Iodine and biofilms? 
mumnz
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Hi, just wondering if there is any evidence of Iodine treating bacterial biofilms?
My daughter is sick with a bronchial chest infection that started in her throat and sinuses. This unfortunately is an all too frequent occurrence for her. It then progresses to her chest and she gets bronchial asthma. She has a hard time shaking it off and several months ago one such infection turned into pneumonia. She misses so much school because of these infections. I was told by a doctor that she probably has bacterial biofilms and he suggested a strong ionic silver (250ppm) and high dose liposomal Vit C – and yes it works to get rid of the symptoms after a few days of use but still the infections keep coming back so it seems the bacteria is not being killed completely.
I have had her on Iodine 25mg Lugol’s on and off for a couple of months – pulse-dosing but I always stop if she gets sick or seems to be detoxing as I get scared it is too much for her – with me I can often ‘rough it out’ but with my kids I don’t want to put them through anything unpleasant but perhaps she needs some strong dosages and I need to push through. I would appreciate any advice as I feel I am floundering around here. Doctors don’t seem to know a thing and I have spent so much money on specialists and even natural holistic doctors. I have just had a disagreement with my mum – she says I give my kids too many supplements and suggested that is why they get sick all the time – she is forgetting that they were sick before I gave them any supplements, it was the doctors and their Antibiotics when they were babies and when I was pregnant that made my kids sick and now I am trying all I can to try and fix them but it is so frustrating because NOTHING I try seems to work.
Several years ago a stool test showed an overgrowth of streptococcus in her gut and although she was treated at the time with Antibiotics (yes I know, stupid), I wonder if the streptococcus bacteria has taken up residence in her throat and sinuses and perhaps paired up with candida??
I am also wondering if I should be using SSKI instead of Lugols but I can’t source SSKI or potassium Iodide here in NZ at all – I asked at the pharmacies but they are out of stock and even their supplier is out of stock (strange…) so I would have to source from overseas – which I will do if I have to – I had just thought that perhaps being female, and being 9 years old, that she might need the Iodine as well as the iodide? Or should I just go for the Iodide as it might target her chest/lungs more?
Appreciate some advice from the experts out there.
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- Re: Iodine and biofilms? grizz
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This is a reply to # 2,162,520I think she is deficient in Vitamin D3. I suffered for decades every winter & spring with a TERRIBLE chest cold that started in my nose, spread to my throat and then into my chest. I sometimes even lost my voice. I also caught every flu that came around.
Then I discovered Vitamin D3 and I haven't had a chest cold or the flu in 8 years! Now the worst I see are a few sniffles during the winter. You need to take enough D3 to raise your blood test to 70 - 80 ng/ml. For most people this requires 8,000 to 10,000 IU D3 oil based Geltabs. Some people may need co-supplements if they have trouble raising their blood level.
The importance of Vitamin D3
Boost the Immune System, Prevent Disease
http://www.naturalnews.com/z028357_vitamin_D_deficiency.html
Dr Jack Kruse Discusses - The Sunshine of your life
http://www.jackkruse.com/the-sunshine-of-your-life/
At Home Blood Test: Blood should measure between 70 to 80 ng/ml
http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/about-vitamin-d/testing-for-vitamin-d/
10 Things you need to know about D3 - STTM
http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/vitamin-d/
Vitamin D3 in a New Light - Lew Rockwell
http://archive.lewrockwell.com/miller/miller25.html
Avoid Flu Shots, Take Vitamin D3 Instead
http://archive.lewrockwell.com/miller/miller27.html
Video Iodine Deficiency Crises
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1944789#i
Vitamin D3 Cofactors
Cofactor vitamins can help those who may have trouble getting their blood test to the optimum 70-80 ng/ml. Experience has demonstrated most of us can get optimal blood testing without the cofactors.
Magnesium Vitamin K
Zinc Boron
Vitamin A
http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/about-vitamin-d/vitamin-d-cofactors/vitamin-d-...
http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/news-archive/2009/vitamin-d-and-magnesium/
D3 might cause anxiety if you are deficient magnesium. "This also includes feelings of hyperactivity, mania, jitteriness and insomnia as well as anxiety."
.http://www.easy-immune-health.com/anxiety-from-vitamin-d.html
D3 Research Report:
http://tinyurl.com/Vitamin-D-Report
Also see symptoms of Hypothyroid:
http://www.thyroidchange.org/2/post/2013/02/300-hypothyroidism-symptoms-yes-r...
