Hi Ya'll, I was wondering when Hveragerthi would admit he didn't believe in the Creator and may be Why he has such a great problem with the Truth of God? Here is a Quote where refreshed asked him a direct question and he side stepped answering it: Question refreshed asked: Do you believe and trust in God? And: Where will your lack of trust end? Hveragerthi's reply: Quote: "The important question is where does it start? The answer is with truthful facts, not the made up as he goes ramblings of someone who does not even understand the basics of human anatomy and physiology or chemistry." End quote. I believe the Bible Clearly states that those who Deny Edit:(Christ)End edit. are none of God's?-Clueless Hey Clueless!!!! What is the topic of this board?!!!! IT IS NOT RELIGION!!! If you want to talk religion then take it to the religion board. THAT IS WHY I DID NOT ANSWER. This is not the place to get in to religion or politics, two topics that would get more heated than your over the top lying streak!!!
Part of the problem with ozone IVs or injections is the instability of the ozone. Even when injected you require a glass syringe for the injections and the rate of infusion is rather slow. So the ozone in the syringe is breaking down as it is waiting to be injected. And autohemotherapy requires removing the blood, mixing in sodium citrate as an anticoagulant, then mixing in the ozone and reinfusing the blood. Costly and slow process. Also more costly and invasive.
Rectal insufflation has the same efficacy as autohemotherapy after several treatments, and having a machine allows for the administration several times a day rather than whenever you can get an appointment with the doctor.
You will need a cold corona medical ozone generator and an oxygen tank with a regulator. I find that about a 10th of a liter per minute flow rate allows for absorption at the same rate as insufflation to prevent overinflating the colon. The first couple of treatments will be short due to the bloating that will occur. After about three or four treatments the bloating generally disappears and longer sessions can be done.
Remember, do not use Vaseline as a lubricant with oxygen or ozone. They do not react well together. Use a water based lubricant like KY Jelly.
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And listen to this whining as he tries to talk about alkalizing "alkalinizing" lol!-Justin
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See, you should not blindly follow what people claim Justin. If you read my last post grzbear was WRONG!!! So you just made yourself look even more foolish, if that is even possible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>> "I am particularly unimpressed with his use of Rectal Sufflication , the ridiculous idea of injecting a tube up your rectum and pumping ozone or oxygen up your lower colon to alkalize lol! This idea that raising your pH without raising essential minerals is pure quackery!" <<
look into the action/reaction this has... you may find that it will form hydroxide and hydroperoxide compounds...
H contradicts himself when he screams out against hydroxides, in his posts if he suggests the use of the above as you say... I have never read such posts by him; I only read, for the most part, what I respond to. If you have links, I would appreciate it.
However, he may be right about the alkalizing affect... is it the best option or safest though?
grz-
The whole basis of ozone therapy is the production of peroxides, not hydroxides. And peroxides are benefical. How do you think our white blood cells work? Why do you think so many cells in the body form peroxide in response to pathogens? How do you think NK cells kill cancer cells?................. You really ought to do your homework!!!
Here, let me help you out grzbear since you seem as stupid as Justin when it comes to doing reasearch:
http://www.staff.brad.ac.uk/ctizaoui/AOPs.html
"Ozone reacts with the hydroxide ion (OH-) as proposed by Hoigne, Staehelin and Bader to form one superoxide anion radical (O2o-) and one hydroperoxyl radical (HO2o) (Eq. 1), which are found in an acid-base equilibrium (Eq. 2).
Eq. 1
Eq. 2"
Here is a perfect example of my point in the last post about the pathological liar teaching Justin his craft:
lol! You m*o*o*ns may be questioning Moreless's success as a healer but as far as I'm concerned this is about Hveragerthis incompetence! He has no healing foundation
I realize that Justin is so in love with me that he will do anything to get my attention. This is why he keeps stalking me and resorting to false attacks just to get my attention. This is a great example. Justin has no idea of my background yet still goes on to claim that I have no healing foundation. He knows that this is a lie, but he still insists on telling it just because this poor soul is so lonely that he is desperate for any attention he can get. The truth is that I have likely been healing people logner than he has been alive. But the truth is still irrelevant to him.
he prescribes products like an MD
Hmmm... where is my prescription pad Justin? And show us an example of where I prescribed anything. Recommendations are not prescriptions dufus!
and is a total illiterate when it comes to the Science of healing!
LOL!!! What do you consider science Justin? The made up as he goes pseudo-science of someone who rambles on incoherently as if he channeled his facts from a dose of LSD? Are you really so stupid that you would call that science of any kind?
His big fallacy is that he promotes himself as an expert,when much of the advice he passes out is childish unconnected product pushing!
