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This is a reply to # 1,904,666Awesome! I haven't been drunk in the Spirit in so long ... God, I miss that.
I believe I will just have to persevere and go after Him more and more and more and MORE!!!!
GLORY TO HIS NAME!
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UPDATE: Started to view some of her other videos and the first one, in the text below the video, said eternal damnation was a false doctrine! WHOA Nelly! Had to push the brakes on that video and stopped watching any of them.
Gotta worship in Spirit AND IN THE TRUTH, not one or the other alone ... what's that old saying ... if you only have the Spirit, you'll blow up ... if you only have the Truth, you'll dry up but if the have the Spirit AND the Truth, you'll GROW UP! =)
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This is a reply to # 1,904,666Hmmmm, I'm in my car driving along.....I wonder if the police officer that pulls me over has a Spirithalyzer tester?
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This is a reply to # 1,904,720the trouble of the flesh is not the flesh but that controls which abuse it and seen as pleasure for some reason mistakenly accounted more important. There is a true love that does not let it down and this is in each self we need it for the energy to be able to not cause harm then the holy spirit will be strong over the emotions and useless wasted precious actions and flesh. A child is born with a flesh blessed with GOD but then it is abused and taught to be abused, and now in this old world it is to real extreme that we are going to be all sick. sins are lack of true love that create sick spirits and then ill body or ill nature. The biggest sin is that when one lovingly forgives and the other not, the bad spirit, anger, is taken in the heart and has to be judged by GOD so a loving self has to grow faster with wisdom and the other has to find a painful event caused on him to learn to know the truth if not here then hereafter when the last judgement will not enable him to forgive him in his heart thus the endless hell or Karma if you will.
When forgiving is beyond wisdom also plays the opposite of the one who really forced mistreatment and bad work to others. very bad game of duality ( Satan and God)indeed. one has to sacrifice his flesh to grow wise and not beyond it for it is the energy coming from it is God living himself. I cannot take advantage of my unforgiving evil spirit onto the other who forgives because then I will never learn to forgive myself nor God in me. That is why Love the neighbor for we are the same in the heart before him But only with that love and I see that Jesus really wants this from us and for this I love him. ( he lives in me)
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This is a reply to # 1,904,810know that when our flesh is abused or misused for wasteful work or attention then their will be an emotion, a real low energy that really drive you to fight yet fighting it creates more sins thus more low energy and more harm thought to be a right defense for the body but it is not. So let us be loving children of God, don't accept coercion, misdeed for others for the sake of jobs or money and fleshly pleasure forced for money or for any objective advantage, even for having children - you will not be able to give that holy spirit or real protection at all and this too must be a wisdom from the self and the self and named for the bad other who controls will not know it and thus creates the opposite, devilry. To do really good from the very real loving self one cannot say it all in the life time here but Love that God gives you will be everlasting. you don't need to show it for love to be received for it is always coming, receive it, you don't have to earn it for it seeks you and earning it is the same being evil and taking it for real love. It is for this hungry to earn love that makes you for away from God for you will not have Love at all from inside out and out side in. I and My Father is one.
I hope 2012 will be this big change and no one will be left sick spiritually/mentally/and physically at all, from him.
God's Love!!!!
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This is a reply to # 1,904,810Trust, I agree that our thoughts and emotions do play a part in the amount of light or darkness that effect our everyday lives. We should always allow the Holy Spirit to guild us into light and truth....but I do believe there are times where we must stand for what is right even if people oppose us. For it is not whether or not the whole world comes together in unity that will save us. Our relationship with God is one on one.
Isaiah 55:7 "The wicked should stop doing wrong, and they should stop their evil thoughts. They should return to the Lord so he may have mercy on them. they should come to our God, because he will freely forgive them."
For we will all stand before God's throne alone one day and we had better have a Holy Advocate that will speak on our behave. That Advocate is Jesus. He pleads our case against the Accuser (Satan) by the blood He shed for us. With out that covering of blood ...we will not be able to bear to hear the Accuser list all the sins we have ever committed in our life. We will know we are doomed.
