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OLD news (2014) and debunked many times over!
by zoho 8 y
Dredging up old sludge - This story is certainly muddy!
1) HCG used as a contraceptive has been shown in research that it suppresses ovulation and, in perhaps in rare cases, MAY prevent implantation of the blastocyst - It’s not the main objective.
2) The medical director of one of the labs where the six samples of vaccine were sent revealed that the Catholic organization sent the samples to labs without mention that they were vaccines. The samples were tested as if they were urine or serum samples submitted for HCG pregnancy testing. A different analysis methodology should have ...
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Re: Vaccines are serums?
by zoho 8 y
”Serum” can be a very generic term. But when applied to the differences between a vaccine and human serum, they two are different in pH, protein content, electrolyte content, etc which can all have an effect on the validity of an analytical methodology. You need a science editor - I’ll volunteer!
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Re: Trump takes aim at vaccines, names Robert F. Kennedy ...
by zoho 7 y
BTW - RFK Jr. was NOT asked to chair an official committee on vaccine safety by President Trump.
Statement released by Hope Hicks, White House Director of Strategic Communications:
”The President-elect enjoyed his discussion with Robert Kennedy Jr. on a range of issues and appreciates his thoughts and ideas. The President-elect is exploring the possibility of forming a commission on Autism, which affects so many families; however no decisions have been made at this time. The President-elect looks forward to continuing the discussion about all aspects of Autism with many groups and i ...
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Vaccination Debate
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Re: CFR: Unvaccinated are Healthier than Vaccinated Popul...
by zoho 9 y
Comments...
1) Catherine J. Frompovich is NOT an infectious disease epidemiologist (obviously). Her posting is rife with uneducated personal interpretaion, belief, opinion and erroneous correlations. The ”Figure 25” under age five mortality graph is laughable - The best possible correlation to the data is socio-economic equity and the universal availability of high quality health care in ALL the countries with lower rates that the United States.
2) A 2011 German study similar to the 2004 Roosendaal (635 subjects) study examining vaccinated versus unvaccinated children runs counter ...
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Re: U.S. Media Blackout: Italian Courts Rule Vaccines Cau...
by zoho 9 y
Sure... Italian judges know more about autism than all the medical researchers in the world! Italian courts are notoriously scientifically illiterate - Witness the recent manslaughter convicitions of 6 geological scientists in Italy for failing to predict a 2009 earthquake!
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Re: Navy Proves Flu Shot Causes Flu ???????????
by zoho 9 y
I figured this would show up here!
Read the original study at CDC:
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6342a3.htm?s_cid=mm6342a3_w
Note that 25 (24.5%) out of 102 crew members became ill with flu-like symptoms. Most of them were confirmed as flu with serological testing. That means that 75.5% DID NOT become ill. How can you interpret this as ”worthless”? The close quarters of a small minesweeper like the USS Ardent is the prefect incubator for infectious disease transmission so this was an ideal test of the effectiveness of the flu vaccine. Long term historical statistic ...
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news flash!
by zoho 9 y
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http://www.repubblica.it/salute/medicina/2015/03/01/news/autismo_i_giudici_assolvono_il_vaccino-108441541
On 13 Feb. 2015, a higher Italian court of appeals overturned the 2012 provincial court decision that the MMR vaccine causes autism. They reviewed the original decision acting on an appeal filed by the Italian Ministry of Health. It was highlighted that the lower court’s decision was based on fatally flawed and retracted studies and other recent high quality large scale studies were ignored.
The court concluded: “Studi irrilevanti smentiti dalla comunità scientifica”
Transl ...
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Re: Exposed!
by zoho 9 y
The extremely low level of hCG supposedly found in the vaccines in Africa was low enough to where a competent laboratory scientist could suspect a false positive - It's at the limits of analytical detection! The use of hCG as an injectable contraceptive has been explored since the 1970s but the idea has been largely abandonded due to the variable effectiveness observed - Contraception had variable effectiveness, no tests showed more than about six months contraception and sterility was never observed. Additioally, the level of hCG necessary for any contraceptive ...
