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Sheriff: Illegals get a free ride
By: John Brannon Messenger Staff Reporter
Posted: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 9:32 pm
By JOHN BRANNON Messenger Staff Reporter Obion County Sheriff Jerry Vastbinder shared some shocking news about illegal aliens who are arrested: Only those convicted of a felony will be deported to their home country. “If you’re an illegal and you’re picked up on a charge of driving on revoked license or DUI, the government will not deport you,” he said. That’s the policy of the federal Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), formerly the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS). Vastbinder said it was long the policy of the federal government that illegal aliens held by law enforcement would be picked up by INS, and later ICE, and deported, whether the charge was a misdemeanor or felony. “About a month ago, ICE sent us notice that unless an illegal is convicted of a felony charge, they couldn’t pick them up and deport them. They said they don’t have the manpower to do them all,” Vastbinder said. “Those illegals charged with misdemeanor crimes must be released. They post bond like anyone else. They go to court like anyone else. If they’re found not guilty, they’ll go free. If they are convicted, they’ll pay a fine or serve a sentence or whatever, like anyone else. “And they’ll be free like anyone else. Of course, they’ll still be illegal aliens, still be in this country illegally. Those who are convicted of a felony will be deported after they serve their sentences.” According to the Colorado Alliance for Immigration Reform, there are an estimated nine to 11 million illegal aliens in the United States. CAIR asserts that 80 percent of cocaine and 50 percent of heroin in the United States is smuggled in from Mexico by illegals. Too, they cost American taxpayers billions of dollars each year for medical and welfare services. “It’s mind-boggling that we let people like that stay in the United States,” Vastbinder said. “They are here illegally, but ICE doesn’t have the manpower to ship them out because there’s so many of them here. “We’ve had some here working in this area and doing legitimate jobs. ICE would tell them, ‘You need to get your citizenship,’ and they would go and file for it. ICE gives them a break if they’re showing they’re trying to do right. “Being illegal means they broke the law, that they are in this country illegally. But we have to turn them loose unless they commit a felony.” And more and more illegals are crossing the border every day. CAIR estimates 10,000 a day. “We’ve had some illegals in here. And when we get them in here, they are entitled to the same things as other prisoners — dental care, medical care, the works,” Vastbinder said. “They have a free ride, all courtesy of the American taxpayers. “This whole thing blows my mind.” Published in The Messenger 9.16.08
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 6:59 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
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“If you’re an illegal and you’re picked up on a charge of driving on revoked license or DUI, the government will not deport you,” he said. That’s the policy of the federal Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), formerly the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS).
WTH?!?!?! So an illegal alien with a DUI can stay until he kills someone while DUI and only THEN he will be deported?!?!?! I see L-A-W-S-U-I-T-S galore against any town/state who allow this.
Isn't possession of and presenting fake/stolen ID a felony? That pretty much would make every single one deportable.
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Yep. ICE is understaffed to deal with the problem of illegal immigration.
You need to ask your congressmen/women to deal with this and allow local governments more enforcement abilities to deal with illegals.
They usually only put Holds on the worst of the worst and they don't have to pick them up when they complete their time at the local jail. ICE can say, turn them loose.
DHS and ICE need more temporary holding facilities, like tent camps to move the deportees more quickly.
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“About a month ago, ICE sent us notice that unless an illegal is convicted of a felony charge, they couldn’t pick them up and deport them. They said they don’t have the manpower to do them all,”
Well rather than giving aid to every country in the world, we should put those resources toward embellishing the ICE manpower.
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WE MAY AS WELL GIVE UP!
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“About a month ago, ICE sent us notice that unless an illegal is convicted of a felony charge, they couldn’t pick them up and deport them. They said they don’t have the manpower to do them all,”
Well rather than giving aid to every country in the world, we should put those resources toward embellishing the ICE manpower.
Vortex, you nailed that one.
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Obion County Sheriff Jerry Vastbinder shared some shocking news about illegal aliens who are arrested: Only those convicted of a felony will be deported to their home country. “If you’re an illegal and you’re picked up on a charge of driving on revoked license or DUI, the government will not deport you
This is the garbage we need to get away from in this country! Just being in this country illegally, in of itself, should be sufficient grounds for deportation!
