day wore on.
This is an area where I have pressure feeling and low grade pain consistently and exacerbated pain with most treatments but it usually starts in the cervical spine, up through neck to occipital, continues upwards through the neck, jaw, teeth, temple, cheek, eye & sinuses. All on the left side only, although the usual consistent pressure without pain is both sides.
It started about an hour after OP.
It has just started up an hour after OP with SO again today. I hit it with paracetamol and now it has lessened enough for me to also notice pressure between eyes/sinus.
Is it usual for OP to exacerbate a condition in the recovery process?
Is it usual that one particular oil would cause this?
I've suspected infection of some sort in tooth or gums but I also had this pain several years ago and discovered a cracked tooth. The pain went on for about 2 years before the dentist saw anything. Even in xray. It was only when the tooth finally cracked that he saw it. He said it must have been a fine crack all the time I was experiencing the pain. About a year or so ago I had an extraction that got infected and even though it was treated with abx, I wonder if it wasn't completely healed because the pain has been on and off since then. I was hoping to get through some OP treatment and ruling out the need to see the dentist about this particular issue.
After help from a few members on how to deal with drainage down the back of the throat during OP, I’d say yesterday was the first day I lasted a full 17 minutes without that being an issue and feeling more comfortable in general.
Thanks for any thoughts on this…….Scouter
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This is a reply to # 1,185,830Please, can someone tell me whether to continue with the OP given the earache that has been going on for days? It radiates to the teeth and eye, etc. It's excessive pain. It started June 1 and hasn't let up except for an hour here and there thanks to paracetamol. And that relief is just marginal. I'm about to toss in the towel on OP if I don't hear that this is par for the course, or at least not altogether uncommon, when healing an issue in the area. I've tried several different oils and there's been no change.
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This is a reply to # 1,187,420I've never heard anything like you're experience happening wih OP. OP is a very mild procedure with generally mild if any healing/detox symptoms. So it's not to say your issues are unrelated to OPing, but I can say with confidence that it's anything but par for the course.
Obviously if you suspect that OP has something to do with your pain - stop, and see if it goes away. The only thing I can think of is if you're swishing the oil so vigorously that it's causing muscular issues that have to do with your ear canal.
If the pain goes away after you stop OPing, but you don't want to give up OP - you might want to change oils to something milder, and tone it down on the swishing action. Good luck!
The good thing about natural/alternative healing (why should "natural" ever be thought of as "alternative"?) is that it's very safe compared to mainstream medicine. So you can try these various therapies out to see which give you the big results and which do nothing for you - with relative safety. If something doesn't work for you don't sweat it just try something else.
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,187,434Thanks for your reply Larry. It might be that the swishing is causing it due to some TMJ issues (pathogens in the area?). It's all the more mystifying IF it is unrelated to OP. I didn't want to stop OP till I'd done it long enough to heal any teeth/pathogen issues but you make sense so I'll give it a break for a few days. This is part of an issue where I have pressure/pain in cervical spine/neck/occipital region/jaw/temple/cheek/ear, etc. and that's all exacerbated too. Perhaps it is something entirely unrelated.
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,187,930Scooter - let us know if stopping for a few days helps. If it does, my guess would be that it's related to the muscular activity of pulling more than anything else. In other words, the exercize of your jaw (which most people do to a fault). If that's the case, a much milder swishing technique might be called for. As Molly often points out "It's not an Olympic Event."
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This is a reply to # 1,187,420I have a leak in one of my fillings that was draining out my ears. I had to clean my ears once a day. After I started OPing that drainage was reduced to cleaning about once every one to two weeks. What I suspect is I have an absest tooth that is made its way into the jaw bone.
When I am doing other cleanses like Liver-Flush and parasites I get a lot of tooth pain. What I've noticed is my pH levels drop. The die off from parasite die off causes the acidity in the body to increase. I have to offset this with food with high pH properties like watermellon and aspergus. Just as a side comment, I would suspect when someone is ill there pH levels also drop.
When I speak of parasites, for me that means bacteria and probably viruses. I have not seen anything that would indicate worms, or any of the other stuff people are fighting on the parasite forum. The bacteria probably comes from that leaky tooth filling, but there are probably more.
