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Re: Google attempting to suppress alternatives?
by parazapper 7 y
The suppression continues.
Previously, when people searched for zapper, in the suggested alternatives, hulda clark zapper and parasite zapper were listed. Now, the only suggestions are:
Searches related to zapper
zapper payroll
zapper game
zapper augmented reality
zapper meaning
zapper définition
zapper software
zapper.co.uk net worth
zapper wiki
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Forum: Zapper Support
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Dr. Beck
Hulda Clark
Rife
Cancer
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Experts only please!
by #69656 18 y
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I am looking for an evaluation or comparision of these zappers:
The Harmonic Quad zapper with reflective blanket,
the one on Ebay listed as ”Dr. Clark’s doesn’t work this good”,
C-TronixHealth New Target Zapper 2006 with Syncrometer function (also listed on Ebay right now)
and the Ultimate Zapper. I don’t know if these are powerful enough to do the job or if I should just go straight to a rife. Currently have a zapperplans zapper and a mini Terminator II. They help but not the whole answer.
Thank you, I really appreciate your input.
Here are the Ebay links:
http://cgi.eb ...
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Forum: Zapper Support
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THE BEST ZAPPER PLANS FREE HERE plus FREE movie teaching ...
R by vtool 18 y
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DON’t WASTE $10! Learn how to BUILD YOUR OWN ZAPPER, and WATCH THE FREE ONLINE MOVIE CLIPS THAT SHOW YOU HOW, every step of the way ALL FOR FREE!!!! RIGHT HERE:
http://www.clarkzapper.net/
It is kind of a waste of $10 when the plans of Dr. Clark’s latest zapper, complete with the latest circuit that she recommends is all given RIGHT HERE for FREE in the Zapper Images Forum - not to mention you can buy Dr. HULDA CLARK’s NEWEST BOOKS USED at AMAZON for like $10-$12, or simply ask for an interlibrary loan, or see her SYNCROMETER manual for FREE here - http://www.drloyd.com/syncrometer.p ...
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Forum: Zapper Support
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Re: A WASTE OF $10 !!! my $10 zapper results after a day
by vtool 18 y
It is kind of a waste of $10 when the plans of Dr. Clark’s latest zapper, complete with the latest circuit that she recommends is all given RIGHT HERE for FREE in the Zapper Images Forum - not to mention you can buy Dr. HULDA CLARK’s NEWEST BOOKS USED at AMAZON for like $10-$12, or simply ask for an interlibrary loan, or see her SYNCROMETER manual for FREE here - http://www.drloyd.com/syncrometer.pdf
FREE VIDEO CLIPS TEACHING YOU STEP BY STEP HOW TO BUILD YOUR OWN ZAPPER at http://www.clarkzapper.net/ This is just a SUPER great site! IT ALS ...
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Forum: Zapper Support
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Google attempting to suppress alternatives?
by parazapper 8 y
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I have noted in particular that one item that is popular among those who use alternatives is the Hulda Clark zapper, also known as a zapper. When searching for this item, the word zapper is often entered and there would be a mixture of many different zappers, including bug zappers, WII zapper, and parasite zappers. However, Google has recently almost completely excluded Hulda Clark Zappers and Parasite Zappers from this search as well as other parasite zappers. There may randomly be only one or two on the first search page ( other than paid ads ) and no mention of eother Hulda Clark Zapper ...
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Forum: Zapper Support
Ask CureZone
Dr. Beck
Hulda Clark
Rife
Cancer
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Could somebody with a traind eye take a look and comment:
by monique_1 17 y
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zapper:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ORIGINAL-XTREME-TRIPLE-Freq-Parasite-Zapper-Hulda-Clark_W...
Rife:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280114440721&ssPageName=ME...
and:
Harmonic Quad Zapper, and you use a aluminium blanket with it. 2 guys at the Zapper Forum recomeds it, but there are no foot plates.
There is book and a Dr behind this:
http://www.webdeb.com/order-zapper.htm
http://www.webdeb.com/zapper/
http://webdeb.com/zapper/reflective-blanket.htm
Comments, please comment!
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Forum: Zapper Support
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Re: I just got the zapper but
by freelastchance 18 y
It sounds like the $10 Zapper. :) That’s the one I have! It’s all there. The copper wires need to be clipped on like in this picture of mine, and you will need a battery -
The copper wires are rings for your fingers. (You should put one on each hand) like getwisdoms picture here
To turn it off, simply unplug one side of the terminal from the battery. To Zap, wear it for 7 minutes, take it off for 20 minutes, wear it for 7 minutes, take it off for 20 more minutes, and wear it for a final 7 minutes.