Getting arrested for ANY crime should trigger an automatic deportation action! This country is still not serious enough with this V****V! No illegal invader should ever be released back into the community! Why should we have to wait until they kill an innocent American citizen before we deport these criminals?
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Protesters hope to force Arpaio out of offices
by JJ Hensley - Sept. 17, 2008 03:20 PM
The Arizona Republic
Tired of being ignored, they've taken their message to his doorstep.
More than 50 chanting protesters, playing music and carrying signs disparaging Sheriff Joe Arpaio, clogged the sidewalk outside the Wells Fargo Building in downtown Phoenix on Wednesday in an ongoing effort to draw attention to Arpaio's immigration-enforcement tactics and pressure the bank to not renew the county's lease for Arpaio's office space on the building's 18th and 19th floors.
Members of the group have gathered on the sidewalks near First Avenue and Washington Street for the last three weeks, but the protests have spread to other Wells Fargo locations around the country, and have started to draw in protesters from outside the Valley who are upset with Arpaio's methods.
"We're here to let him know we're not criminals," said Jose Morales, a Washington D.C. resident who flew to Phoenix to join the protests. "I think what he's doing is not right. That's what made me fly here from Washington. It's racial profiling, and we're not going to stand for it."
Arpaio said county administrators chose to put his staff in the building and he had no control, but he does appreciate the attention the protesters bring.
"I love it. They're building up my polls," Arpaio said. "They're trying to get rid of a tenant, me, by protesting. It's disgusting how far they will go to make me stop enforcing illegal-immigration laws."
In the string of Arpaio-related protests that have bubbled up in the last year - starting with the scene outside Pruitt's Furniture and extending to crime sweeps and Maricopa County Board of Supervisors meetings - the action outside the Wells Fargo building has become the most persistent and could turn into the lengthiest.
Organizers say they have no plans to abandon their two-hour weekday vigil outside the bank tower until the lease is broken on the space the county leases for Arpaio and County Attorney Andrew Thomas, and Immigration and Customs Enforcement breaks the agreement that allows Arpaio to perform immigration-enforcement functions.
Those efforts, which have swept up U.S. Citizens and immigrants in the country legally along with illegal immigrants, have put the Sheriff's Office in the spotlight.
Organizers wanted to shine some of that light on Arpaio's landlord, Wells Fargo.
"We see that as Wells Fargo aiding and abetting crimes against humanity," said Kevin Greathouse. "They've not only permitted, they've accommodated the sheriff and the County Attorney."
Arpaio and dozens of his administrative staff since Oct. 1, 1998, have been based in the 18th and 19th floors of the bank's building. The agency occupies 31,250 square feet of space, at $19.20 per square foot, or about $600,000 yearly.
An additional $12,000 is tacked on each month - $144,000 each year - for utilities, property taxes, insurance, elevator and plumbing maintenance, roof repairs, pest control, landscaping, cleaning costs, and other services.
County Attorney Andrew Thomas' lease is virtually identical.
The protests are the work of a coalition of local organizations opposed to Arpaio, including Puente, a group that helped organize the day-labor center in Phoenix's Palomino neighborhood and led protests outside of Pruitt's Furniture last year.
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Jaxon Van Derbeken, Chronicle Staff Writer
Wednesday, September 17, 2008
Mayor Gavin Newsom announced in July that the city no lon... (The Chronicle)
(09-16) 23:44 PDT San Francisco --
Nearly 30 percent of the felony offenders San Francisco juvenile justice officials have reported to federal immigration authorities since the city stopped shielding youths from deportation have turned out to be adults, authorities say.
The city's Juvenile Probation Department has referred 58 offenders to federal authorities since Mayor Gavin Newsom announced July 2 that the city no longer would protect youths from deportation under San Francisco's sanctuary law. The mayor took the step after The Chronicle revealed that the city was paying for flights home and $7,000-a-month group homes for underage, undocumented offenders, who as adults could face prison and automatic deportation.
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Of those 58 offenders, authorities have concluded that 17 - or 29.3 percent - were adults, based on immigration records and the statements of offenders themselves, federal immigration officials say. Most of the 58 were being held on drug-dealing charges.
"It confirms our early suspicion that adults were taking advantage of the sanctuary policy in order to evade detection, responsibility and prosecution for criminal behavior," said Joseph Russoniello, the U.S. attorney for Northern California.