With all the rain we have had in the area the mold spore count has gone up dramatically. I was trying to cut fields for bailing hay for about two days straight. I was out in the pollen, not drinking my water, and coming off an experiment about OPing and allergies. I went down hard Sunday when I came in from the fields into the house. I've increased my water intake to about 132 oz and OPed two to three times a day. I still have a runny nose, but the swelling around my eyes is back to normal, and I can breath again. I also had pain in my teeth and sinuses which has also gone away.
If the pain seems to be centered around teeth that have fillings I would suspect there might be a problem. If not, you may have some cavities forming, some sort of gum disease, etc. I can't say for sure. However, problems in my lower jaw teeth cause problems with the ears. Problems with the upper teeth cause problems with my sinuses.
What I do with my ears is put hydrogen peroxide in each ear and let it bubble until there are no more bubbles. This removes the buildup, and eliminates the pain. Once I can afford it, I'mm going to have the fillings (amalgams) removed primarily to get the metal and mercury out of my mouth.
Hope this helps. I think there is a relationship with the OP and the ear and sinuses. However, the OP is clearing the bacteria out, but the die off may have no way out except through the ears.
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This is a reply to # 1,187,991HI Arnold et al,
If it is a leaky filling, decay in a tooth, cracked tooth, in fact anything other than NICO, would you think that OP would heal it or would I need to go to dentist to get the tooth removed? Or filled with something besides mercury? I don't want to lose this tooth if possible as I've lost too many already.
I think there is probably something more than just a simple decay issue though because my jaw line just under both ears is always sore to the touch and if I press firmly it will often make me cough and I've so much pressure in my head.
In any case, I'm concerned that stopping the OP will interfere with possible recovery of whatever the issue is.
Thanks for your response Arnold.....Scouter- Re: HELP! Ear ache with OP ajgasper
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This is a reply to # 1,188,044I can't say that OP will heal teeth. There have been some posts on nutrition to heal cavities, but I think that would be a rather long process. Nutrition would be a key element in helping to reduce the intake of toxins, and contribute to your body's ability to fight disease.
OP helps clease the toxins and parasites (bacteria and viruses). I've heard it referred to as a 2nd liver. Again, I can't say that for sure, but it has done one heck of a job clearing that stuff out of my system. I have not gotten that pain in my jaw. When I'm detoxing very heavily I get ear pain from the stuff building up in my ears. Again, I use hydrogen peroxide to clean the ears. I did a parasite cleanse a few days ago and had pain in my teeth where I had fillings. I'm use to it now, and as soon as my pH levels go back up that pain disappears. Also try experimenting with oils...hemp, flax, etc. I'm not planning on any of this being eliminated until my teeth are fixed. But who knows, maybe I won't have to worry about it if the bacteria gets to my brain.
There was a Washington Post story back a year or so ago about a boy who had died from the bacteria from his bad teeth getting into his brain. His parents couldn't afford a dentist. When he bacame ill, Medicaid or something kicked in, and they performed brain surgery. He ended up dieing.
I personally wouldn't stop OP. On the other hand, it is probably advisable to see a doctor to have some tests run. If you have a dentist who specializes in non Amalgam dentistry, that would probably be a good thing. What you want to make sure of is there is no infection before they fill/fix the problem if there is one. On the other hand there may be another problem, but tests might/hopefully show those.
You may also want to post your question on some of the other forums like the parasite and Iodine forums.
Have you been drinking a minimum of half your body weight in ounces of water?
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This is a reply to # 1,188,044Just saw this on the Prasite Forum.
//www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1189770
May or may not be related.
Arnold
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This is a reply to # 1,189,900Thanks for the comments and link Arnold.
I just hope the pain in the area is due to killing pathogens. I've been on several protocols to kill infections (abx, Miracle-Mineral-Supplement ), guaifenesin for FMS,which caused a herx but no improvement, cholestyramine (Shoemaker). I've been taking Iodine and on the 6th day after starting the burning pain in my temple started. I was still taking Miracle-Mineral-Supplement at the time. The worst of my symptoms has always been pressure and pain in the cervical spine, up through shoulders, neck, occipital region, jaw, face and head. That reacts to most things that kill pathogens.
I'm hopeful the OP will act like a 2nd liver as it is sometimes referred to because I don't seem to detox well enough to benefit from killing pathogens.
I'm also starting a protocol for methylation cycle mutation, which may be the reason for difficulty with detox.