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News about this case... It's not the vaccine!
by zoho 9 y
There’s a very recent report out of Mexico of the real cause of this incident:
http://www.jornada.unam.mx/ultimas/2015/05/12/bacteria-causo-reaccion-a-vacunas-en-chiapas-confirma-el-imss-1047.html
The cause of the two deaths and illness in other children was not any type of ”Adverse Reaction” to any vaccine. Bacterial contamination was discovered in the multi-dose vials of vaccine. The children suffered from sepsis (bacterial infection in the blood) which points to either contamination while using a vaccine vial more than once or a break in sterile technique during the manufacturing ...
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Poverty and poor health care!
by zoho 9 y
Infant mortality rates cannot be closely correlated with vaccination rates. Most deaths recorded occur wihin a few day of birth and not from infectious diseases. Most of the deaths occur before any vaccinatons are given. Consider the infant mortality rate in third world African countries versus their vaccination rates! Infant mortality rates have a very high correlation with length of gestation, perinatal complications, poverty levels, maternal health & age, maternal parity and availability of quality health care. Missisippi has about the highest poverty level ...
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Hepatitis B???
by zoho 9 y
The Hepatitis B vaccine is a baby killer? How about looking at some REAL data!
Hep B became a part of the vaccine schedule for children in 1994. Where's the spike in infant mortality? In fact, the infant mortality rate in the USA went DOWN in 1994!
http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.IMRT.IN
USA infant mortality per 1000 births
1985 11
1986 10
1987 10
1988 10
1989 10
1990 9
1991 9
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sources!
by zoho 9 y
Infant mortality rates (IMR) are a multi-faceted issue and the simplistic "too many vaccinations" erroneous correlation doesn't hold water when Bayesian plausibility and Occam's razor is applied to that hypothesis and real large scale data is examined.
Causes definitely correlated to IMR, supported by large scale population analysis:
- living in poverty
- no access to high quality health care facilities
- lack of prenatal care
- Teen mothers
- Diabetic mothers
- Hypertensive mothers
- Preeclamsia
- Smoking mothers
- Drug & alcohol abuse ...
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OMG - www.lowellfacts.com is even better than www.whale.to !
by zoho 13 y
I’m trembling with anticipation! I’ll likely not sleep tonight as I will be surveying a whole new web site of unscientific paranoid conspiracy absurdities organized in an incredible cherry picked manner. So many TRUTHS to discover and I shall know the truth, and the truth shall make me free.
When will we go on a medical missionary trip to deepest darkest Africa? You without your immunizations, of course. Bring along some of those great homeopathic remedies for malaria and HIV too.
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Re: Vaccine causes the Virulent Pertussis Strain
by zoho 12 y
Too many ”natural” remedies with not credible evidence of efficacy employed
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Re: HPV Vaccines' Adverse Events: A VAERS Analysis by San...
by zoho 12 y
Sorry, but the ”You can avoid all illness by boosting your immune system” and ”Anyone who has an illness must have a compromised immune system” mantras are the stuff of anecdotal evidence, urban legends and ”natural healing” culture memes. Strong and healthy people contract and even die from diseases every day. Pathogenic organisms have evolved right along side us over the eons to beat our immune systems, no matter how ”strong” they are.
And, unwarranted ”boosting” of the immune system, even if it was really possible via ”natural” methods, is maybe not a good thing. Boosting could caus ...
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Common sense versus the logic in science
by zoho 13 y
I see ”common sense” as culturally acquired and often infused with norms and memes that are either consciously or unconsciously accepted without question while logic is the application of a learned analytical process, often utilizing mathematical or scientific principles, methods and knowledge, to learn and understand what is unknown.
I would invite you to read Carl Sagan’s works and in particular, ”The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark” which might enlighten you with ways to distinguish between valid science and pseudoscientific dribble. Another insightful book woul ...
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Re: Common sense versus the logic in science
by zoho 13 y
The answer is... There’s no way to know what your ”stones” really are without a scientific analyis. The other thing you really don’t know is if your flushes really do good other than highly subjective observations.
Putting aside the dichotomous yin/yang of common sense & intuition (how I despise the all too often use of those idioms!) versus the application of logic and critical scientific analysis, there’s a larger issue here. It’s the paucity of actual large scale credible evidence beyond anecdotes promulgated by a small and quite obviously co-dependent fringe group that subjecting ...
