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Processed soy is no good by kj 21 y View Entire Thread 5
You need to eat fermented soy. Soy milk,soy cheese,tofu, etc is loaded with phytates and enzyme inhibitors. I guess if you soaked soy nuts it would be ok...but not 100% sure on that! If anyone cares to challenge this, I dare you to do some research to back it up, as I have done plenty of my own!!;) And I know people are touchy about their soy.. Try miso, or other fermented soy products like they eat in Asia. I dont think they drink Silk soy milk in China. kj.. 8,122 hits
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Re: Soy/tofu? by plzchuckle 16 y
I’m not MH, BUT ... processed foods are processed foods. I’m opting to NOT drink soy milk, can’t see a natural thing about it .... tofu, same thing ... soy hamber meat, same thing. I DO use tamari, fermented soy sauce with no wheat. I DO use MHs Liver Cleanse that is liquid soy lecithin, evoo and herbs. I have opinions on alot of the bad press that soy gets also: Vegetarian, and some vegans are trying to replace meat and dairy with soy and are eating way to much of it. Probably in moderation, it would be ok if not GMO soy. 1,010 hits
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Re: soy info by San2006 17 y
I still cant beleive how ppl have been brain washed by anti-soy propaganda... Organic/NON GMO SOY is HEALTHY. Make your own soy milk from organic soy beans and you are good to go. I eat lots of almonds (love them) I eat lots of home-made organic yogurt ( love it) And I am planning to start consuming organic SOY as well. Every thing is balance. Soy milk contains nutrients which cow’s milk does not and vice-versa. Soy has anti-cancer properties...It is good stuff... 2,340 hits
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Re: soy - The Ploy of Soy by AustinM 18 y
”The Ploy of Soy” is a great book to get your hands on - to really understand the health implications of using Soy. Soy was used mostly as a green ferterlizer to be plowed back into the land. Fully fermented soy products like miso, natto, tempeh are probably OK. Edame - not sure if this is really good or not. When buying soya sauce be sure it is fully brewed type. Cheep soya sauces are not brewed and are probably made with Epsom Salt. Tofu - made with plaster of paris or epsom salt - Would you eat that? Soy Milk - Stay away from this. Black Beans - in chinese foods this usually ... 1,672 hits 1 of 1 (100%)
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Re: Soy info. Doesen't look good to me? by magic_glitter 18 y
Hi Dennis! I too am confused about soy. Mercola (www.mercola.com) basically says soy is one of the evils of the world, unless it’s properly fermented (ie. miso). My naturopath says any soy (even the processed soy ”meat” like hotdogs and hamburgers) is okay so long as it’s organic and not from GM soybeans. My sister has hypothyroid disease and was told by her doctor she cannot eat soy because it’s bad for the thyroid. She was also raised on infant soy formula because she couldn’t tolerate milk (I wasn’t raised on soy like she was, and have had no problems - is this connected?) 1,324 hits 2 of 2 (100%)
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Re: soy by SqueakyClean 18 y
I can only speak on what I’ve observed. I have been to China, spent a month traveling in different parts. I never saw much soy. Soy sauce is obviously popular but because it is so strong, you don’t end up eating a lot at a time. My sister lived in China for a year, I could ask her about her observations regarding soy. I lived in Singapore for 4 years. Soy products were the random side dish for the most part, not at every meal. They liked freshly made soy milk as a drink but it wasn’t by any means the only thing they drank, they also have tons of fresh juices as well as traditional coffe ... 1,470 hits 1 of 1 (100%)
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silk soy milk and other soy products by pjc 15 y View Entire Thread 3
Wow I am still digesting the information in that post about silk soy milk and soy products. 2 years ago I eliminated dairy and meat from my diet and in the past year gluten (I already eliminated sugar) this along with acupuncture has allowed me to get rid of all the allergy and asthma medication . thinking i was doing a good thing i added soy products tofu, soy milk , soy based cheese etc, since that time i have gradually put on about 15 lbs of the 100 i lost on a high protien diet well needless to say after reading that article it maybe the soy that is contributing to that weight gain ... 3,751 hits
