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Re: What are the best liver/gallblader stones dissolvers ?
by Michael B 12 y
Many here have gotten out stones without a flush: some from apple juice alone, some from coffee enemas, some from eating avocados, some from epsom salts, some from just malic acid. The case histories are just buried in thousands upon thousands of posts.. I once had a list of reference posts to demonstrate that the stones are actually from the liver and not made of ”soap” as some nay-sayers believe. It never made it to the liver debate forum because i was banned and the list is gone :)
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by omrta 18 y
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I am trying to post this, but it is sort of not working:
Hi everybody,
Thanks for all the answers and remarks. You are all more critical then I expected, that surprised me somewhat, but I do really appreciate the feedback.
I do not feel however that I am over-ritualising the flushing protocol.
According to general understanding the flush has several stages
- preparation beforehand to soften up stones (taking of apple juice, Malic Acid, milk thistle, chanca piedra etc etc for a month or a week or so)
- preparation beforehand to make sure you have proper moving bowels (take psylliu ...
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Debate or Support?
R by Webmaster 20 y
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Again, and again, we have people posting messages in breach of forum
guidelines and rules.
Please read the title of this forum:
Liver Flush Support Forum
Open a dictionary, and try to find what
Support means. Read also
forum description!
I have repeatedly
warned several people who were taking part in previous debates ( em)
(but ernestegates is not far from em...) that
Liver Flush Support Forum is only for support beyond debate.
Moderators have been giving warnings for weeks.
Here are several threads where em and ernestegates keep abusing
forum guidelin ...
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Yo Vern, it's space dust!
by Savagegrace 19 y
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I was over at the ”Liver Debate Forum” a little while ago. Jeeze, you would think by now that people would understand that the brain limits thinking to within one’s belief system.
So, I’m gonna tell ya what the bright green stones are made of.
Olive oil and space dust.
What? You think I’m kidding?
What you fail to realize is that the liver if filled with space dust or if you prefer, grit made up of salts. Could be calcium salts, bile salts or who knows what (I sure in heck don’t). But it’s both in suspension and layered in all the crooks and crannys of the liver (akin to a crat ...
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Re: Messages by SuperScout
R by Webmaster 18 y
Similar messages usually trigger debates. One can not argue that the only reason Super Scout posted a message into a support forum was to trigger a debate.
Biting and initiating a debate inside a support forum is against the CureZone rules, regardless if person is right or wrong.
On CureZone, we share forums into Debate Forums and Support Forums.
When someone starts a debate inside a support forum, those discussion threads are moved (by moderators) into appropriate debate forum.
When someone continues to debate inside a support forum, his posting privileges for that forum or for ...
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Re: Has anyone seen this Lancet Gallbladder Flush Study?
by DangerousProduce 19 y
Your comment makes a person wonder why a short article, like the Lancet article you mention, would completely change your mind about the major health benefits received from a liver flush(es) unless you ALREADY BELIEVED the conclusions of that article.
Then it seems the Lancet article supported an already strong belief of yours.
If you really had thought about trying a liver flush and the Lancet article was interesting to you and you want to read further about the article, then go to the”Liver Flush Debate Forum”. Many aspects of this particular Lancet article are discussed in great de ...
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Re: Why do some people need endless flushes?
R by Telman 12 y
Don’t start a debate in the liver-flush support forum. If you are sceptical then go to the liver-flush debate forum.
If you look at the survey:
http://curezone.com/faq/p/r.asp?a=28,571,2826&s=21&u=10
You will see that most people have a modest number of liver-flushes and it is exceptional for people to carry out more than 30.
If you buy the books they explain according the the doctrine of the author how many liver-flushes one would undertake.
Nevertheless people do feel compelled to keep liver-flushing for their own personal reasons which may be very different from yours. Ra ...