Romans 8:1 "So now, those who are in Christ Jesus are not judged guilty.
Revelation 12:10-11
"10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say:
“Now have come the salvation and the power
and the kingdom of our God,
and the authority of his Messiah.
For the accuser of our brothers and sisters,
who accuses them before our God day and night,
has been hurled down.
11 They triumphed over him
by the blood of the Lamb
and by the word of their testimony;
they did not love their lives so much
as to shrink from death."
We will not be able to stand before God and blame any abusers or hard life situations as a reason why we sinned or a reason for us to be considered His Holy Heirs. We must all ask Jesus to cleanse us with His blood and be that light within us...to be a part of us and then walk in that light all the days of our lives.
1 John 1:7 "But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin."
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This is a reply to # 1,904,720Refreshed .... That really has made me think a lot about it ... like I heard or read that Steve Jobs' last words were "OH WOW!" Since I have never once heard anything about him being a Christian, why would he say that? I'd expect him to say "OH CRAP [or worse]!!!"
ABC did a show about Near Death Experiences and one woman, a 'preacher of atheism' had died and said she "had peace" and saw someone coming to her and it was her long dead uncle or something. She recovered and she's still an athiest! She said she believes people see what they WANT to see.
Makes you wonder if satan fools people into thinking they're going to eternal peace and rest and love and light ... before they fall into hell? Really puzzling isn't it.
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This is a reply to # 1,904,826Yes, I definitely believe satan fools people into thinking they're going to eternal peace and rest etc.
I apologize for the post. I was not familiar with her obviously or I wouldn't have posted it. I was just looking for scripture for Romans 8. I do love the chapter.
Thanks for checking it out Marci and warning the rest of us.
Again I apologize. Maybe the Moderator will delete it. I hope so.
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This is a reply to # 1,904,720Lol, I just realized that this sentence can be read two different ways.
"What do you think about people who have near death experiences that are not biblical?"
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This is a reply to # 1,904,865I definitely believe people have near death experiences that do not reveal the truth according to scripture. When they tell of their experiences, even though they are hell bound, they speak of a peace and light experience while they are out of body. I believe these are supernatural experiences given from the enemy to deceive. Jesus is the only way to salvation. Unless a person has confessed with his mouth the Lord Jesus and believed in his heart that God raised Him from the dead, there is no salvation and a person is hell bound regardless of his out of body experiences. A person at this point must allow the Holy Spirit to regenerate them into being a new creature in Christ. Growth in Christ is a process.
"9That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
12For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." Romans 10:9-13 KJV
"Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new." 2 Corinthians 5:17 KJV
Now what about all these near death experiences where a person dies and goes to hell? They come back with terrifying stories, not only about fire etc., but about demons torturing humans. Some people say that these are not scriptural either because demons are torturing humans. We know that hell was created for the devil and demons and according to scripture they will be tortured in hell themselves. They are not the ones doing the torturing. I believe some of these stories are true. The Bible does talk about a pit that people go to. It also talks about the Lake of Fire that someday the unsaved, the devil, and his demons will be casted into. The reason I believe some of these stories are true is because it is not the devils time yet. It is not the demons time yet. We know they exist on earth to deceive and make life miserable for humans now. Why could they not also exist in the pit to torture those unsaved who have died? Their time of torture has not come yet. I believe their time will come when the whole thing is cast into the Lake of Fire. That is when they also will be tortured. At this point I doubt they will be able to torture the dead human souls any longer.
I also believe that some of these hell stories are not true. They may have been written to make money. They must be examined. I heard of one that looks to me like it was designed to extort money out of people.
As you have seen from this thread I need to pray for discernment. I replayed my original post and I couldn't believe I posted that yesterday morning. I should have seen through that just from watching that first video. Maybe I wasn't awake yet, but I thought I was. My mind was on the scripture and not the behavior of the woman at the time of the posting. Again, I apologize to the forum for posting it. I wish the moderator would delete it.