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- Re: Iodine and biofilms? mumnz
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This is a reply to # 2,162,530Thanks Grizz, I used to give her 2000-3000iu of D3 daily but didn't make any difference so now I have stopped, sometimes I do feel like I give my kids so many supplements. Perhaps the D3 was doing some good but I couldn't see any results. Although I understand that magnesium plays a big part and I think she is deficient so this could have something to do with it. She is now having magnesium as part of the Iodine so-supplements. That last link you posted to hypothyroid symptoms is one of the most comprehensive I've seen though - didn't realise frequent infections and sinus probs etc were a hypothyroid symptom. Maybe I just do need to increase her Iodine intake and stick with it. Thanks for advice. :-)
- Re: Iodine and biofilms? mumnz
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- Re: Iodine and biofilms? Ginagirl
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This is a reply to # 2,162,520IMO, it is time for the big doses. Like 300 mg.
What you can do with the Lugols, is to mix it with vit C, juice; then this dose should be no problem, even for a 9 year old. Or maybe half a gram.
If you divide this into three doses with vit C up to bowel tolerance, I cant see other than that the infections would have to give in.
Biofilms; "This same study shows that boric acid/borax inhibits the formation of biofilms and also the transformation of harmless yeast cells into invasive hyphal form"
-It may also work for mycoplasma, (too) many pneumonias are caused by mycoplasma these days. Candida, yes..
http://www.health-science-spirit.com/borax.htm
The combination iodine, borax, vit C, B and magnesium has worked wonders in all the children I gave it too.
None of them had detox reactions as we know it, except for some anger and a little more "reactiveness" like fever.
I agree with you that the Antibiotics may be the reasons why they are having these health problems. My health nightmare started with an Antibiotics .
But it is you that have to do the choice, taking a leap of faith in yourself; no others, me included:)
- Re: Iodine and biofilms? grizz
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This is a reply to # 2,162,552Gina is correct,
Iodine is the best Antibiotic ever discovered, where bacteria cannot develop resistance. When a person is Iodine sufficient, the mucous found in the nose, lungs, intestines has enough Iodine to kill bacteria on contact.
"Iodine is by far the best antibiotic, antiviral and antiseptic of all time."
Dr. David Derry
Nature and evolution have given us an important mechanism to control pathogenic life forms and we should use it and trust it to protect us in ways that Antibiotics can't. As we shall see directly below, so powerful is Iodine in a protective sense that it also helps us rid the body, not only of harmful chemicals and heavy metals, but also rids the body of abnormal cells meaning it qualifies as an anticancer agent.
Elemental iodine is a potent germicide with a wide spectrum of activity and low toxicity to tissues. A solution containing 50 ppm iodine kills bacteria in 1 min and spores in 15 min.
"Iodine is utilized by every hormone receptor in the body. The absence of iodine causes a hormonal dysfunction that can be seen with practically every hormone inside the body."
Dr. George Flechas
Iodine is my drug of choice. I use it for everything. I raise my kids and now my grand kids on iodine. My son was due to have his tonsils removed and I decided to paint his tonsils and he has never been had any more problems with his throat. I took a spray bottle and poured some iodine into the bottle and sprayed his tonsils. As you may know iodine dries quickly, so he didn't really swallow any. It worked within 24 hours after spraying the throat.
Every 17 minutes, every drop of blood in our body flushes through our thyroid, and if our thyroid has an adequate supply of iodine, blood-borne bacteria and viruses are killed off as the blood passes through the thyroid. We are just beginning to rediscover the amazing curative powers of iodine.
Dr. Mark Sircus
Much more:
http://www.life-enthusiast.com/iodine-universal-nutrient-a-4132.html
Whatever iodine is not used by the body goes harmlessly out into urine, and even then protects against bladder & urinary tract infections.
I have much more, see Iodine here:
http://tinyurl.com/Iodine-Reading
IMO, the combination of D3 & iodine kills disease before they start. See our Testimonials if you have any doubts at all:
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- Re: Iodine and biofilms? SickInSeattle
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This is a reply to # 2,162,587Can Iodine clear bacteria in the small intestines? My GI doctor thinks I have small intestine bacteria overgrowth and if the tests come back positive the treatment is Antibiotics . I have tried for 2 years go correct it by diet and probiotics, but he says that in cases where the intestines are not flushing properly you shouldn't even be taking probiotics. I did have the Antibiotics 1.5 years ago and was better for a year or so, but things have gotten unbearable again.