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Study wrong in so many ways
by zoho 13 y
Attempting to equate the number of vaccinatiions given to the infant mortality rate is wrong on so many levels! It’s an ”apples to oranges” comparison.
* First of all, there is no international standard for enumerating infant mortality rates from country to country. Each country can and does have differing criteria. Some of the many variables:
- Stillbirths counted or not as infant mortality
- Premature live births with subsequent deaths not counted
- Upper age range that defines an ”infant”
- Different definitions of ”Live birth”
* Most of the European countries with lower ...
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Infant immunization in Europe
by zoho 13 y
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To quote others here... ”This will shock you!”
http://www.eurosurveillance.org/ViewArticle.aspx?ArticleId=2586
”Introducing universal hepatitis B vaccination in Europe: differences still remain between countries”
Concerning the reports cited here recently that infant and childhood immunization rates are somehow correlated to the higher infant mortality rates in the United States when compared to certain European countries (post hoc ergo propter hoc)...
Eurosurveillance (Europe’s journal on infectious disease epidemiology, prevention and control) reported about the progress of ...
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Re: Neonatal Deaths After Hepatitis B Vaccine
by zoho 13 y
From the publication YOU reference!
1. Only 18 deaths reported to VAERS post HepB vax in 86 MILLION doses given:
”This review reveals 18 neonatal deaths after HepB vaccine reported to VAERS during an interval in which at least 86 million doses of pediatric HepB vaccine were distributed in the United States (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, unpublished data, 1999).”
2. No way to prove or disprove causation:
”At this time, there is no way to prove or disprove a causal relation between HepB immunization and SIDS...”
3. No increase in neonatal deaths reported post Hep ...
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Re: I passed liver "stones" with coffee enema--oh well sk...
by zoho 13 y
This issue has been talked to death around here for years:
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=61992#i
A thorough scientific analysis would reveal that the ”stones” resulting from a ”liver flush” are produced by a saponification process, composed mostly of the olive oil you’ve ingested and colored by bile present in the intestine. The ”liver flush” acts totally within the intestine and has no effect whatsoever on the liver. Extracting large stones from the liver or gall bladder is impossible without surgical intervention. I have seen dozens of examples of gall bladder stones and n ...
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Not exactly a "Ban"
by zoho 13 y
It’s not exactly a ”Ban”, it’s regulations that just went into effect about the sale of herbal products. The media has really taken the ”Ban” ball and run with it!
This new EU and UK law, which went into effect on May 1st, says that herbal products must be licensed OR prescribed by a licensed herbal practitioner. A licensed product requires presentation of evidence that the product is safe.
I’m not sure why there’s a knee-jerk reaction about this as it’s been on the horizon since 2004 (2005 in the UK)! That’s when the ”Ban” initially went into effect with a 7 year grace period. A ...
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AIDS Support
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Homeopathy
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New Study: Flu Shots in Pregnancy May Help Newborns
by zoho 13 y
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From the American Journal of Obstetrics & Gynecology:
http://www.ajog.org/article/S0002-9378(11)00232-8/fulltext
”Our results indicate that hospitalized infants whose mothers received influenza vaccine during pregnancy were 45-48% less likely to have laboratory-confirmed influenza during their first influenza season compared with infants of unvaccinated mothers.”
”Given that infants less than 6 months of age have the highest hospitalization rate among all children and that the vaccine is not licensed for that age group, these data support that infants born to vaccinated mothers be ...
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Re: New Study: Flu Shots in Pregnancy May Help Newborns
by zoho 13 y
The results are not really as small scale as you portray. The article cites other similar studies:
”Four previously published studies support our conclusions. First, a prospective, observational study among Native Americans from 2002 through 2005 found that infants of vaccinated mothers had a 41% reduction of the risk of laboratory-confirmed influenza infection in the inpatient and outpatient settings as determined by viral culture or antibody titers (relative risk, 0.59; 95% CI, 0.37–0.93).20 A second study, a randomized controlled trial of maternal influenza vaccination during pregna ...