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Lecithin/soy...Re: What is Lecithin Granules? R by unyquity 15 y
Tierra, We have a lot of information (negative) on soy, that Dr. Schulze & Dr. Christopher never had. Before you ingest soy on a regular basis (ESPECIALLY unfermented soy), please make SURE and read this: http://www.thedoctorwithin.com/soy/Magic-Bean.php Under NO circumstances (NONE!) should one EVER ingest GM soy...and if it’s not certified organic it genetically mutated. :( :( :( Soy Lecithin, indeed, is beneficial to the liver...but there are many healthier ways to get it. Dr. Christopher recommended wheat germ oil daily on his IP & the Mucusless diet (it is extremely high ... 4,032 hits
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Re: dark circles cure? by BalancedStep 15 y
It all depends, doesn’t it? We even see lots of issues in horses that consume soy products. Could it be because it is GMO soy? Maybe, but I also know of 2 horses (one male one female)that are chronically laminitic (hoof inflammation) on an organic soy feed product and I know for certain that one of them improved each time the product was removed from the diet! The other owner never tried. Fermented soy is also generally much safer to consume that straight and soy is high in phytoesytrogens that can interfere with one’s own hormones..... Personally, with my thyroid condition and soy i ... 6,315 hits
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Re: also, ditch the soy by wombat 16 y
FERMENTED soy, such as miso and tempeh, is good, in small amounts. All other forms? Negatory. And weightlifter/bodybuilder types are known to ingest protein drinks/smoothies/bars, cet. Soy protein isolate, anyone? SOY SUPPRESSES THYROID FUNCTION. Cutting soy out of your diet will have a huge impact, I suspect:) a search of ”soy” in this forum: http://curezone.com/forums/search.asp?q=soy&action=Find&f=815 if this does not apply, disregard... 9,731 hits
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FDA approves vitamin D fortification of soy foods by chrisb1 15 y
Albeit the wrong version of the Vitamin (D2)..............and should be D3 of course, and even then at a paltry low dosage!!! The US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has amended its food additive regulations to allow for soy-based foods and drinks to be fortified with vitamin D. The final rule, published today in the Federal Register, follows a petition filed in 2007 by US food group Dean Foods. To access the rule, click here . The amendment to the food additive regulations in part 172 (21 CFR part 172) Food Additives Permitted for Direct Addition to Food for Human Consumption a ... 752 hits 1 of 2 (50%)
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Re: Soy!! by MH 108 15 y
MH, HAY Just wandering how you felt about soy.....soy that is that’s not genetically modified or processed, etc? NOTHING I EVER LIKED THE TASTE OF... Can it have bad effects hormonally on children? NO CLUE That’s one of the things I have others say about it. I LOVE soy lecithin and take it daily! THAT IS NOT SOY, BUT THE FAT OF THE SOYBEAN. So what about soy nuts, soy products, etc? Is soy safe for kids too? SOYBEAN NUTS ROASTED PROBABLY ONLY HAVE TASTE BECAUSE OF THE SALT OR OIL, OTHERWISE NOTHING TOO TASTY ABOUT A SOYBEAN. ONE OF THE BETTER HERBALIST IN USA HISTORY WA ... 1,701 hits 1 of 1 (100%)
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Re: Asian soy consumption is healthy, claims report by VX 14 y
In Asia, they use small amounts of fermented soy, a process which takes several months to perform. In North America, when our big companies make soya milk and other soy products, we don’t do this and it makes soy a very unhealthy food. You can’t really compare North American soy products to the Asian ones. You also can’t really compare Asian use of soy (2 teaspoons a day I think you cited) to the way North Americans want to eat it. Also, the study that compares Asian women to European and US women is flawed, it’s a stretch to think that their lower rate of breast cancer is attributed ... 2,668 hits
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Prisoners fed high soy diet ; develop serious health prob... by Ruffneck 15 y View First 20 Messages of 37
