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The popular English word for the catching-up event is "rapture", a word derived, as are so many English words, from the Latin language. In fact, when St. Jerome, who lived from approximately 347 to 419 AD, penned the Latin Vulgate translation of scripture, he used the verb rapiemur in I Thessalonians 4:17 as follows:
I The 4:17 Deinde nos qui vivimus qui relinquimur simul rapiemur [suddenly caught up] cum illis in nubibus obviam Domino in aera et sic semper cum Domino erimus.
I The 4:17 Then we who are alive, who are left, will be suddenly caught up [rapiemur] together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.
Rapiemur is derived from the root verb rapio, which means to carry off or to seize someone or something. The English words "rapt" and "rapture" stem from this Latin verb. Therefore, the English term "rapture" was appropriately borrowed from the Latin Vulgate as a description of what will happen at that moment based on I Thessalonians 4:17.
The Greek term for "suddenly caught up" is harpazo, which means to seize or snatch up something suddenly with great force without the consent of the owner. The specific usage of the verb in I Thessalonians 4:17 is harpagesometha, the future passive indicative tense. Compare the transliterated Greek to the English translation below:I The 4:17 epeita hemeis oi zontes hoi perileipomenoi hama sun autois harpagesometha [suddenly caught up] en nephelais eis apantesin tou kuriou eis aera kai houtos pantote sun kurio esometha
I The 4:17 Then we who are alive, who are left, will be suddenly caught up [harpagesometha] together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.
The verb harpazo is used a total of 17 times in the New Testament in a variety of ways, with several referring to the sudden nonconsensual seizure of human beings. The purpose of the above presentation of both the Greek and Latin translation of this verse is to stress that language should not be a barrier to understanding any concept that is established in scripture. Whether a particular English word is or is not found in the Bible is not important. What is important is whether the concept is found. The original language in which the text was written reveals that the concept of the sudden catching up is valid.
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MoreThis is a reply to # 406,623"Joh 3:7 "Do not be amazed that I said to you, 'You must be born again.' "
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This is a reply to # 406,620That's a good point. One argument against the rapture is that it is a Latin word, meaning that it was added to the Latin Vulgate by Jerome as a interpretive word, so therefore, not original to the Greek. But to say that "catching up" or "seizing" IS in the original Greek language Pauline epistle makes the teaching of the rapture fair game.
Here's a question: who is the "we"? Any saint who is alive at the time? The overcomer (a la Revelations)? The converted 144,000 Jews? Or maybe even the first century Christians?
I just don't know. I do know I love the Lord and He loves me with an everlasting love and I'm going to be worshipping Him in Heaven for eternity.
Blessings,
-Donna
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" Here's a question: who is the "we"? Any saint who is alive at the time? The overcomer (a la Revelations)? The converted 144,000 Jews? Or maybe even the first century Christians?"
It refers to the whole Body of Christ, every believer from Pentecost to The Rapture, first the dead then those who are alive.- Re: The Rapture...Donna califlady
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This is a reply to # 406,637CL,
I know. Just playing. Maybe I shouldn't have, seeing the activity now.
Hey, let's worship and bow down, kneeling before the Lord our God and Maker.
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This is a reply to # 406,632Which one do you suppose is un-supportive?
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This is a reply to # 406,646Why do you ask?
Do you think some will go to heaven and some won't?
God is not a respecter of persons.- Re: The Rapture #37896
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This is a reply to # 406,647are we humans really designed to live in heaven?
did Adam and Eve were intended to live in heaven?- Re: The Rapture Ev
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This is a reply to # 406,648What is everlasting life?
Certainly not everlasting life on this earth.
Are you here to debunk Biblical Christianity? Or to discuss?
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This is a reply to # 406,649Are we not allowed to discuss any relevant information to RAPTURE?
Psalm 37:29 (King James Version)
The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein forever.
What then is Psalms 37:29 refering to? if everlasting life was not here on earth?
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This is a reply to # 406,652I believe that passage is referring to the saints (born again believers in Christ) inheriting His promises of everlasting life. However it helps to look at the scripture in context.
Psalm 37:17-33
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For the strength of the wicked will be shattered,
but the LORD takes care of the godly.
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Day by day the LORD takes care of the innocent,
and they will receive a reward that lasts forever.
19
They will survive through hard times;
even in famine they will have more than enough.
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But the wicked will perish.
The LORD's enemies are like flowers in a field--
they will disappear like smoke.
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The wicked borrow and never repay,
but the godly are generous givers.
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Those blessed by the LORD will inherit the land,
but those cursed by him will die.
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The steps of the godly are directed by the LORD.
He delights in every detail of their lives.
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Though they stumble, they will not fall,
for the LORD holds them by the hand.
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Once I was young, and now I am old.
Yet I have never seen the godly forsaken,
nor seen their children begging for bread.
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The godly always give generous loans to others,
and their children are a blessing.
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Turn from evil and do good,
and you will live in the land forever.
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For the LORD loves justice,
and he will never abandon the godly.
He will keep them safe forever,
but the children of the wicked will perish.
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The godly will inherit the land
and will live there forever.
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The godly offer good counsel;
they know what is right from wrong.
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They fill their hearts with God's law,
so they will never slip from his path.
32
Those who are evil spy on the godly,
waiting for an excuse to kill them.
33
But the LORD will not let the wicked succeed
or let the godly be condemned when they are brought before the judge.
It is easier to understand what the intention and meaning of this psalm is when read in context....- Re: The Rapture #37896
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This is a reply to # 406,660so will the saint live on earth? in reference to the context you just posted....Thanks,
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What in that passage makes you believe it could be life on earth?
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Turn from evil and do good,
and you will live in the land forever.
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For the LORD loves justice,
and he will never abandon the godly.
He will keep them safe forever,
but the children of the wicked will perish.
29
The godly will inherit the land
and will live there forever.
It is interesting, to try to understand. A good thing to do, especially when trying to understand a passage is research the greek and hebrew meaning.
Perhaps it means the land on earth will belong to the godly generations, forever. Not one single person but as a group passed down through generations. Perhaps the psalmist is referring to Isreal?
It could mean a whole host of things....
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This is a reply to # 406,676"Perhaps the psalmist is referring to Isreal?"
Yes, all earthly blessings are for Isreal (with a few to the Gentile nations), Our (regenerate believers in Christ) blessings are spiritual and heavenly.
Eph 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ,
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- Re: The Rapture doc77
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This is a reply to # 406,672Hey 37896, here's a thought, we as God's kids will live on earth, where Jesus's New Jerusalem will be and like God, will be able to travel like a thought to any spot in the universe. Maybe to Paul's third heaven. Just a thought.
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This is a reply to # 406,679Hello Doc77,
Does the bible showed we can travel by thought? or is there a 3rd heaven? - Re: The Rapture batchman555
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This is a reply to # 406,697Psalm 82:6
I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
Romans 8:16
The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
Romans 8:21
Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
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Romans 9:8
That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Romans 9:26
And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.
Galatians 3:26
For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Ephesians 5:1
Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;
Ephesians 5:6
Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
Colossians 3:6
For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:
Hebrews 2:13
And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.
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1 John 3:10
In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
1 John 4:4
Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
1 John 5:2
By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
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