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Re: Why before bed and not during day?
by Telman 4 y
You have to consider the post in context at the time it was made 6 years and 4 years ago. At this time the laws affecting medical products was changing and liver-flushing as an alternative protocol was under attack. There is also a dedicated forum for people to debate the evidence surrounding the controversial use of liver flushing. The liver flush support and the other 4 cleansing forum was always specially protected.
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Re: help - need encouragement - attacks after flushes
by plzchuckle 16 y
I fail to understand what part of liver flush SUPPORT forum you don’t understand.
I’m stone free now, how about you?
Take your nay-saying to the liver flush debate forum ... any further negative post of this sort on this forum will be deleted, if a moderator doesn’t choose to do so with this one.
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Re: Liver Flush...Suspect...Time For Surgery?
by DangerousProduce 19 y
If this is really the main source of your worry and bothering you with anxiety, then I can say that about the ”empty gallbladder” test that has you worried, I know people who have passed it. One person who had stones (plus other problems), and having been to the doctor decided against surgery, used some form of the flush, went back to the same doctor and this time the ultrasound could not find any type of stone. Guess what that same doctor said this time about the ”empty gallbladder?” The doctor said that the ultrasound cannot pick up all types of gallstones, so just because I don’t see a ...
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Re: chinese bitters helping release more stones
by nobugsplease 20 y
”Please read the description of this forum. Every single page of this forum contains a link to forum description. There is another forum for scepticts, and there is no restriction on what questions can be asked in that forum!
D.”
This was the last paragraph in D.’s post to you...and he provided a link to the Forum Description. Had you carefully read his post or the Forum Description you would have understood that these sorts of posts belong in the Liver Flush Debate Forum!!!
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Re: Liver flush advice...southern bell
by kelltl 20 y
I guess you are right, I have made great progress. Once you start feeling somewhat better, you want to feel A LOT better....greedy I guess. Never having been without allergies and then suddently seeing what life without them is like is adictive. Any advice on the post flush symptoms as that was one of the two reasons I stopped flushing?
I am supportive of newbies and felt I was when I defended their ability to ask basic questions. I guess we all do things differently and I never have felt that some skepticism is a bad thing. However, you made a very good observation that escaped me ...
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Re: I do not believe in zapper and parasite theories.
by southern belle 20 y
Hi Guy!
First of all, this is the liver flush forum only. Any doubts about any of the other flushes or the zapper should be in the debate forum only. This is a support forum. We do not allow debates here.
With the problems you have, you need to complete a bowel cleansing program plus the liver flush.
Dr. Clark suggests an order in which to cleanse and it would be good if you read up on all the cleanses.
Paulette
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This is a support forum not a debate forum : read inside
by Wrenn 19 y
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there is a liver flush debate forum for this type discussion
(click on link below)
i will be moving this entire thread there,
and you may continue your debate there with np at all.
please remember rules of posting,
and refrain from personal attacks,
(you can attack the message but not the messenger.)
this is not a matter of censorship ,
it is pure and simply posting in the proper forum.
thank you for your help in keeping this forum
free of debative threads.
best to you ,
Ami Joi Benton http://curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=476&t=49466
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Re: is a liver flush real or not?
by unyquity 17 y
Hundreds of people have had their ’stones’ analyzed, and yes, they ARE from the liver & gallbladder.
I have no idea what your diet & lifestyle are like, but if you take Rx pharmaceutical drugs, OTC preparations and eat in an unhealthy fashion...your liver will continue to be clogged, sluggish, tender & sore AND continue producing ’stones’.
There is a liver flush debate forum, which I believe is where you might want to repost your concern.
Blessings,
Uny
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Re: An Open Letter to My CZ Buddies
by #41016 16 y
My posts about Charlie end up in Personal Conflicts. I have posted here (Liver Flush Forum) and in Webmaster Debate, but both times they have been removed and my issue about him not addressed. But he promotes himself in a very subtley controlling and deceptive way. CZ is content to bury this than to deal with it.