NO-ONE , not even prisoners deserves to be fed a diet consisting mainly of soy proteins and flours. Why no mention of this in mainstream news? are they frightened of damaging the massive soy lobby and proving the soy health nuts wrong? http://www.wnd.com/index.php/index.php?pageId=111508 A group of Illinois prison inmates suing over their mandated high-soy content diet are seeking court intervention even before the case goes to trial to halt the ”retaliation” they are facing from prison officials. ”The tactics of Illinois prison personnel put the lives of the plaintiffs in danger ... 6,935 hits 1 of 2 (50%)
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Re: Soy Intake May Modify Risk of Breast Cancer by wombat 15 y
Yes I’m old enough to remember that movie:) At the time the thought that people would be eating engineered foods as a mainstay of the diet was ridiculous, now it’s come true. I remember when the notion of buying bottled water was ridiculous as well... I’m not arguing with you, BTW. Just want back-up on the TYPE of soy consumed: ”As long as the soy is cooked or fermented then the goitergenic activity is inactivated. I don’t know of any commercial soy product that is not fermented or subjected to sufficient heat to inactivate the goitergens.” Thank you. ok. What about the ... 1,921 hits
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Re: Regarding soy - Oy! by wadeboggs 14 y
To Dquixote1217, regarding soy. Wow, I never see a mention of soy anywhere, without a small army of alarmists quoting from websites about the ”soy conspiracy”. Must say, that when I read mainstream books from respected doctors and scientists, there is a good, balanced discussion of the pros and cons of soy...with the clear advantage on the positive side. I started using it because of testimonials from other prostate cancer victims. And it worked for me, extraordinarily well. I don’t take soy powder, but I make a breakfast shake every morning with LOTS of tofu, and soy milk. Frankly, ... 8,358 hits
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1 more question for HV regarding soy lecithin/detox by FL77 14 y View Entire Thread 4
A few weeks back, I started taking Soy Lecithin, 900 mg capsules, and after about 5 days I started having fatigue/anxiety,trouble sleeping, almost allergic type feelings, (no skin breakouts or Anything) ...It was very similar to candida flare up & die-off feelings that I get.. I thought maybe I had an allergic reaction to the soy lecithin, but lots of the supplements I take contain soy lecithin as a filler and I never had a problem like that...Now granted I was taking huge amounts of the Soy Lecithin 900 mg, (like 10-15 caps per day)...Could this reaction have instead been from the mas ... 5,992 hits
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Re: day 7 thought i would join the group R by pepe 17 y
I would concentrate more on whole umprocessed foods and not look so much to soy. Below is a little reading to give you some insight an the soy story. Whole Soy Story: The Dark Side of America’s Favorite Health Food By Kaayla T. Daniel Issue 124: May/June 2004 Over the past decade, soy foods have become America ’s favorite health food. Newspapers, magazines, and best-selling health writers have proclaimed the "joy of soy" and promoted the belief that soy food is the key to disease prevention and maximum longevity. The possibility that an ... 1,453 hits
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Part 2 by hokouri 20 y
I’ve been reading about the potential dangers of soy, what’s the story? Soy is a good food if you are type A. By this it is meant that soy will not make you FEEL good if you are type A. Some of the good things soy is doing may, in fact, make you feel not so great after you eat it, but it is good for you nonetheless. Here it is the effect of soy lectin on the blood and immune system. These uncomfortable reactions are usually temporary. Making sense of the recent controversial articles about soy, phytates, aromatase and minerals: Phytates are in soy. Humans secrete phytase (an ... 2,308 hits
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My experience with soy. by krabana 19 y
I don’t know if soy is good or bad or if it’s good or bad for you. I know it’s not bad for me. I recently read an article saying that soy developed sexual disfunctions, impairs thyroid function due to the high levels of isoflavones, exposes you to excesively high amounts of estrogens, and it has potentially high concentrations of manganese. I’m allergic to milk so I recently started using soy milk (whole beans) in my shakes in the morning, I eat soy yoghurt almost everyday, and eat roasted soy beans as a snack once in a while. After having irregular periods ever since I quit ’the pill’ tw ... 1,912 hits