I hope this helps!
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Forum: Zapper Support
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Re: $10 Zapper
by wavy4jc 18 y
I have a question. I have seen ads for zappers from $89 to several hundred dollars. My question is about the $10 zapper. Generally, you get what you pay for. For the price, it would seem that this zapper is inferior to the other higher priced zappers...or...it is made from inferior materials. To buy the zapper kit from Radio Shack cost nearly $27.
How can this company make the zapper so chaep and still make money??
I would be interested in the board’s comments to the $10 zapper’s effectiveness.
Also, another short question....do you have to use the zapper to do the herbal ...
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Forum: Zapper Support
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Look at this zapper folks!
by monique_1 17 y
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Harmonic Quad Zapper, and you use a aluminium blanket with it. 2 guys at the zapper forum recomeds it, but there are no foot plates.
There is book and a Dr behind this:
http://www.webdeb.com/order-zapper.htm
http://www.webdeb.com/zapper/
http://webdeb.com/zapper/reflective-blanket.htm
Im confused.
Newport, thoughts?
Or anyone else?
I want to hear more zapper experiences from all you zappers! I never hear about any zapping in anyones protocol here.
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Forum: Parasites Support
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Re: UZ and spasms - question.
by Ken Presner 17 y
Hello,
Without a stabilized wave any device calling itself a zapper is not a true zapper. The Ultimate Zapper is the only true zapper available, with the exception of David Amrein’s Super Zapper 2006 DeLuxe which is marketed as a frequency generator, not a as a zapper.
The higher constant voltage of The Ultimate Zapper adds to its ability to penetrate deeper into tissues. The fact that its voltage remains constant at 10.5 volts and never declines is a tremendous plus. It has 8 additional features that make it far superior to any other zapper available.
There are over 80 testimonia ...
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Forum: Zapper Support
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Zapper schematic collection
by #76035 16 y
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http://zappers.narod.ru
We saw a lot of discussions about which zapper to buy, which one is superior to another, etc. What we start to forget is, that all the zappers are inherited (even not as a schematic) from Clark’s original and that zapper was supposed to be DIY device.
For many people buying a zapper is the only option, but for some DIY enthusiasts building a zapper could be more interesting than using it.
Here I found a collection of good designs of zappers:
http://zappers.narod.ru
Enjoy :)
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Forum: Zapper Support
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Which one of these zappers should I buy?
by HelpMe0 16 y
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http://cgi.ebay.com/DUAL-Frequency-Parasite-Zapper-Dr-Hulda-Clark_W0QQitemZ280170995908QQihZ018QQcategoryZ1279QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742.m153.l1262
http://cgi.ebay.com/TRIPLE-Frequency-Parasite-Zapper-Dr-Hulda-Clark_W0QQitemZ280170995293QQihZ018QQcategoryZ1279QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742.m153.l1262
http://cgi.ebay.com/XTREME-Triple-Freq-Parasite-Zapper-Hulda-Clark_W0QQitemZ280170993970QQihZ018QQcategoryZ1279QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742.m153.l1262
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Forum: Zapper Support
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Re: the latest design??? zapperplans.com is free too
by vtool 18 y
Is it Dr. Clark’s LATEST DESIGN? - ? thanks for the clarification, but -
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Forum: Zapper Support
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Ok tell me the best,strongest zapper in the world..
by jay choi 19 y
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i am gonna by a zapper for these scabies mites...and i want a powerfull ,effective
one...i hear that the ultimate zapper are the stongest...? am i right??
thank you the one who relpyed my posting...and you recommended me the 10$ zapper
but i think cheeper products are less effective...i dont know anything about zappers.. am i right?? please tell me what kind of zapper is the most powerfull
zapper which kills tiny mites on you body..
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Forum: Zapper Support
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Re: zapper vs electronic muscle stimulators
by ParaZapper 18 y
See zapper FAQ for a general description of the zapper and theories behind it.
Probably the most important differences between the zapper and TENS units are the positive offset squarewave and the applied frequencies.
You might also view zapper information for sdditional pages on using the zapper.
