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300 mg Lugol's vs. 100 mg Lugol's by baccheion 4 years ago
What’s the reasoning behind taking 300 mg Lugol’s iodine versus 100 mg? I read that 100 mg is the bare minimum, but that some take 300 mg. Will 100 mg be sufficient or should I consider 300 mg? If taking 300 mg, do I need more L-selenomethionine (600 mcg rather than 200 mcg, for example) or ATP cofactors (6 servings of 100 mg riboflavin + 500 mg inositol hexaniacinate rather than 2)? What about vitamin C? 402 hits
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Re: Iodoral is making me cold! by peacefirst 4 years ago
Thank you for your answer. I usually take iodine on empty stomach before I leave home early in the morning (as I put 4 drops into the capsule, and have to take it immediately, so it wouldn’t melt it.), then eat breakfast/snack around 9 or 10 and take companion nutrients - 200 mcg selenium (l-selenomethionine), 300-400 mg of magnesium malate, 1-2 grams of vit C, B complex, 100-200 B2 and 250 of regular flush niacin, and sometimes add a few capsules of Seeking Health multivitamin (the one you would need 8 per day for full dose.) Sometimes I add 300 mg alpha lipoic and vit a, D, and K2. I do ... 1,219 hits
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Iodine not having any (positive) effect by baccheion 3 years ago View Entire Thread 3
What’s the reasoning behind taking 300 mg Lugol’s iodine versus 100 mg? I read that 100 mg is the bare minimum, but that some take 300 mg. Will 100 mg be sufficient or should I consider 300 mg? If taking 300 mg, do I need more L-selenomethionine (600 mcg rather than 200 mcg, for example) or ATP cofactors (6 servings of 100 mg riboflavin + 500 mg inositol hexaniacinate rather than 2)? What about vitamin C? I’ve restarted the protocol and it’s now been 3-4 weeks. I haven’t experienced any increased energy, healing, or anything else. I also find it difficult to sleep, though that seems mor ... 184 hits
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Re: Selenium methylselenocysteine & L-selenomethionine by strong tree 12 years ago
thanks Newport so i guess i should get most of my Se as L-selenomethionine if i want good iodine uptake / utilization where you wrote... ”...50-200mcg of Selenium from Yeast and the rest in SeMC looks like a great solution” does the ”Selenium from Yeast” = L-selenomethionine ? i have ”yeast free” L-selenomethionine like the NOW brand....is it from yeast but the final product is ”yeast free” also i saw talk of 800 mcg but 400 mcg being possibly toxic which i guess especially applies to L-selenomethionine as it is stored longer ? i’ll keep reading thanks 9,096 hits
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Re: Is "yeast free Selenium" different than selenomethion... R by Newport 14 years ago
There are a couple of ways to make Selenomethionine. The cheapest is to throw some elemental Selenium and bacteria into a container and let that convert it to Selenomethionine. It’s not really normal yeast but OK we can call it yeast. The problem occurs with the quality control in that process, a company without controls buying from the cheapest supplier (China) may sell you 50/50 elemental Selenium/Selenomethionine, they really have no idea how much has been converted nor do they test. However that same ”ULTRA” cheap selenium from yeast can be 1/99 elemental Selenium/Selenomethionine a ... 9,062 hits
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Re: Doubled Dose. R by Newport 15 years ago
400-600mcg per day, best would be Selenomethionine second Selenium from yeast. Keep in mind there is not overdose for Selenomethionine but since selenium not bound to methionine robs the body there is an issue with pure selenium. That said Selenium from yeast is at least partially converted to Selenomethionine... And yes it needs to be there to remove the metals shaken loose by the iodine. And how much is a Brazillian? 1,784 hits
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Re: Selenium methylselenocysteine & L-selenomethionine by Newport 12 years ago
especially applies to L-selenomethionine as This is the optimum format unless you have cancer, it is always a good idea for a Brazil nut or a bit of s-methylselenocysteine daily just in case 9,005 hits
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Re: I want to start iodine/iodide using SSKI by goten574 12 years ago
I forgot to ask, does the Selenium have to be L-selenomethionine? or will Selenium from yeast do? I ask because Healthy Origins have Selenium from yeast at a much cheaper price than the L-selenomethionine from NOW or Nature’s Way. http://www.iherb.com/Healthy-Origins-Seleno-Excell-Selenium-200-mcg-180-Tablets/6899?at=0 Will this do? if not, I shall go with an L-selenomethionine supplement 8,765 hits
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Re: A note or two about selenium by Newport 14 years ago
That almost makes one think that Selenomethionine is NOT organic... Not to say that Methyselenocysteine is not a great supplement but it doesn’t take a lot of Methyselenocysteine and Lugol’s to break the cancer cycle yet the use of Selenomethionine is ongoing. ...and yes, another reason to stay away from Selenomethionine from yeast... Selenium 101 http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1101658#i 3,474 hits
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by Lapis 16 years ago
View First 20 Messages of 48I am an equal opportunity sacred cow slayer. ;-) Not only is mainstream Christianity and Catholicism propped up to promote suberviance from the controllers of the planet for the NWO but so is distorted Buddhism (as well as many others). Check this out. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ *edit* As the following thread demonstrates.... don’t mess with a lama (normally spelled with two l’s) ;-) ~Lapis~ 5,127 hits 5 of 6 (83%)