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Oh and BTW by pepe 17 y
Since you are calling yourself TOFUgirl and you seem to have all these nutritional concerns here’s something that will keep you busy for a while and perhaps make you think a little about your moniker. Whole Soy Story: The Dark Side of America’s Favorite Health Food By Kaayla T. Daniel Issue 124: May/June 2004 Over the past decade, soy foods have become America ’s favorite health food. Newspapers, magazines, and best-selling health writers have proclaimed the "joy of soy" and promoted the belief that soy food is the key to disease prevention and m ... 1,195 hits
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Soy Dangers by Aharleygyrl 17 y
Are Sally Fallon & Mary G. Enig, Ph.D. alamists? They are the authors of Cinderella’s Dark Side. And, below are sites that are not Mercola. All of them are about the dangers of soy. In my opinion, there is just too much negative to disregard. Fermented is the only kind that is ok and that is because it is highly processed. I think Mercola is too strict on diet, and that is because he researched his book, the no grain diet, before the glycemic load came out. He based it on the glycemic index. In my opinion, he should have waited and did al ... 2,141 hits
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Sticking Up for Soy by Hveragerthi 14 y View Entire Thread 8
http://nutritionaloutlook.com/article.php?ArticleID=2393 Sticking Up for Soy By: Robby Gardner Recent science points to soy for a number of health benefits. Over the past decade, soy has retained its place on the cusp of mainstream American eating. Withstanding fringe-group connotations of hippies and vegans, and myths linking it to breast cancer and male breast enlargement, soy has often endured an ill-deserved reputation. But a look at the broader scope of soy science tells ... 1,753 hits
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Re: Regarding soy - Oy! by Dquixote1217 14 y
You will also find a lot of good ol’ boys in mainstream medicine and science who favor statins, vaccinations of all sorts, bone drugs, GMO crops (of which soy is one of the top three in the world along with corn and canola) and any other number of items that you won’t support for around here. A few years ago you would also have been able to find a lot of the same folks extolling the benefits of Vioxx and a few decades ago, respected doctors and scientists were regularly trotted out to testify in favor of cigarettes. Today we see that same network tellin ... 8,344 hits
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Stuff you should know about soy, THIS IS AGAINST THE SOY ... by hokouri 20 y View Entire Thread 10
Soy does contain a protease inhibitor, named ’Bowman-Birk Soy Protease Inhibitor’ or BBI (1) Although it has been isolated in soy milk (although you have to drink about 60oz of soy milk 2-3 times daily), BBI is destroyed in cooked soy products, which are devoid of protease inhibitor activity. (2) Significant effects from protease inhibition can only be produced in rats by feeding them astronomically large amounts of raw soy flour. (4) The classical Bowman-Birk inhibitor from soya retards strongly the hydrolysis of elastin catalyzed by leukocyte elastase, cathepsin G and ... 2,883 hits
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well I've nailed it! Soy lecithin responsible for unpleas... by tiredofthis 11 y
http://www.buzzle.com/articles/soy-lecithin-side-effects.html Soy lecithin is known to cause adverse effects, if consumed in excess; or worse, without a practitioners’ prescription. Some major discrepant fallouts are as follows: ➢ Soy lecithin can lead to side effects; such as, nausea, abdominal pain, and diarrhea. It is known to cause mild digestive upset, resulting in loose stools. Gastrointestinal problems are caused due to soy lecithin as well. ➢ Some people have experienced excessive weight gain after the consumption of soy lecithin. Contrarily, loss of appet ... 1,482 hits
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Soy not the health food we were told it was - Hexane lace... by Jawg 20 y View Entire Thread 3