I'm using several different oils. How much food grade hydrogen peroxide do you use in your ears each time you treat them? I might try it even though I don't think the ears are actually the cause of the problem but just a source of radiated pain.
I'm also using Miracle-Mineral-Supplement (instead of Samento) but again, the herx is extremely painful so I cannot get to a decent high dosage.
As above, I'm also already taking Iodine and having reactions to it so am doing my best to find a balance between that and thyroxine. The burning pain over my temple with Iodine may either be due to killing pathogens or releasing bromines.
I cannot drink 1/2 my body wgt in water daily as I weigh too much but I do take in a lot of water.
I'm trying to find out if I raise my pH with 1/2 tspn of bi-carb in a glass of water on an empty stomach. Do you know if that's correct?
I also bought some Bentonite clay to try on my teeth. Still waiting on that arriving.
I'm doing a lot (see below) so something has to start working soon:
Magnesium Oil
DMSO
Oil Pulling
Cleaning teeth with bi-carb & xylitol
Thyroxine (T4)
Fish Oil
Cinnamon
Horsetail tea
Mallow tea
Vitamin C
Sodium Selenite drops
Silimarin
Wheatgrass tabs
Chromium GTF
Zinc
Iodine
Salt Loading
Zen Chi
MMS
Magnesium with Citrate
Cleaning Teeth With MMS at night
Charcoal
Thanks Arnold.......Scouter
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This is a reply to # 1,190,651The tooth that cracked and caused all the pain years ago and which I had filled to the brim with non-mercury even though the dentist wanted to pull it seems to be the one that has been the problem. A piece cracked off it last night and it has been better since then, although I can't let any hot or cold touch it. I think there might be a problem with a tooth above it too. I'm hoping the oil pulling followed by teeth cleaning and mouth washing with bi-carb & xylitol and then later with Miracle-Mineral-Supplement will heal it before I need a dentist. I am not able to get around much and I don't really want the dentist to fill or extract. I also have some Bentonite Clay on order so I'll add that to my teeth cleaning regime as well.
Thanks to everyone for all the ideas and support.....Scouter
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This is a reply to # 1,191,478I've had great results in the past with oil of oregano to get rid of tooth infections (instead of the recommended root canal). But if your tooth is cracked and sensitive to hot and cold, you should protect the tooth with a crown, filling, etc. No amount of OPing is going to be successful if bacteria is freely able to penetrate the interior of the tooth.
Personally I'm going to have my tooth filled (or crowned) even though they recommend root canal, because I know I can deal with most any infection with OP. But the root does need to be sealed off and protected.- Re: HELP! Ear ache with OP sandover
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This is a reply to # 1,191,910Sandover - way, way, way too kind. But thanks for being so supportive!
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This is a reply to # 1,190,651Scouter,
You might want to take a break from OP if that's been going on for a week or more. You have a lot of "balls in the air" right now and maybe it's too much -- oil pulling will be around when you feel better from the intense earache for sure!
One thing I would not advise is to take acetominophen (paracemetol) when you are hoping for more good liver function. It is terrible for the liver and impairs function -- ibuprofen or aspirin are better choices for that reason.
One thing you might try is to mix some oil and some Iodine together (1/2 cup sesame, maybe 10 drops iodine...) and use it directly in your ear. I had a friend who used straight Lugol's in his ears (as did, I believe, my other friend Molly!) and reported excruciating pain, although he got a lot of drainage. He is the friend I mentioned before who had the deep pocket wisdom infections that had migrated all throughout his head (e-mail me if you would like his e-mail to contact him directly to see what got him better, as I am not sure what he did in what order -- I don't think he has started oil pulling yet though!). Anyway, a diluted amount will help, and there is something about the oil-iodine mix that makes both very effective together.
I have a naked 3-y.old climbing on my lap but will look for your post or e-mail...I admire your forebearance with OP but 9 days is a long time to be in ear pain for sure....
Best,
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This is a reply to # 1,191,900Scouter --
Now that the little girl has fallen asleep I remembered that I meant to say, if you put the oil-iodine mix in your ear, you could add a couple of drops of the oregano oil, too. I would not use too much (again, you may just be in detox overload here and need to keep it simpler in terms of one thing at a time), but it is a good antibacterial.