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Re: Are these really stones or just olive oil globules?
by DangerousProduce 19 y
When talking science it is important that the same word being used by everyone has the same meaning to everyone using it. When people worry over whether what they get (in the toilet) are just olive oil globules from the night before what does that mean? What are they asking when they want to know if they are just globules from the night before?
If you look up globules in a standard dictionary it says:
globule......a small particle of matter of sphericle form
.............a tiny pill
globular.....globe shaped
glabated.....spherical
globe........a round body
...................exa ...
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Re: most gentle liver flush|? doesnt epson=kidney damage|?
by caseyais 18 y
first of all, this is the debate forum NOT the support forum, and secondly, the epsom salts will not damage your kidneys with the amount you use for liver flushing, maybe if you used it prolonged it would damage them. Any ”gentler flush” will not be as effective, and you will have a hard time improving your health. AND stones do not hurt coming out, no matter if you use stone softeners or not, ALL stones are stuck stones already, and softening them first simply increases the amount that will be released.
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I found almost instant relief
BSA SUCCESS by fectoid2 12 y
I agree that lowfat doesn’t equal fatty liver, but if fatty liver is present, lowfat may be a long, long road to reversing fatty liver, particularly if cholestasis is involved. The liver flushes really ”jumpstart” the liver into moving a lot of bile in a short period of time, which breaks the cholestatic cycle. I had a overgrowths of Candida Parapsilosis, Staphylococcus Aureus, and Pseudomonas Auerginosa AND an impaired liver all diagnosed through CDSA. Severe dysbiosis. I avoided fat for years without improvement. The impaired bile flow along with lack of fat in the diet, especially EFA’s ...
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For: marcus2013 and 188909
by Govell 10 y
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Here we go the liver flush support has been bombed by 188909 and marcus2013 is spreading poison without evidence. This is not educating and it proper place is in the debate forum.
The major scam is the number of gallbladder operations carried out in the western world. Currently there are 15 Million Americans recovering from gallbladder surgery. At $10,000 an operation that’s $150,000,000,000 and 70% YES 70% will continue to complain of continuing pain. Surgeons carry out 80% of these operation on the same basis as people liver-flush. Soft stones and sludge.
Listen up marcus2013 and ...
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Fuggles
by Southern Belle 15 y
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You appeared on this forum 6 months ago (under this username) and you have posted 26 times and 26 times, you have asked basically the same questions over and over again.
In a September 12th post, you said you had ”ordered” your epsom salts. You have questioned using every type of oil known to man and you have picked apart every liver flush.....but you have yet to even do one! In a December 23rd post, you stated you wanted to be ”fitter” before you flushed.
After spending an hour reading these posts, I have come to the conclusion that you will never do a liver flush and you are basica ...
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Something for me to share
by suzie-uk 20 y
Hi happy flushers
I have put 2 links below from Liver Flush Debate forum - I thought you would find them interesting. I personally think the original message should have been put here as well.
Also, I was thinking that if we all kept a diary/journal re our symptoms diet, flushes etc, it might be very useful and very surprising. Most of us suffer from brain fog due to liver congestion and toxins, etc. and I’m sure you will all agree that you cannot remember exactly what you did/didn’t do re protocol of your first flush. Mine was only 2 weeks ago and I certainly couldn’t swear on the ...
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Re: stone stuck in the bile duct
by Blueduck 19 y
People have had their stones from liver flushing analyzed and the results were : Gall stones.
My reaction to you is that YOU are main stream medicine and are trolling several forums.
Be aware that these ARE support forums for support.
However we DO have a Liver Flush Debate Forum that you may want to check out.
Click the link below and you will be magically transported there !
Blueduck http://www.curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=476&t=20521
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Re: Hanna
by hopinso 19 y
Personally, I think the ”Unsettling News” thread should be moved to the debate forum, and this thread hidden. The original post might have some merit because the writer did go to a lot of trouble getting the stones tested. However that sort of negative post does not belong on a support forum, neither do the unkind comments made in this thread.