”Soy burgers and soymilk are organic but soy protein isolate is not. In researching why, we discovered that non-organic soy protein isolate is often processed with HEXANE, a petroleum solvent similar to gasoline. Traditionally, natural food manufacturers have used only expeller pressed oils and fats that do not involve the use of hexane in the crushing process. Yet the resulting ³residual soy meal² is utilized in many soy powders, cereals, and bars sold in the natural food stores. ”Besides being a potential health hazard in food, hexane is a significant greenhouse gas. A quick resea ... 1,933 hits
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Protein Supps...Are They Bad? Here is some info! by Marcus 21 y View Entire Thread 2
I was into bodybuilding for about 2 years I have recently stopped taking protein powders. Here is some information on ”Soy Protein Isolate” [[kind of protein powder others are Whey Protein Isolate, Casein Protein, Egg White protein etc for those not familiar with bodybuilding supplements]]from a credible source. ””Soy normally has plant phyto-estrogens. These mimic the action of the hormone estrogen in your system. They body can make adjustments for these phyto-estrogens by lowering estrogens, but in excess these phyto-estrogens will throw hormones out of balance. Well, genetically m ... 1,175 hits
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HEXANE used in soy processing - factory explodes! by Jawg 20 y
Soy is proving to be more and more carcinogenic. The natural toxins in it, plus the way they are processing it with Hexane, is the final straw to health conscious consumers. Or, it should be.... I say stay away from Soy, my boy! --------------------- ”[We] wondered why soy burgers and soymilk are organic but soy protein isolate is not. In researching this question he discovered that non-organic soy protein isolate is often processed with hexane, a petroleum solvent similar to gasoline. Traditionally, natural food manufacturers have used only expeller pressed oils and fa ... 799 hits
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Re: USE STARKIST it is free of hydrolyzed proteins! by #33048 20 y
Starkist probably isn’t intentionally ”lying” about added hydrolyzed protiens. However, there may be dehydrated soy sauce in the vegetable broth. It might be a good idea to contact Starkist’s broth supplier to find out about fermeted soy in their product. I can’t really see much reason why their broth supplier would use soy in a form other than soy sauce (If not isolated hydrolyzed soy protien). Soybeans don’t really have flavor unless they are fermented or hydrolyzed. Unfermented soy would be an useless ingredient. Fermented soy products are a source of ”natural” MSG formed through ”natur ... 1,843 hits
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Re: Soy Intake May Modify Risk of Breast Cancer by wombat 15 y
Can you elaborate between types of soy consumption? There’s a huge difference between the traditional asian use of soy(mostly fermented, and not a huge part of the diet), and the way westerners are consuming it now(soy milk, soy burgers, soy protein isolate, soy energy bars, soylent green, etc). The most balanced study I’ve come across is this one: http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/131/11/3095S Conclusion: The available data, reviewed above, indicate the lack of any convincing information to substantiate either of two extreme and opposing claims, each of which has been ... 1,995 hits
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Soy lecithin is poison ! by Shaker 16 y View Entire Thread 18
MH, How can you advice people to use SOY Lecithin.. Everywhere I read is that the Lecithin from Soy is being extracted with Acetone. Acetone is a nail remover !!!! MEGA TOXIC I was shocked watching these vidoes where they talk about how toxic Soy is for the human body, so this also means Lecithin from the Soy. Besides that, Soy Lecithin is also way too easy to get, they have it in EVERY health food store, so when something is TOO easy to get I start to place my question marks. I mean ”they” want us to die, they want to change our DNA. And that is exactly what SOY Lecithin is doing ... 15,608 hits 1 of 1 (100%)
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Re: you're reading my mind by wombat 16 y
fermented = good. I love miso. http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2004/08/04/fermented-soy.aspx Soy is a hotly debated product among those who promote and sell its nutritional value as well as consumers who eat it. The debate stems largely from the health value of nonfermented soy found in a great many processed foods in relation to those that use the much healthier alternative fermented soy. Why? Nonfermented soy products contain phytic acid, which contains anti-nutritive properties. Phytic acid binds with certain nutrients, including iron, to inhibit their a ... 1,301 hits