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Forum: Zapper Debate
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Re: Skin Parasite
by #60704 12 y
Mebendazole
man that stuff is really toxic and should only betaken a couple of times. It causes cancer in rats.
Get a multiple frequency zapper and try one and see if it works.
like a Maestor-zapper MZ3c. get a rife frequenscy list and start zapping.
http://www.maestro-zapper.com/maestro-zapper-e-mz3-specs.html
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Forum: Parasites: Skin
Lyme ("Lime")
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current controle zapper
by winnie100 11 y
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http://www.maestro-zapper.com/maestro-zapper-e-mz3.html
parazapper,if you see this message could you answer me this question please.this zapper the mz3c from maestro - zappers,link above has a current controle from 1.5ma,to 7.5ma.
does your CCa zapper with the current controle have the same,or different ma,could you tell me yours from low to high levels.thanks again...winnie100.
ps ,also could you tell me about your zapper and the optional super stabilized output,i thought that was against hulda clarks protocol??.do your zappers have this?bye for now.
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Re: Prostate help
by MZap 14 y
this is about … … a prostate infection.
Don’t have to answer me. Only to think about how true this could be… or not. Get ”official” medical advice?
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Forum: Zapper Support
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Re: Silver Terminator II style zapper small review
by Orgonise-Africa 20 y
You will see that if you order our silver zapper El Silverado (or the most recent adition, the gold zapper ELDORADO) today, the production quality has greatly improved. That is only natural as product lines need a certain time to mature.
As far as I know we are the only ones who make an orgone enhanced zapper with precious metal electrodes.
Georg
Our new gold Zapper ELDORADO below: ©†ƒ……•™¼‡_Original_Message_¾€š½ž¢«»¬ï°©
You will see that if you order our silver zapper El Silverado (or the most recent adition, the gold zapper ELDORADO) today, the production quality has greatly impr ...
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Re: Build your own zapper
by freelastchance 19 y
Hey hopinso!
*blush* I am flattered. :) Thanks! I do LOVE my ZP Zapper and it may be simple, but it’s all around easier that way (including cost) and it works! (that’s the best part) - zodiaclady05, if you are interested in building it, they do publish the free schematic, and while radio shack does not carry some of the parts any more, you can get them online or at other electronics-parts stores. I know Radio Shack doesn’t carry the CD4069 any more, but you may be able to call them and see if they can order them in special. (I’ve had them order in other things for me)
I put the pictu ...
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Forum: Parasites Support
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Re: PLATE ZAPPER - ALSO THIS - Can Zapping Heal Ulcerativ...
by vtool 18 y
Here’s a start:
http://www.platezapping.com http://www.platezapper.com http://www.syncrometer.com please watch the video at the last clip.
should show you how to make your own plate zap set up, as well as example of the microscopic slide tissue samples, which you can make on your own too, by sampling cow liver (fresh) etc.
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Forum: Zapper Support
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Re: $10 Zapper
by ParaZapper 18 y
- It is the only zapper I reccommend!
Looking back, I believe that it is the only zapper that you have ever tried.
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Re: Utimatte Zapper vs. Gamma Zapper.
by ParaZapper 16 y
Ken Presner posted the following on his site in regards to your post:
”The Ultimate Zapper’s single low frequency produces the fastest results of any zapper. An informal zapper study on the curezone.com health forum with The Ultimate Zapper, ParaZapper, Super Deluxe and Gamma Zapper shows 1 hour with The Ultimate Zapper = 4 hours with ParaZapper. The maker of ParaZapper graciously conceded The Ultimate Zapper ”may be the most powerful single frequency zapper” available.”
He failed to mention that the ParaZapper used was an outdated version of the cheapest model made by ParaZapper. ...
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Rules Clarification
by Ken Presner 16 y
Hello forum readers,
I have noted recent comments on this forum about the rules and regulations. It has been noted recently by a forum poster that I have an agenda. This is correct. My agenda is to point out that the rules and regulations are not enforced equally on the forum for all participants. You may remember that the first posting I made on this forum was to defend my zapper. It was in response to a zapper maker who made negative, argumentative and untruthful, comments about The Ultimate Zapper - “pathetic clips and cheap-looking footpads”, saying that he was merely quoting anothe ...
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Re: Off topic - shielding?
by eksangha 18 y
Why I said its the best of the best, beside frequency accuracy.