Russoniello said adult illegal immigrants convicted of felonies face almost certain deportation, but San Francisco's previous policy of not reporting juveniles who had committed similar offenses to federal officials encouraged offenders to "game the system" and say they were underage.
Advocates denounce change
Advocates for the immigrant youths say that just because some offenders turn out to be adults does not mean the city should report all juvenile immigrant offenders to the federal Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency.
"We believe all youth in the juvenile justice system in San Francisco should be treated the same," said Renee Saucedo of La Raza Centro Legal, a Mission District law center for the immigrant community.
"Adults are legally required to be turned over to immigration, and that happens," Saucedo said. "But for fear of the system being abused, we are now going to treat minors the same way as adults. We don't buy it; we don't believe that immigrant youths should be treated any differently than other youth. We believe what the mayor is doing, his change in policy, is wrong. We see him caving in to anti-immigrant interests."
Saucedo added that "the benefits (of the sanctuary policy for juveniles) far outweigh the potential for abuse. ... San Francisco values people being able to live peacefully, regardless of whether they are immigrants."
Federal immigration officials say most of the offenders they have determined to be adults either admitted they were over 18 or had previously been caught crossing the border and the birth dates they provided then confirmed they are adults now.
Feds want access to jail
"There are people who are going to take advantage of the system," said Tim Aitken, field office director for Immigration and Customs Enforcement's detention operations in San Francisco. "The key point is, we need to be able to do our job."
He said federal officials should be allowed access to juvenile hall and adult jail so they can check inmates' immigration status more easily.
Sheriff Michael Hennessey, however, has balked at providing more access in the adult jail. He said that no law requires his agency to allow federal officials to screen inmates, and that the city's sanctuary ordinance requires San Francisco officials to have a legal basis for helping the federal government track down illegal immigrants.
The national head of Immigration and Customs Enforcement, Julie Myers, asked Newsom to intervene in the dispute in a July 23 letter. "Absent access to this kind of information, ICE is unable to effectively identify criminal aliens in sheriff's custody and lodge the detainers necessary to prevent the release of these criminal aliens back into the San Francisco community," she wrote.
The mayor's office has yet to reply. Nathan Ballard, a spokesman for Newsom, said the city is drafting a response.
Federal officials still happy
For all the back-and-forth over the issue, Aitken said, the city officials' revised policy of referring juvenile offenders is still an improvement over their former refusal to do so.
In July, City Attorney Dennis Herrera reiterated a 1994 opinion that nothing in the sanctuary city law provided protection for juveniles who commit felonies.
Among the 17 offenders found to be adults was Javier Martinez, who claimed to be 16 when he was arrested for drug dealing. Martinez was one of eight Hondurans the Juvenile Probation Department put in unlocked group homes in San Bernardino County who fled in June. When he was caught last month, he told juvenile authorities that he was really 25 and his true name was Jose Mendoza Cerrato.
He is now in adult jail after pleading guilty to a drug charge and is expected to be transferred to federal authorities when he is sentenced Friday.
Juvenile probation officials have said they are often forced to trust offenders when they say they are underage. They say that while courts can order dental examinations in an attempt to determine an offender's age, the findings are inexact.
Juvenile Hall less crowded
Probation officials feared that the Juvenile Hall population would spike after Newsom changed the city's policy and barred offenders from being put in group homes. In fact, the opposite has happened. The average population at Juvenile Hall this month has been 114, a 13.6 percent drop from the 132 in May.
William Siffermann, the head of the Juvenile Probation Department, said that such fluctuations are not unusual and that "this slight reduction cannot be attributed solely or directly" to the decision to turn over immigrant offenders for deportation.
The Juvenile Hall population had been steadily increasing since 2004, the year Newsom took office. That was also the year Juvenile Probation Department officials expressly prohibited staffers from reporting illegal immigrants to federal officials, a ban that the agency had observed for more than a decade.
Advocates for immigrant youths criticized Newsom and Siffermann last year when the Juvenile Hall population hit a 30-year high of 156. Authorities quickly acted to move offenders out of the lockup, including a youth held in a weapons case who was subsequently accused of murder.
Caring for immigrant youths takes up a disproportionate share of Juvenile Probation Department resources, because often they have no local relatives to whom they can be released. Housing youth offenders costs the city an average of $285 a day.
E-mail Jaxon Van Derbeken at jvanderbeken@sfchronicle.com.
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