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Re: Best form of selenium? by torn2tears 8 years ago
Hi mumnz, Good find... I have taken selenomethionne yeast free most of my iodinated life.(6 years) I have taken SeMC selenium too. I have started the SelenoExcell Selenium as it is organic and is the yeast form. I have felt fine so far... Watch out for some of the synthetic selenomethionne as it has L-form and D-form only suitable for animals. The L-form is most suitable for humans. Composition Commercial selenium yeast supplements contain from about 1,000 to 2,000 micrograms of selenium per gram of supplement. This selenium is in the form of selenomethionine, a speci ... 6,825 hits
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Re: Aha and hmm. by cora 14 years ago
Does this below, by any chance, sum up the reason you like L-S in lieu of SeMC - or is there some other reason? Reading a lot on other sites regarding hormone regulation as well. Also read that Selenomethionine is MORE effective toward fighting cancer, so I’m confused. What’s the word - why Selenomethionine? I thought Olree recommended SeMC. http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=15514448 Methylselenol from selenium metabolism is postulated to be and most experimental evidence now indicates that it is the selenium metabolite responsible for the dietary chemoprevention ... 5,154 hits
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Re: Spinning the Truth About the Halted NCI Prostate Canc... by Dquixote1217 14 years ago
I like your input on vitamin E. L-selenomethionine is a good anti-oxidant but it does not appear to be the best form of selenium for fighting cancer. Different Forms of Selenium Inorganic forms of selenium such as sodium selenite have proven more effective at fighting cancer than the commonly used organic form, selenomethionine, yet selenomethionine was more effective at increasing selenium tissue levels and glutathione peroxidase activity. Because cells cannot distinguish selenomethionine from the essential amino acid methionine, some selenomethionine beco ... 3,487 hits
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Making stuff up... by uchihaMadara 10 years ago
”incorporation of selenomethionine into tissue proteins” That right there is a give away clue that does not state in a clear manner the actual route selenomethionine took to get into protein tissue. Was it oral, rectal, intra-muscular injection, or some other means of getting selenomethionine into tissue? The WHOLE wikipedia page dedicated to selenomethionine is WEAK and SHORT. Why give any weight to a faulty statement made on a pro-mainstream, allopathic, site that’s edited by various editors and organizations!? Wiki in bed with Google should be a clue too. We need to branch out ... 2,039 hits
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Selenomethionine vs SeMC by just thinking 10 years ago
http://www.aor.ca/assets/Research/pdf/SeMC_2003_Spring.pdf This is a nifty article posted by Newport some time ago. There’s an illustration on page 3 that shows where selenomethionine has its effects, then where SeMC has its effects. If you have a lot of selenomethionine left over after its other reactions, it might affect the level of SeMC. But SeMC, to the best of my knowledge, cannot go backwards and function as selenomethionine. For extra cancer protection, I can see the use for supplementing SeMC, but I wouldn’t do without selenomethionine for my everyday life. 27,992 hits
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Selenium steady-state 3 yr PDF by just thinking 11 years ago
Here’s one that states it plainly: http://www.efsa.europa.eu/en/scdocs/doc/ans_ej1082_L-Selenomethionine_op_en.pdf?ssbinary=true European Food Safety Authority, 2009, pg 2 "The half-life of L-selenomethionine (252 days) is longer than that of inorganic selenite (102 days), indicating that once absorbed, selenium from L-selenomethionine is incorporated into a long term body pool. The selenium is incorporated into tissue proteins such as skeletal muscle, liver, erythrocytes and plasma albumin from which it can subsequently be released by catabolism to maintain increased se ... 3,135 hits
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Re: EuroPharma Terry Naturally Tri-iodine & Co-Factors? ... RR by just thinking 12 years ago
With all due respect to Wombat, the best type of selenium to use may depend on your purpose for supplementing it. In that same Newport post -- - There are two distinct functions of Selenium - One is as an antioxidant or detoxifier (Heavy Metals) and as a building block of proteins and enzymes. This form is stored in the format of Selenite and Selenomethionine by the tissue. - The other requires further conversion, first to Selenomethionine then to methylselenol then further into anti-cancer anti cell differentiating functions. If you’re fighting cancer, or wanting specifically ... 3,679 hits
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Comparison of Brazil nuts and supplements. Study from Ne... R by supercheetah 14 years ago View Entire Thread 8
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ORIGINAL RESEARCH COMMUNICATION Brazil nuts: an effective way to improve selenium status1,2,3 Christine D Thomson, Alexandra Chisholm, Sarah K McLachlan and Jennifer M Campbell 1 From the Department of Human Nutrition, University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand Background: Brazil nuts provide a rich natural source of selenium, yet no studies have investigated the bioavailability of selenium in humans. Objective: We investigated the efficacy of Brazil nuts in increasing selenium status in compa ... 2,120 hits
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Re: Selenium Yeast.. Anyone heard of it? by finallyfaith 15 years ago