You want to keep "stuff" coming out of you for sure, but as one who had a bad detox reaction early on (almost two weeks of a huge canker-esque sore on the bottom of my tongue which was so painful....I resorted to narcotics in a matter of days, and it of course was very similar to ear infection in pain level) it is better to not get totally disillusioned with OP! I felt very lonely here on the forum during that time, too -- it was a pretty new forum then and nobody had really had the bad mouth-sore experience -- yet! -- but in a way I am surprised I kept on going with OP as I am an all-or-nothing, f*&*-it kind of person. So I always think it was God who kept me hanging around here...
Just make a date with yourself to take 5 days off, let the ear feel better, think about using your OP oil in your ears with some Iodine as the replacement, and let us know each day what is happening -- that's my suggestion.
Best, and thoughts and prayers to you that your ear feels better. Sensitive-head-tissue pain is excruciating and you are too nice to be excruciated!
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This is a reply to # 1,191,906Larry wrote:
"I've had great results in the past with oil of oregano to get rid of tooth infections (instead of the recommended root canal). But if your tooth is cracked and sensitive to hot and cold, you should protect the tooth with a crown, filling, etc."
I've never had a crown. I will read about it. I considered using oregano oil too so will purchase some to have on hand. Can one add it to the oil they are OP'ing with?
Thanks Larry.
Laura wrote:
"You might want to take a break from OP..."
I'm ok with the OP now and especially since the piece snapped off the tooth. I still don't know if there is a deeper infection yet but the fact that the pain has lessened a LOT since that snap indicates that was the major cause of the pain. Odd that the complete snap off has lessened the pain. You'd think it would worsen. I know I have to get to the dentist to have it checked out, or get a crown as Larry suggests, but I'm just feeling so damn awful that I don't feel up to whatever work is involved. Plus I don't want another fight with them about mercury fillings. They wanted to pull this tooth years ago and told me if it broke again, they would have to. :( I won't have a root canal, even though I'm not sure what that is. LOL I MUST read up on this stuff. The most I've ever had done is extraction and drill/fill.
One thing I would not advise is to take acetominophen (paracemetol) when you are hoping for more good liver function. It is terrible for the liver and impairs function -- ibuprofen or aspirin are better choices for that reason."
I have a stomach sensitivity to many nsaids but found paracetamol to be ok. I'm wary of trying something new but I'll consider ibuprofen after I find the ingredient list. I started taking paracetamol when I was on the guai protocol,cuz it is blocked by aspirin, but I'll consider it also again since I don't take the guai anymore. I actually prefer to steer clear of any drugs but I've had to be sensible about that issue due to ongoing pain and insomnia along with other symptoms.
"One thing you might try is to mix some oil and some Iodine together (1/2 cup sesame, maybe 10 drops iodine...) and use it directly in your ear."
Hmmm... I'm not sure there is anything more than radiated pain in the ear. I'm also finding Iodine to be a problem. Maybe it would be ok in the way you describe using it (in fact I did ok with transdermal Iodine in low doses) but I think the Iodoral I've been taking may be the cause of the palpitations I've been experiencing. Or perhaps it's the combination of it and thyroxine. I've got a call into my doc to discuss that possibility and what I might do about it. Thx for the offer to put me in touch with your friend and I'll take you up on it if the ear turns out to be part of the problem.
"...if you put the oil-iodine mix in your ear, you could add a couple of drops of the oregano oil, too."
Thanks Laura.
"...it is better to not get totally disillusioned with OP!...f*&*-it kind of person."
Me too!I don't think I'm going to get disillusioned with the OP now. I'm well into the morning regimen and am dedicated to giving it time. I definitely need help with liver cleansing. I was going to continue with the Epsom Salt cleanses but I discovered that it isn't wise for me if I have a methylation mutation. I'll be starting treatment to unblock it as soon as the supplements arrive. I'm too ill to manage the coffee enemas too. I AM going to get my sister to help with that but she's not well either and it takes all her efforts to get to work and home again.
"Sensitive-head-tissue pain is excruciating and you are too nice to be excruciated!"
Thanks Laura. That's so sweet of you. I'll report in to let you all know how I'm doing.
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This is a reply to # 1,191,987
Hi,
I found your post thread searching for help for myself. I was surprised to see someone who has almost the same symptoms I have been experiencing for the last 2 days. Especially since others didn't seem to relate.