Please keep this forum as a place for support, encouragement, and positive information. Those who choose not to believe in the merit of gallbladder and liver flushing can simply not visit this forum. Many lives have been changed and a lot of surgery ...
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This is a support forum....not a debate forum
by Southern Belle 19 y
It easy to see you have spent very little time on curezone. The ”theories” you raise have been posted so many times before and that is why you have gotten such negative responses. You could have even taken the time to check out everything at the top of the liver flush forum before you posted such a worthless post.
It is easy to see you have never flushed, too. So, as the old saying goes, ”Never judge a man until you have walked in his mocassins.” (At least, that’s what we say down here in Mississippi.)
So, if you continue to post in the support forum, I will hide/block your futur ...
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Re: Epsom Salt concerns - Hypermagnesemia (magnesium toxi...
by stoneface 17 y
When tomorrow comes, we all take a calculated risk in life.
After nearly 20 LF’s I acknowledge the benefits of a liver cleansing procedure.
I’m one of those people, who constantly question medical procedures, medication side-effects and also alternative methods like liver flush.
There is a long way to fully understand what really happens during LF.
I personally posted a message last week to a liver flush debate forum asking for scientific proof for the LF.
Unfortunately that message disappeared during the ’blackout”.
However, debate forum doesn’t attract many users of this websid ...
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Chinese medicine
R by Telman 13 y
This is a debate subject.
You may like to take time a read the following document which is quite impartial. It discusses a similar stone expulsion method and gives some results.
Can the liver flush remove gallstones? Yes
Do all the stones from a liver flush come from the liver and gallbladder? This is the debate question.
http://www.itmonline.org/arts/gallstones.htm
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Re: A Research Study on Liver Flushes
by monroe444 8 y
Ah, Paraboy, I’m sure there are more than enough people who will continue to argue against anything out of the realm of conventional medicine, they will argue it’s only one study and will question its veracity and the credibility of R.L. Garrison.
I’m quite confident the liver flush debate forum will continue indefinitely.
monroe
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Parasite cleanse before Liver flush?
by Dragonstarr 20 y
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I accidently posted this in the liver flush debate forum so i posted it again here.
I just came across this site today and decided the liver cleanse is omething I need to do. I have coem to the conclusion from allt he reading I ahev doen that The liver has alotto do with Lupus. But befoer I can do ur liver cleanse it says i must do a parasite cleanse. I am currently aslready doing a parasite/clon cleanse by Dr. Natura ( www.drnatura.com ) and its a 2 month celasne and i am in teh last month. I was wondering if this cleanse was ufficient enough to do the liver flush when i am done. I haev ...
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help me decide what to do
by +energy 18 y
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I’m finishing up a 60-day parasite/colon cleanse and will continue to replenish with nutrients and supplements (probiotics, enzymes, green food, alkalizing drink, ect). I’m debating whether or not I want to begin a series of liver flushes. Although it seems liver flushes are ”quick and easy” it can be a traumatic experience. I’m scared that it’s too harsh and too fast. I’m scared of a stone getting stuck inside. I’m scared of extreme healing crisis...
I’m considering gradual liver flushes instead, which are recommended for people who are ill or underweight (I’m petite and skinny). ...
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Oh my!
by telman 17 y
Oh my!
The comment wasn’t aimed at you personally. You’ve taken it the wrong-way.
I was just making the point that that we all need to focus on our cures and not be sidetracked by what other people are doing or saying. Otherwise it may end in tears, and now you appear to be upset.
Other forums have nothing to do with this one. The liver flush support forum in common with all the ’special’ support forums has more restrictive rules but they are always applied liberally.
In the non-support forums people have greater flexibility to say whatever they want and they usually do. There ...
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Re: Just sharing what works for me
by Charly 17 y
I’m sorry, but you did not do the Dave Frahm flush if you used Andrews liver salts instead of Magnesium Citrate.... Andrews liver salts would not be a substitute if it did not get the same results.
Do you think I’m not telling the truth? Why would I promote something that does not work for anyone that does it correctly?