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This is a reply to # 1,904,914I think this was a good thread to discuss. I'm not sure anyone has a perfect understanding of hell....I know I do not. For the timeline can be somewhat difficult to visualize. Sometimes it seems it's too black and white sounding when we say if you die in your sins, you go straight to hell. Perhaps it's a christian shortcut we have come up with to win souls, instead of using scripture to explain? I don't know, I'm just wondering.
For if we take the bible as a whole....then I find it hard to make hell a simple place where one goes as soon as they die....for what about the great day of judgement? Would God throw us into hell before that day?
And what about the 1000 year reign of Jesus on earth?
Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? And if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Know ye not that we shall judge angels? How much more things that pertain to this life?
1 Corinthians 6:2-3.
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. Revelation 20:4-6.
Matthew 25:31-46
31"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. 32All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34"Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you
who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.' 37"Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?' 40"The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'
41"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.'
44"They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?' 45"He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.' 46"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."
Revelation 20:11–15
Judgment Before the Great White Throne
11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. From his presence earth and sky fled away, and no place was found for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done. 13 And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done. 14 Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. 15 And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
Does anyone see this a little different now?
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This is a reply to # 1,904,943I thought the unsaved were in the pit as a holding tank until they were cast into the lake of fire. I will go over your post later when I have more time so I can study the scriptures. Thanks for posting them. I think some of this stuff is a mystery. I know I do not have it all figured out.
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This is a reply to # 1,905,128I'm not sure....is that like the belief system (even though opposite...heaven, not hell) that some people go into a state of purgatory? Which would be someone under the state of grace that is transitioning for heaven....which I believe is a catholic belief.
If you do a word search in one of the online bible websites, you can search for the words....sleep, slept, asleep, sleepeth and such and you may see that is the term used for those that die.
In the story of Jesus raising Lazarus from the grave, scripture says:
John 11:11-14 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep. Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well. Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep. Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.
John 11:25-26 Jesus said to her, I am the resurrection and the Life! He who believes in Me, though he die, yet he shall live. And whoever lives and believes in me shall never die. Do you believe this?
1 Thessalonians 4:13-14 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
So it sounds to me that scripture says that God will bring with Him all those that believe in Him but those that do not believe perhaps just stay asleep? For now at least?
In Revelation the scripture says "But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished"....I guess we have to ask the question....who are the rest of the dead? I would think it would have to be all that did not accept Jesus and/or people who never heard of Him. They will see Him face to Face and no one has any excuse, but when we read about Jesus separating the sheep and the goats....it seems they are judged according to what they did or did not do. "The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'"
Don't you think that is weird that all of a sudden Jesus is judging by works alone? The believers in Jesus have been saved by grace but the others will be judged by their works or lack of works? Or so it seems to me. Could it be possible that those that walked in God's ways long, long ago...who believed in God and helped others in need and showed the fruits of the Spirit, may be given an opportunity at this time to recognize Jesus as the God they worshiped?
Just something to think about.
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This is a reply to # 1,905,148very inspiring refresh, you are getting more vital energy.
The fruit of the spirit/God's energy...
it was in Jesus and he knew it and we have to know it by his holy spirit. He always points to that fruit in that garden where the unknown is received as life given by God and the known - the our way of knowing it - is not and we take it as true for we are threaten by Satan's tricks , fear and that subject to deception and changes (death) even in our lives here on earth. we was pointing to the Father. and we all know this for sure. Many know that they are using the tricks and know that they harbor no real love in them and that they lie indeed for the wrong fruit (the body that God gives to us in the Garden). we are his and not to those who pretend to care for you and make each one of us subject to changes due to evil knowledge. we with the devils, lies, changes according to his own evil will (Satan's will, the prince of darkness). We have to stop depending on playing that the heroes (politicians, doctors, legislators, warriers, etc.) are our defenders, or their products and words are ours sources of life. They are killing us for sure for there control will sicken us to death before God call us, because as you say that this world is subject to changes as well in order to have that unknown eternal no change thus no more death or transformations.