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Settling The Soy Controversy by Hveragerthi 12 y
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/neal-barnard-md/settling-the-soy-controve_b_453966.html Settling The Soy Controversy Soy products are remarkably versatile. Manufacturers have found ways to turn them into soymilk, veggie burgers, hot dogs, ice cream, yogurt--you name it. One day, they’ll probably turn soy into snow tires. Because soy products are so widely consumed, some people have raised the question as to whether they are safe. The biggest question mark was whether they affect the risk of breast cancer and, for women who have been diagnosed with breast cancer, whether th ... 808 hits
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Do Soy Isoflavnoids themself cause leaky gut? by bobby1993 11 y View Entire Thread 2
Hey there, So I know Soy wreaks havoc on your body and is a prime contributor to leaky gut, but is that primarily because of the lectins in the soy? Would taking soy isoflavones have any affect whatsoever on your gut or only on your hormonal and endocrine system. Because this is the part of the soy that handles estrogen, I’d imagine it causing a response to your hormones but not so much your leaky gut. Thanks! 1,721 hits
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Re: The American Journal of CLINICAL NUTRITION , Monsanto... by Tizona 14 y
the very first thing your link try to convince me of is that soy lowers sperm count. I think that is laughable. Especially given that the most populous country on earth is also the country that eats the most soy! This anti-soy hysteria among alternative health types is rampant and pretty much out of control Everything in moderation. Or you can eschew soy products altogether, that’s fine, it won’t hurt you to do so. but spreading misinformation is a disservice to all 4,603 hits
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Re: Does cooking GMO soy turn it into natural soy? by grzbear 14 y
”if you’re saying that pesticides and/or genetically modified soy products are a problem, then just buy organically grown , non-genetically modified soy products” ”if you’re saying that pesticides and/or genetically modified soy products are a problem, then just buy organically grown , non-genetically modified soy products” We are on the same page... I eat only organic fermented soy on rare occasions... but to each his own. The only thing I would add is to eat soy sparingly as a condiment... as was done preprocessed food days in Asian countries. grz- 9,611 hits 0 of 1 (0%)
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Re: Not sellig it, but since you responded by Dquixote1217 14 y
"If you were to carefully review the thousands of studies published on soy, I strongly believe you would reach the same conclusion as I have—which is, the risks of consuming unfermented soy products FAR outweigh any possible benefits. Notice I said unfermented soy products ." How do you not understand that those two opening sentences in the article make it crystal clear that Mercola is warning about the dangers of non-fermented soy? 9,720 hits 3 of 4 (75%)
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Re: dangerous supplement additives by danwich 11 y
To my knowledge, A.C. Grace’s vitamin E products have always been refined from soy. Maybe Schmid was referring to the carrier oil not being soy. There’s actually a few brands that are derived from sunflower oil instead of soy, I’ve been keeping a list of different pros/cons here: http://www.toxinless.com/vitamin-e I’m starting to think the concentration of the oil is more important than the source of the vitamin E, except for the soy-sensitive. 3,488 hits
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Re: Congestive Heart Failure by Anon9876 10 y
I like the advice too, except for the recommendation to eat soy. Soy is horrible for you! Contains phytoestrogens that mess up your body’s hormones, plus almost all soy is GMO crap. There are about a thousand other reasons. Just don’t eat soy! And red meat...I don’t know about that one either. Red meat is a huge source of inflammation, not to mention all of the toxins that are in it. 3,226 hits
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