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In the interest of equal time...
by zoho 13 y
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NatureNews, a REAL SCIENCE web site not to be confused with the non-science NaturalNews, has a recently posted a special collection of scholarly pieces concerning vaccinations:
http://www.nature.com/news/specials/vaccines/index.html
”Vaccines are responsible for some of the world’s greatest public health triumphs. In the past decade, vaccines against leading killer diseases have been introduced, and more are on the way. But funding is tight, and unfounded doubts about the safety of vaccines persist. Nature explores the social and scientific challenges facing this key weapon in the tw ...
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Re: Germany’s superbug is has Plague DNA
by zoho 13 y
It’s more likely that the E. coli has DNA sequences in common with the plague bacterium, not that it actually CAME from the plague bacterium.
Oh - I know what you’re aiming at - Attempting to posit that those nasty government scientists hunkered down deep in secret biomedical warfare labs are genetic manufacturing this organism and covertly testing it out on an innocent populous.
Can’t seem to kick the conspiracy habit, can you?
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And...
by zoho 13 y
Theoretical physicists can say what they want but the rubber really meets the road in RCT clinical studies. The scientific plausibility of homeopathy remains VERY much in question and homeopathic apologists continue to be blind to many facts. Well designed and controlled large scale studies continually show that homeopathic remedies perform no better than the placebo control group! Yes, small (usually poorly designed, unblinded and uncontrolled) studies of homeopathy may have shown an inkling of an effect but they always regress to the mean of non-efficacy when corroborating larger stud ...
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Reference to whale.to ??????
by zoho 13 y
I can hardly believe it! For years I’ve frequented the alternate parallel universe of paranoid psychosis that is whale.to - for a good laugh. It CERTAINLY doesn’t have the credibility of Nature publications.
Scopies law: ”In any discussion involving science or medicine, citing Whale.to as a credible source loses you the argument immediately ...and gets you laughed out of the room.”
Sure - I’ll trot right over there to whale.to and learn all about what ”THEY” don’t want us to know:
- The reptilian shadow government
- The Illuminati’s and Bill Gates’ world domination schemes
- ...
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"Homeopathic" Cold-Eeze
by zoho 13 y
That’s the problem, you have to ”believe” homeopathy works. But Cold-Eeze just might work - and not because it’s ”homeopathic”.
Cold-Eeze and its cousin Zircam are labeled as ”homeopathic” but they only have the very smallest association with homeopathy in comparison with classic Hahnemann homeopathic principles. The dilutions of the zinc gluconate and/or zinc acetate are only 2x (diluted 1/100) or even 1x (diluted 1/10) where the vast majority of homeopathic remedies are in the range of 60C to 200C dilutions. Yes, I would agree that Cold-Eeze and Zircam are diluted, just like other ...
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Re: Gates trying to build a stairway to Heaven?
by zoho 13 y
Most of the childhood immunizations are for respiratory communicable diseases - pneumococcal & meningococcal pneumonia, measles, mumps, rubella, haemophilus influenzae type B, rotavirus, pertussis, varicella, and a couple of types of influenza. Lack of clean water and nutrition are not significant contributing factors with these diseases as the specific bacterium and viruses are not waterborne. Only polio, hepatitis and a couple of viruses causing common colds have water as a potential infective source. Typhoid vaccinations are not usually a childhood vaccination except in endemic areas ...
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Formaldehyde
by zoho 13 y
Formaldehyde is produced daily as a metabolic byproduct in biochemical processes within our bodies at levels above the miniscule amounts that might be found in a vaccine. Every day we’re exposed to both natural and industrial formaldehyde in the air we breath, expecially indoors. It’s found in many common items that are around our homes like plastics, paints and glues used in building materials.
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Answers: 9 Questions That Stump Every Pro-Vaccine Advocate
by zoho 13 y
Nobody is stumped. These 9 questions contain many misinformed presumptions, I’ve seen them cut/pasted into a number of forums for a couple of years. I do fully understand that you may not be able to discern the problems within these questions.
#1. What to ask: Could you please provide one double-blind, placebo-controlled study that can prove the safety and effectiveness of vaccines?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez/20211953
Time precludes my providing hundreds of other studies out of PubMed and other archival resources of published research. It’s really a pity t ...
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Re: 6 Cubed's folly
by zoho 13 y
In the American folkloric fable of Uncle Remus, Br’er Rabbit encounters the Tar Baby which is a lump of tar dressed up by Br’er Fox to fool and infuriate Br’er Rabbit. The rabbit attempts to engage the Tar Baby, the Tar Baby has nothing to say, Br’er Rabbit reacts and is soon mired in the tar.