You have your opinion, I leave you alone. Why do you knock what I share? I thought this was a support forum... not a debate forum.
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68417, who are you?
by wombat 18 y
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From your message in this forum:
”However being a flushing freak and having had utmost benefit from this cleansing I am suspicious and do not believe what some doctors say.”
From your message in the liver flush debate forum:
”Beeing a doctor myself I was well able to guide myself and to motivate myself. However, I am not so sure, whether everybody is really able to do this because the succes of liver flushing depends on so many little aspects that need to be taken into consideration. last not least - if the colon is not clean it is better not to start flushing because then you get ...
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Thanks for the messages
by telman 19 y
I don’t think visitors always understand that people come to these forums because they have been let down by conventional medicine and are desperate to make a life change to improve their quality of life. After reading the FAQs, asking a few morale boosting question and starting to flush there are many hurdles, panics and periods of self doubt. The already shaking psyche is pushed to the limit in dealing with this leap of faith of curing oneself. There are plenty of other forums to debate liver flushing and natural health but this group is specifically to support liver flushers and cleanse ...
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Re: Liver Flush during Day??
by hanna 19 y
I don’t think visitors always understand that people come to these forums because they have been let down by conventional medicine and are desperate to make a life change to improve their quality of life. After reading the FAQs, asking a few morale boosting question and starting to flush there are many hurdles, panics and periods of self doubt. The already shaking psyche is pushed to the limit in dealing with this leap of faith of curing oneself. There are plenty of other forums to debate liver flushing and natural health but this group is specifically to support liver flushers and cleanse ...
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1.5 years of Flushing?!?!
by hanna 10 y
You might have a different problem than most of us. I posted this on the liver flush debate forum.
http://curezone.info/forums/fm.asp?i=2210439
As far as ES go to Andreas Moritz forum (archived) and put Epsom salts in the search box at the top of the forum. As a child he took ES (=magnesium sulfate) for something like 10 years and he was not worried about the kidneys.
I hope someone else will come along here and have more information on your problem.
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Re: Is the Liver Cleanse Bullsh*t?
by lisamarie23 13 y
I agree that it is a debate subject.
You can take matters into your own hands by purchasing some hcl acid tablets. add enough to some water to simulate the acidic levels of the stomach. then add in your oil, grapefruits and epsom salts. stir to your hearts content. no stones will ever appear. The formula for soapmaking is very well known.
I covered this in the debate forums. Andreas has covered the subject many times over. One would think that since doctors do have formal training in organic chemistry they would be able to understand that there isn’t nearly, by any stretch of anyone’ ...
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Is there a debate?
by Miler 20 y
Is there a debate on whether stones in the liver exist? I really haven’t looked much into this debate (as in what they are debating in particular), but if you simply type in ”intrahepatic gallstones” there are a number of scientific articles on the subject. ”Intrahepatic” simply means ”within the liver,” (i.e., not in the gallbladder).
Here is one example of a journal article:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=8963394
There still might be a debate as to the frequency of it, or the health benefits from a flush. I don’t k ...
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Thank you for the info. This is the wrong forum for
by hanna 20 y
you. We support each other when we make the choice to do the flushes.
If you want to have a debate there is a special forum for that.
It always amazes me when people jump in a forum for a few hours
without supporting the support part and then you don’t see them again or they try under a different name.
Please go to the debate forum. Thanks.
Johanna
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you. We support each other when we make the choice to do the flushes.
If you want to have a debate there is a special forum for that.
Johanna
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Re: Liver Flush with Phos Food did not get rid of my 2cm ...
by hanna 18 y
I still have my 2.7cm stone but I feel fine, no symptoms, you can live with a gallstone. I maintenance flush to keep the liver and gallbladder clean. I have done several ultrasounds so I know it is still there. Read the R and FAQ at top of this page.
I just published on the debate forum, what of course is different than this support forum. I believe in flushing it changed my life.
http://www.curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=733119
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