Well, let say, frequency 15Hz work good in killing pathogens in my body. If I were to use this same frequency on you, it maybe not working. Thats why I hear time after time people did not get the result with their zapper.
Your body maybe work well with frequency 30,000Hz. Well, are you going to buy another zapper for that frequency? If this is the case, you probably end up buying every zapper in the market that fit your body type. Not to mention money wise.
Just trying to find the right one give you a big headac ...
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Re: Newbie Zapper Frequency Confusion
by MZap 15 y
“I think this should have your head scratching for a while.”
Good choice. Good zapping
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Re: New Pure Brainwave technology
by MZap 15 y
AND
= Using Very Low Frequencies (VLF) to give healing messages to the brain (Lowering stress, learning faster, sleeping better, producing more “healing hormones”, and much, much more.
Even more interesting, at least one device called DS5 (Deep_Sleep_5), is using this “isochronic entrainment” to suggest to the brain : “it’s time to sleep, it’s time to sleep deeply, …”, using high pitch frequencies, as 1000Hz (the one used for the zappicator) or 111Hz, used by some Bob Beck’s devices, to stimulate the production of beta-endorphins (pain killer), and Very Low Frequencies, from around 10 ...
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Zapper Support
ADD/ADHD
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Re: Looking for zapper/rife help
by parazapper 6 y
It is a very confusing world when it comes to electrotherapy for many different things and sadly, there is a bit of misleading information or even just plain wrong information.
There are a wide range of each type of product, for example, zappers range from the simple ones that produce a single base frequency with harmonics such as the Hulda Clark Zapper, the Ultimate Zapper, Don Croft Terminator, and the Beck Zapper. These are the bottom of the barrel due to their lack of accuracy and having only a single frequency. Other limitations may exist too.
The next step up is dual frequency ...
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Hulda Clark Debate
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Re: If a zapper were the current of an electro shock trea...
by parazapper 8 y
While I agree that it is something to consider before sleeping with a zapper, I will say that from what I have seen, it is far less of a problem that you describe.
My mother used a zapper for years and she did die of heart related problems that existed before she ever used a zapper.
Since she outlived the average by 15 years, did the zapper help or hurt?
My dad also used the zapper but only outlived the average by 8 years. His death came from developing pneumonia while in the hospital where he was not able to use the zapper.
I can assure you that if someone died during the use ...
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Forum: Parasites Debate
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Re: super sweep function zapper 3
by parazapper 11 y
I am a manufacturer of zappers and have been since 2000. After having designed and tried many types of zappers, I find that the sweep zappers do not do as well as expected.
The reason is that they do not maintain any one frequency long enough to be truly effective.
We provide a lot of information about zappers and zapping at zapper from paradevices.com where the only thing sold is a booklet about ”Parasite Zapping and the Zapper” which explains many aspects of zapping and zappers, what to do, what not to do, how to get the best results, etc.
We also have several models of qualit ...
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Re: Does the parazapper work? Think I have parasites and ...
by parazapper 11 y
- Not knowing ever you were infected with strongylodies.
This is not what I say. What I say is that you do not know because you have not tried.
If all zappers were the same, then I would not be spending my time researching, designing, developing, manufacturing, and selling the ones that I do.
Each ParaZapper model is distinctly different from anything else out there except the basic ParaZapper STD for $58 .
When I can zap pond water and achieve basically a very close to 100 percent microbial kill rate in just two 1-hour zappings, I have something that no other zapper can clai ...
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Questioning & Criticizing
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Re: Best Zappers? Ultimate vs. Harmonic Quad vs. M7 Bio-E...
by parazapper 15 y
- only if you are convinced it is working
This can be good advice if a person does not have serious issues and if they do not need fast results.
I have seen time and again where cheap zappers will beat colds and flu but fail in worse situations.
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Re: Another Zapper Newbie Confused!
by MZap 15 y
Hello, #118621
You have many good zappers out-there.
Check for compliance to Dr Clark recommendations, and for a well made zapper.
Everything else resumes to how much you are ready to pay for the extras every manufacturer will offer you, and how much you are ready to pay for the kind of comfort you need.
Please, read this link.
http://curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=1444970
and take-it as a check list when you visit a zapper’s site.
Ask questions when needed.
The more you will know about zappers before buying one, the better your zapper will suit your needs, and the happier yo ...