The strange thing is, I was trying to remember if there was anything that I had done that led to the pain and then I remembered that I had tried OP for the first time. Which wasn't a good idea in the first place because of the risk of over detoxing, which I think is part of the problem.
I have pain in the left jaw, ear and the back teeth (wisdom, prirmarily). I have long suspected there is infection lurking under that whole side. I have chronic fatigue.
The other thing is I had all of my silver fillings removed 4 years ago. But I had lots of gum infections before and occasionally since. More as of late.
Back to OP. I only did it once and for about 3 minutes. I still suspect that it may have been enough to stir up the infection. I have also increased my salt water intake which could also stir up trouble too quickly if one is not careful.
Things I think are helping are a tea called sympacho (synfre, lapacho, mate), and NO SUGAR of STARCH, not EVEN brown rice or anything. Seems to make it worse and I supspect the rice to got things going. So Anti-candida diet for me and I have been taking lots of kombucha, kefir and beet kvass and carrot juice all from scratch. Also taking Immunity and Viragon herbal formulas, aloe vera juice, and ACV. Tried oregano oil in ear, really hurt.
Any thoughts? Oh and it has only grown worse even though I haven't done any OPing since Friday morning.
Do any of you think I should consider more OP to try to pull the infection? Pain relief would be very welcome here, It reminds me of when I had the mumps (long ago) Hurts to chew.
Lo (dream)
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Hi
My wife has been oil pulling for nearly a month..she stopped for a couple of days and has got a severe pain in ear/teetha nd jaws specifically the left jaw. She has some old fillings almost worn out in the lower left jaw. However the pain is there even in the upper jaw...similar to yours..diificult to eat or chew. She's taking a pain killer -co-dydramol - which seems to be more effective than paracetamol - might need a prescriiption though. Pleane check suitability from a doctor before using.
The ear pain has now reduced but the jaw tooth pain still remains and radiates above the eyes on the left. She's still OPing in the hope that the jaw pain is a temp issue
I wonder if this pain could be due to the elimination of normally useful bacteria in the mouth which latch on to the mercury from the fillings!
Hope you get better..let us know if it goes away if you stop OP.
Regards
OPuller
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This is a reply to # 1,191,987Scouter - you definitely need to mix oil of oregano with other oil. Just a couple drops are very potent and can cause a burning sensation in the gums. I adjust the amount of OO (Olive-Oil) to be the most heat I can reasonably stand on my gums. Since you're mixing it with other oil, get oil of oregano that is not in an olive oil base.
When I was having the major toothache, I would start by pulling with Flax or Hemp oil and OO. If that didn't get all the pain, I'd put a couple more drops in warm water and swish. In the worst of it, I'd also put a drop of OO (Olive-Oil) directly in the tooth cavity. I would also swish with Colloidal Silver . It sounds like a lot of trouble, but given the degree of pain, the other alternatives were to pull the tooth or do two root canals. So now that my teeth in question are alive and back to normal in my mouth, needless to say, it was well worth it.
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This is a reply to # 1,192,215Thanks again for all suggestions guys. I'm still OP'ing and the pain is gone unless something it doesn't like gets into the area. I'm very careful eating! I know that I haven't healed the area yet though and am still contemplating getting to the dentist. I haven't got any oregano oil yet but my daughter will purchase some for me as soon as she can find some. She will look in the local health food shop as she hasn't seen any in the supermarket. I still have put any oil with Iodine in my ear but still might.
Thanks again guys......Scouter- Re: ps oregano oil Scouter
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This is a reply to # 1,195,720Just a quick update. Still no bad pain, although I occasionally get something trying to start up. I actually think the tooth that snapped isn't a problem at the moment but the one above is still reacting to hot/cold and some foods. Still cannot face the dentist. I am oil pulling every day and have oregano oil on order. I clean teeth with Bentonite each morning and then later start using Miracle-Mineral-Supplement instead. Doc says I have over activity in the carotid artery, high BP which she thinks, without tests as yet, that it is probably due to a 'stiff' aortic artery. She suggested magnesium aspartate (because I'm loathe to take any more drugs) along with my topical magnesium as the latter obviously isn't addressing the issue. I've also been taking fish oil caps for a couple of months now. In fact I'm doing a lot of stuff so something will probably start impacting shortly. BP is at least down from previous taken several weeks ago. I'm waiting on various other test results at the moment which may guide treatment further.
Thanks again for all your help guys.........Scouter.
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