Can you ever stop lying Justin, or are you a clone of Moreless? What products have I pushed. I have made recommendations for people to go buy at a grocery store or health food store. Not from me. And those products have included nutritious foods like frutis and vegetables, and even mineral rich seaweeds and nettle leaf. So people don't have to buy the products Moreless recommends? They jsut go out in to their backyards and dig it up or something? You just keep discrediting yourself more and more with each lie.
Look close art his advice its not his its out of a product catalog!
Gee, what product catalog is that Justin? I have never seen it. Wonder why? Oh, that's right, because it does not exist. Justin is just making up lies as usual.
I am particularly unimpressed with his use of Rectal Sufflication , the ridiculous idea of injecting a tube up your rectum and pumping ozone or oxygen up your lower colon to alkalize lol! This idea that raising your pH without raising essential minerals is pure quackery!
Hveragerthi is no healer he is a salesman and he will I'm sure lead you to a place that will sell you all the machinery to sufflicate your rectum and other accessories!
Just more proof that you neither understand chemistry nor human anatomy and physiology. But since you like to play games let me ask the question this time. What is the EMERGENCY treatment for increased intracranial pressure and why is ths procedure used? Hint it has to do with the same thing we have been talking about. Of course since you are to stupid to learn I seriously doubt that you will ever find the answer. If you do though then you will understand why I was right all along.
Havregerthis has no testimony of healing anyone
Wrong again dufus!!! I have more than you can count. I just don't have an overinflated ego that needs to be constantly fed like Moreless has. Again, the ONLY reason someone would feel so compelled to make a testimonial page is to feed an ego. Just like how doctors have all those little framed certificates on the wall. Nothing but an ego feeder.
,he may have turned someone on to a product they haven't heard of before but even then he will presrcibe one product without realizing there is a balance to the human body and if advising one such element without an other can lead to an imbalance of course! I have had to correct him this on a few times myself!
ROTLMAO!!!!!! You had to correct me?!!!!! LOL!!!!! I doubt you can even tie your own shoelaces! I would not be surprised if you had velcro closures just so you don't have to strain so hard to learn! I see Justin also suffers from a narcisstic complex. I wonder if Moreless can cure that?
Moreless has hundreds of testimony many of who are still here on Curezone ,people who worked hard,studied gave up their vices and achieved their goals,,,
Yawn.................
but Hveragerthi calls them all liars each and everyone of us
Another lie being repeated over and over and over and over........ by Moreless and now Justin because they cannot respond with facts. So instead they lie to try and scare me off. Typical of quacks promoting snakeoil.
,complicit to MLs big scam as he claims! Then this bigot Hveragerthi says we should not be offended by this,,, I mean why should anyone be offended by being called a liar right??????
Hvergerthi is no expert and has no right to judge others and call them liars,, for what ends I might ask ?? Simply to sell products or to join in the establishments goal, hooking up with a self confessed propharma troll, to discredit anyone who is successful treating people in any other manner beside conventional methods!
I think Hveragerthi's goal is quite clear!
Apparently not since all you have done is to make false assumptions about me. On the other hand you come to a DEBATE board soley to lie about others and attack them. You are not debating as that involves providing evidence. So what is your purpose here? To do Moreless' dirty work as one of his angels of darkeness? To disrupt? To mislead? Just ot get a fix for your pathological lying habit?
So all these people becoming healthy from chronic illnesses applying the ideas is not "evidence" enough for you?
Moreless has not lied? Disregarding the lies he has told about me let's start with nitrogen being able to buffer the acidity of 4 hydrogen atoms. Yet it apparently cannot buffer the acidity of even one hydrogen atom in nitric acid, even with the help of oxygen, which Moreless also claimed as a buffer. And he claims that carbon and oxygen buffer the acidity of hydrogen but apparently cannot buffer the small amount of hydrogen in carbonic or acetic acids. These are just a couple of the NUMEROUS lies Moreless has been caught making up. And every time he has been caught in a lie he has changed his story to cover his butt with more lies that have also been disproven. To me Moreless looks like a pathological liar since he seems incapable of telling the truth. And he has taught this trait to Justin very well.
So all these people becoming healthy from chronic illnesses applying the ideas is not "evidence" enough for you?
ONCE AGAIN!!! Just because someone feels better this does not mean they are cured. This does not mean the treatment is safe. It does not mean that they will not suffer long term complications. How many people have felt better after they have undergone chemo for their cancers and the tumor shrank? Does this mean that they feel better? Sure. Does this mean the cancer is gone? Not necessarily. Will they develop long term complications from the therapy? Most likely.
Moreless' snakeoil is no different than the chemotherapy snakeoil docotrs push. Neither have been proven. And long term side effects are not really being made public. I wonder how many people have died from his dangerous advice. I guess we will never know since dead people don't write testimonials.
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