Those who lies for their lives are going to receives what they are looking for - for it is of their mind, the darkness, lies they are making to find coming to their lives. Thus it is coming really, too, for them to fall into hot hell indeed, into their knowledge full of forced errors and a lot of suffering trying to care for themselves out of the Satan, cruelty, horror, hate. They hate God, because they hate you and me. And it is in the holy book. So that they can rob you and me. How fool, indeed they are not to know the joyful lives at all, the fruit of the spirit.
I know this devils very well and we have to judged here too so that they might change to children of God. That was the reason of the holy book and spirit and life. But many has gone to lies just to earn their livings as they were told by the evil spirit of total destruction.
Incredible, when we know about the wrong we use it as if it is told to do it - and that is Satan power through our dear ANger and hunger to destroy rather then to even love and learn what is really needed for the other who needed it. WHy we come into this world or bring children here?
OH, God what is wrong with human?
It is very painful but let it awake you into light and love and wisdom we all live together and want to live.
YOu known that this truth of pain of life turns ever more into anger and thus into more and more pain - the fruit of the spirit, Jesus. I envy him. you know when you really need you don't find it and when you don't want you find it. No escape from hell. Tell the people this. what change to God!!! well, if you change yourself and others not ...yes as you, refresh, say we need to pray in this hell of a world full of demons. Jesus said so that this world in not his realm, wow....
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This is a reply to # 1,905,254sorry, slips of absent mind,mine, I mean - he was pointing to his Father (ours too).
(not the body that God gives in the Garden)
this world is not his realm
But we have his holy spirit and his world ...if we walk his path, his deep lever of love and energy is also ours and this world will turn into the Garden or I alone have to leave you soon for this world is not mine, and the devils will make it a place of hell trying to live for ever here with genetic engineering.
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This is a reply to # 1,905,266I wonder if the embodied devils ask yet to eat the organic food, Oh, yes, from the Garden, no I will poison it for they are judged even here in this world and wait for them and tell them about there sorrow all there eternal life or lives or even Karma.
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This is a reply to # 1,905,270Trust2009 ...
I don't understand any of your posts and I don't mean to be unkind or rude, but you seem to be rambling without focus or direction. Some of what you say is Biblical, much of it is not. Seems to be a little Bible, a little New Age, a little this, that and the other. I fear you are confused or lost.
If you are a born again Christian, perhaps more Bible reading, more solid Biblical teaching ... prayer & deliverance might help you heal? If you are not a born again Christian, I would encourage you to seek the real Biblical Jesus, call out to Him, ask Him to save you.
Marci
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This is a reply to # 1,905,282There seems to be many who read the bible and think they are seeing references to karma and reincarnation.
I assume that people that come out of other beliefs systems grasp onto parts of the bible that "seem" to mesh with what they already believe. Of course a little bit of deception is just as bad as full deception. Hopefully Trust knows that he can not come in here and teach another belief system, because that would be against TOS rules. If he is truly seeking who Jesus really is, perhaps in time a true understanding will come.- Re: Where is the Judgement? trust2009
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This is a reply to # 1,905,298i understand, no I don't know about other religions more then of the bible, just from here and there. you know I see christ passion films and I cry and now I have a little cry but joyful and even at seeing the beauty of nature I feel it too, I hope this too come when I die and see Jesus.
Here too in this world I like to see Love and God's livings, and we all may be want this at lest, now deep in our heart.I pray be visible, his work. and through us. i like to feel and move it. have his conscious. Wow, is that possible refresh. and to know hereafter even if i know you will not believe it. personal. may be it is a book or in a bible made to be known..
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This is a reply to # 1,905,270Trust, do you mind me asking.....are you using a translating program to write your posts with or perhaps english is not your first language? Sometimes belief concepts do not always translate well.
I hope you are doing well with your health/life and have a bible that you read regularly.
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