I have been taking about 500mg SSKI + 50mg Iodoral for a month or so now (and taking Iodine for the month before that at lower levels as I tapered up). I had planned on doing the Antibiotics to clear things up, sticking to the super strict specific carbohydrate diet after that and then trying to figure out how to clear the biofilm that the ND says is likely left behind keeping me from fully healing.
Or do you think I should up my SSKI to 1k and give it a few weeks before settling for the Antibiotic treatment? I take all the cosupplements + a ton of other stuff like Magnesium, a super potent multi-vitamin, milk thistle, biotin, colestrum, tyrosine, 5-htp, glutamine and recently added Boran (3mg). Vitamin D gives me headaches, but I just had testing and I'm at 50 so not super low.
Thanks for any thoughts. I've spent the last 2.5 years sick and my work has suffered, hence my plan of just doing the antibiotics to start over and then trying to heal the underlying damage.- Re: Iodine and biofilms? grizz
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This is a reply to # 2,162,631NO NO NO NO NO NO to Antibiotics.
They kill everything in sight, your good bacteria along with the bad ones. They cripple your immune system. Most of your immune system is in the gut. Iodine is far better for your health than antibiotics. Iodine is the best antibiotic ever discovered.
"Iodine is by far the best antibiotic, antiviral and antiseptic of all time.
- Dr. David Derry
Dr. Derry says that iodine is effective “for standard pathogens such as Staphylococcus, has the broadest range of action, fewest side effects and no development of bacterial resistance.” There is a world of difference between using an antibiotic – anti-life substance – and an antibiotic, antiviral and antifungal substance like iodine, which is life serving because it is a basic and most necessary nutritional substance.
Details here:
http://drsircus.com/medicine/iodine/pediatric-iodine
http://drsircus.com/medicine/cancer/the-end-of-antibiotics
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- Re: Iodine and biofilms? grizz
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- Re: Iodine and biofilms? Ginagirl
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This is a reply to # 2,162,587Iodine is not an antibiotic. Antibiotics kill bacterias en masse, both the beneficial ones and the pathogens that causes the symptoms.
Iodine work in a different way; it does not kill beneficial bacterias in the gut. If it did, we would have been a bunch of people with gut dysbiosis; we are not.
yes; Iodine gives us some control over the pathogens. But why? how? I know some of the answer; but I would like you all to think a little. We have shown that it doesnt kill yoghurt bacterias, or yeast.
Probiotics; a wast of money and time, IMO. A much better option, is to strengthen the stomach acid (lower it) so that the bacterias are killed in this acid, before they even reach the intestines. No yeast or bacterias survive ph 1-2.
- Problem today is that the stomach acids are to high ph, so it has to let through partly digested (=fermented) food with pathogens still in good shape.
If Antibiotics taken; bacterias are killed,yes; also your beneficial ones. Your first meal after an Antibiotic is important.
As here is the PREbiotics; what the intestines use to produce beneficial bacterias; their own PRObiotics.
The probiotics taken as a supplement dont survive the stomach acid, UNLESS the acid is so weak that it cant kill these bacterias.
Then it might have some benefit, that I never had. I have been through every little phase of this, believe me; learned by doing. And it was so expensive, the probiotics. The little effect I ever had was from ACV.
Then you have boron; 3 mg cant possibly deal with after effects of Antibiotics , or candida, or mycoplasma.
Not even 9 mg, still IMO.
30 mg and we start talking.
- Re: Iodine and biofilms? Ginagirl
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This is a reply to # 2,162,640About boron; no, it is not killing anything either, well not first hand anyway; only that fungus-like pathogens have no utilization of boron.
Mammals on the other hand, have both need for and utilization for boron, plants too, but not their insects.
So what boron does is to make the terrain simply not attractive to live in.
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- Re: Iodine and biofilms? mumnz
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This is a reply to # 2,162,552Ginagirl thankyou for that info. That is what I am going to do. I will mix the high dose Lugol's with her Vit C and Borax (I will source this as I had Boron tabs but sounds like Borax is better). I have been giving her 200mg magnesium citrate daily - is this enough? Also what Vit B's - the whole complex or some in particular? Yes I am going to take a leap of faith here, I did the same with myself, dithered around on the low dose Iodine for so long having bad reactions and finally got brave enough to try the high dose and it sorted so many things out. I guess because I have learned from experience not to believe everything written about a product and to do my own research. This is what led me to Iodine and this wonderful forum. If only I'd been so clued up over the Antibiotics back then.