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Acne
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zapper, which one(s)work? and are there any that work exc...
by UTOH 14 y
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ARE ANY OF THESE TYPE ZAPPERS WHAT I AM LOOKING TO USE LONG TERM?
Zappers (Dr. Clark)
Z4eX EXTREME 3 Frequency Hulda Clark Zapper with Copper Handles
$64.99
Z4eX EXTREME 3 Frequency Hulda Clark Zapper with Handles and Wriststraps
$76.99
Z4eX EXTREME 3 Frequency Hulda Clark Zapper with Wriststraps
$67.99
Mini Zapper - Hulda Clark - Hi Quality with Copper Handles
$34.99
THE ULTIMATE ZAPPER WITH HANDLES NEW MODEL SE and AC/DC Adapter
$189.95
ALL I KNOW ABOUT ZAPPERS IS THAT THERE ARE ...
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$10 Zapper
by bkrisp 18 y
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Okay, I just got my $10 zapper and I ran to the store to get a 9V battery and a copper pipe. Just want to make sure I’m doing this right so I drew a 5-yr-old’s diagram of it’s assembly lol (I don’t have a digital camera), so can anyone tell me if this is how to use the zapper with the copper pipe.
I took the two copper rings and put them at the end of the copper pipe and then connected the oppositely charged clips at each end.
So then I just hold the copper pipe for each 7/21 minutes, alternating between hands (?).
Please let me know if this is the right way :P
Thanx,
Bkrisp
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Forum: Zapper Support
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Re: e l d o r a d o
by LightWorkerUK 19 y
I got two zappers from orgonise Africa. Because i have had great difficultly getting a REAL don croft zapper in the UK.
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I got two zappers from orgonise Africa. Because i have had great difficultly getting a REAL don croft zapper in the UK. IMHO the zappers on that site aren’t as well made as a don croft zapper. The workmanship in the zapper seems shoddy to me. Their cheap copy’s of the original. I’ve had no health benefits from wearing their zappers. Get a genuine Don Croft Terminator 2. But i could be wrong. Just my opinion.
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Re: $10 zapper, Big Con or Life saver? Help please!
by freelastchance 19 y
Ok, I already replied to this in the Zapper Support Forum with my testimony- I just wanted to add something here!
About low powered Zappers. Regarding Dr Clark’s research (which you may be familier with) here is a qoute from her book which seems to go for all Zappers -
”Subsequent testing showed it was not due to some unique design, or special wave form produced by the device. It was due to battery operation! Any positively offset [DC] frequency kills all bacteria, viruses and parasites simultaneously given sufficient voltage (5 to 10 volts), duration (seven minutes), and frequency ( ...
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Forum: Parasites Support
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Re: help!, i want a zapper
by ayn 18 y
i’ve had three. i’m still unsure which is best- all of them worked well-
the clark zapper seemed the least effective.
the ’auto-zap’ that i got works well. here are two websites, one from which i bought mine (i do not want you to think i am advertising- i do not have any interest in any health company- i am fairly new to this)
http://thebreathoflife.net/zapper/index.html
http://www.bestzapper.com/
i also have one from ultimatezapper.com (the ultimate zapper)- it FEELS the strongest- and i’ve had worms migrate to the surface of my skin underneath the zapper! but it works ...
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Forum: Parasites Support
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Re: HELP feeling delicate from fami!! Food intolerances, ...
by north 18 y
I got rid of hypoglycemia (low blood sugar) by using a zapper - sounds impossible but I think I must have had some kind of parasite that the zapper got rid of that was causing the problem. I had tried EVERY supplement every heard of to deal with the hypo, and the low-carb special very hard diet, to no avail, before using the zapper. No particular brand of zapper, just a simple thing - not the fancy models. See the zapper forum if you don’t know what a zapper is.
It did NOT get rid of my food allergies, but low blood sugar it did. Now I just zap once a week or so, or if I forgot to d ...
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Re: Zapperplans Orders Received
by zapperplans.com 20 y
Just noticed some of these good folks (perhaps all!?) reported receiving their Zappers in different threads on CureZone. I know every one of them received their Zappers (among hundreds of other Zappers shipped in that same time period). These actually represent that fraction of one percent, ”vocal minority”, who so often seem to get upset over having to ”wait their turn” (they seem to have simply/inadvertently ”skipped” that part whenever they checked out our Zapper building ministry at Zapperplans.com). God bless them anyway and I hope their Zappers help them in their daily living.
Sin ...
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