6 Cubed - You’ve flitted and skirted the Curezone forums for a long time with just your needling nerdly comments and now, finally, have been sucked into the tar of high school debate club and their twisting of words games! They likely feel they have won some sort of “debate.” The CZ natives do ...
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Hveragerthi!
by zoho 13 y
You seem to have an uncommonly broad acumen of knowledge and understanding in the realm of human anatomy and physiology in comparison to the usual Curezone crowd! Unlike others who have complained about their hurt feelings and such, I don’t perceive of your posts as anything but enlightenment of the masses and carrying the torch of knowledge and reason against a certain darkness of ignorance and misinterpretation of basic science.
Are you ever in the Seattle area? I’d love to share an evening with you at a table in a local pub... Even though I know I know I won’t agree completely with ...
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Re: Vaccines Are Dangerous -- The Government Says So?
by zoho 13 y
INCROYABLE!!! The government has never denied that risks and side effects exist, read a VIS document! Again, you’ve cherry picked certain parts of a news story for your best fear tactics effect, here’s the entire AP story:
Begin Quote ***********************
Report: Vaccines generally safe, some side effects
Vaccines can cause certain side effects but serious ones appear very rare - and there’s no link with autism and Type 1 diabetes, the Institute of Medicine says in the first comprehensive safety review in 17 years.
By LAURAN NEERGAARD
AP Medical Writer
WASHINGTON —
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"Shoot IOM, the Messenger"?
by zoho 13 y
I’ve finally found time to read a good portion of the actual study by the IOM and I am familiar with some of the references. Instead of parroting word for word the predictable naturalnews ad hominem attack on the Institute of Medicine, why not examine each of the 1000 or so studies analyzed by the IOM for ”content”? Find and present here specifically where their analysis is flawed! Assemble your own committee of independent academic, medical and scientific experts and report back soon. Or would a random committee selected off the street be more to your liking?
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A question...
by zoho 13 y
Perhaps others can answer this:
Reviewing the naturalnews missive as posted earlier, it strikes me as odd that there was no deference given in the naturalnews content to the fact that the Institute of Medicine is very much in bed with the Bravewell Collaborative, the self proclaimed leader of ”Integrative Medicine”. It is a mega-million dollar funded organization who supports integrative medicine centers all over the nation and espouses ”evidence-based” medicine over ”science-based” medicine. A recent summit was held to promote the integrative objectives of both organizations:
http ...
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Re: Scientific superiority fallacy.
by zoho 13 y
As I’ve noted before, science is not just knowledge, it’s a methodology to better understand the world. Where that fuller understanding takes humankind is not the fault of science itself.
For those of you who may have difficulty grasping the significance of applying the “Scientific Method” to evaluating whether studies quoted here are valid or trash, a couple of primers:
http://www.scientificmethod.com/sm3_whatissm.html
http://www.visionlearning.com/process_science.php
If those are too hard for you to understand, this is a simpler web site:
http://www.sciencebuddies.org/sci ...
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That "T" word again!
by zoho 13 y
I’ve oft heard here this concept of ”TRUTH” coupled with rejection of any knowledge provided by large scale scientific and medical related investigations and analyses.
Unwavering allegiance to a certain ”Truth” has it’s roots in medieval “Premodernism”. It goes back to the authoritarian religious precepts of revelations of a God as ”Ultimate Truths” which was to be unconditionally accepted and definitely not to be challenged, often on pain of death!
Of course, this period was followed by the intellectual awakening of the Enlightenment where the rejection of religious authoritarianis ...
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The IOM study...
by zoho 13 y
You might be surprised to hear that I am not really a big fan of the IOM and a great portion of the scientific and medical community isn’t either. This organization of MDs dances precariously on the fence between the three ring circus that is “Alt/CAM/Integrative” medicine and “western reductionist allopathic” (AKA scientific proven to be efficacious) medicine. I am not sure how any MD can ethically and perhaps even legally provide treatments based on the best possible evidence available when using an Alt/Cam/IM nostrum or treatment. How does a provider properly give informed consent wi ...
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