- Re: Iodine and biofilms? grizz
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- Re: Iodine and biofilms? Newport
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This is a reply to # 2,162,520Malic Acid as in Magnesium Malate and NAC help.
see this for more info: //www.curezone.org/blogs/fm.asp?i=1528253#i
..the sustained release version seemed to work well: http://www.jarrow.com/product/323/N-A-C_Sustain
- Re: Iodine and biofilms? mumnz
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This is a reply to # 2,162,635Thank you Newport. I have seen Magnesium Malate in the health shop and I might get this instead once the Mag Citrate runs out as it sounds like a great form of magnesium. I will look into the NAC too :-)
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- Re: Iodine and biofilms? Ferventer
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This is a reply to # 2,162,520If high dose lipo vit C get rid of symptoms in a few days but symptoms always come back is it safe to assume that you discontinue high dose vit C? If so why?
High dose Vit C gives the immune system the electrons it needs to do its job. Outward symptoms do not necessarily mean the problem is gone.
vit C has been used to kill nearly every virus and infection out there and one of the things I hear all the vit C medical proponents make is if the vit C was not successful then the dose was too small or duration of its use too short.
- Re: Iodine and biofilms? mumnz
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This is a reply to # 2,162,774Hi Ferventer thanks, yes I give her 4000mg of liposomal Vic when she is sick, spaced out in 2-3 doses. When she is well again I drop this to 2000mg daily - sometimes Liposomal, sometimes straight Vit C, depending upon my budget.
- Re: Iodine and biofilms? fullset
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This is a reply to # 2,162,863
Hey mumnz,
I'm sorry to hear about your daughter. I'm still an amateur with the whole alternative medicine (definitely concur my opinions with some of the senior members), but here is what I can suggest based on what I've read:1. Try H2O2. It has amazing antibacterial properties. With involvement of lungs, I would add this because it has been used to treat emphysema. As a matter of fact, trapper cured his emphysema with food grade 35% hydrogen peroxide. Be careful - don't use the one they sell in the pharmacies. They have many preservatives and they can't be taken orally.
Here's my thread on it
http://curezone.org/forums/am.asp?i=2161329#i
2. Mixing lugol's with vitamin C - I think I remember reading about interactions of vitamin C and lugol's. This reaction doesn't happen with iodoral tablets (the reason why I got them).
You can try to search for trapper's message where he mentions his peroxide experience amongst other things. I haven't figured out the search function properly on this forum yet.
Hope this helps. And I wish you well with figuring out the solution to your daughter's problem.
Good luck,
Fullset
- Re: Iodine and biofilms? mumnz
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This is a reply to # 2,163,180Hi Fullset, thank you for your post. I am fascinated by H2O2 (Hydrogen-Peroxid) but it sounds like something I would try on myself if I had lung problems, but not on my daughter - yet anyway, although I will do a lot more research. I think the reason ginagirl suggested Lugol's with Vit C was because I can't source straight potassium Iodide here in New Zealand so by mixing the high dose Lugols with juice and Vit C then it turns it to Iodide anyway which apparently works better on the lungs. But yes I am on a mission to find the solution so I am going to try it. :-)
- Re: Iodine and biofilms? KokoP
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This is a reply to # 2,163,372It's too late an hour for me to respond in full, but I would assert that your daughter is definitely dealing with multiple issues but the previous mention of mycoplasmas might be the most insightful as to long-term health and the roots of the problems. I have many documented sources that I can link for you and it's often explained that the mycoplasmas penetrate the cells and are resistant to things such as Antibiotics , etc. Here's one website that if you scroll down you can find specific mycoplasma symptoms, including ones infecting the respiratory system (but there are many): http://www.regenerativenutrition.com/content.asp?id=267
Targeting biofilms and overall nutrition might be a great approach. Sorry that I don't have time to offer more right now. Let me know if you're interested. Best of wishes.
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This is a reply to # 2,162,520Can you get your doctors to do a blood test for vitamins D and A?
I kept getting persistent sinus infections until I raised my Vitamin A dose to 50K IU/day. My blood levels were low before.
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