olree reccomends selenomethionine. he says the body has to convert any selenium it utilizes into selenomethionine anyway, so you might as well just give it what it needs right off the bat. i have been taking selenext from jarrow formulas, it contains 200mg methylselenocysteine. i like it, i think its a good product. not too expensive either from swanson vitamins. it also contains B2 vit E and broccoli extract. 1,147 hits
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Re: Selenium methylselenocysteine & L-selenomethionine by strong tree 12 years ago
will go with yeast free L-selenomethionine for supplemnt i’ll check the 100mcg in the multi...just says selenium ( raw code )...probably SeMC from yeast so i think this means do not slack on homocysteine protocol so as to methylate methionine i’ll leave tmg vs dmg vs betaine for another thread ok many thanks hmmm...so many forms and rationales...stored and available seems to be the idea here: http://www.nutritiondynamics.com/Catalog/Products/DouglasLaboratoriesProductView.rails?productid=811 this one has Selenium (selenomethionine) ............... 50 mcg Sel ... 9,065 hits
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Re: Selenium methylselenocysteine & L-selenomethionine by trapper/kcmo 12 years ago
youre my favorite nut, newport. i think i did find a limit for selenium, for me anyway. i was taking about 1200mcg a day and mixing in some selenium from yeast with my NOW brand of selenomethionine. i can say with confidence now that 800mcg of selenomethionine ONLY when first starting iodine and then after the first year or so go back down to 200-400mcg per day maintenance. mercury. people just couldnt leave the magic alone, could they? 8,880 hits
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Re: 10g iodine 20g potassium iodide 90ml water by Jonsher_uk 13 years ago
I would go for the selenium yeast(with alfalfa) if that’s all you can find. It will contain some inorganic selenium too as well as selenomethionine and other selenium compounds. So yeast free selenomethionine is the best, then selenium yeast then the amino-chelated maybe then inorganic selenite or selenate which is the least bioavailable and most toxic Maybe someone help can help you out more, I’m always looking for better and cheaper sources Se-methylselenocysteine (SeMC) is also a good source It looks like the Bishofit contains a lot of Bromine. Not good! 1,788 hits
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Safe Form of Selenium is Selenomethionine by High on Water 11 years ago
or ”L-Selenomethionine” A lot of us have gotten the ”Now” brand of this (which is fairly inexpensive) and the bottle clearly says ”yeast-free selenium” on the front orange label. It is NOT the elemental form of selenium (of which you should NOT take more than 200mcg daily) but DOES take the form of selenomethionine (of which is much safer) and can be taken at higher doses (especially at times of greater detoxification discomforts.) 2,814 hits
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Re: Is Selenium a must? Selenium or Selenemethione? by #148681 10 years ago
Are we sure selenomethionine is a must? This is from wikipedia: ”However, the incorporation of selenomethionine into tissue proteins and keratin in horses causes alkali disease. Alkali disease is characterized by emaciation, loss of hair, deformation and shedding of hooves, loss of vitality and erosion of the joints of long bones.” Hair, vitality, and joint pain are all things that I need to aid back to normal. 2,368 hits
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Re: Iodine seems to make me lose my hair by High on Water 9 years ago
One CAN take too much elemental Selenium. A safer way to take more is getting it as selenomethionine. One is instructed to check the ingredient labels on all forms of selenium for the above spelling. I purchase the ”Now” brand of Selenium. The front label includes the word ”yeast-free” and the ingredient label on the back of the bottle states: Selenium (as L-selenomethionine) 3,574 hits
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Re: Starting dosage, upping speed by trapper/kcmo 8 years ago
triboron from twinlabs - 9mg selenomethionine - 200mcg you can take up to 15mg of boron to replenish (youll have to figure that out) but then cut down to 9. same with the selenium. with selenomethionine, up to 800mcg can be taken for a little while in order to catch up. your mileage may vary. 1,816 hits
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Need suggestions please by Ralph74 6 years ago View Entire Thread 2
Hi My total T3 has been low for a few yrs now. just checked blood iodine and its in range but very low. not sure about selenium. Whats the best way to start taking iodine? i dont eat much fish now or beans or nuts/seeds i have plain potassium iodide, lugols and selenomethionine. How do i start supplementing and at what dose? also are there any contraindications for selenomethionine? thanks :) 800 hits
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Re: another unsolicited testimony by hanna 8 years ago
http://curezone.org/forums/search.asp?q=L-selenomethionine&action=Search Bunch of posts. 2,657 hits
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Re: Choosing selenium supplement by trapper/kcmo 7 years ago
selenomethionine is the only one to use. it is NOT from yeast, not directly anyway. if it says ”from yeast” it can have elemental selenium in it which is detrimental to glutathione stores and can damage the liver with severe toxicity leading to death. selenomethionine can be taken in the 200-800mcg range, depending on the need. 1200mcg being a max therapeutic level for temporary. 200mcg should be enough for daily supps. 822 hits
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Re: Choosing selenium supplement by tmparent 7 years ago
Thanks Trapper! I like pure encapsulations brand so I’ll go with there selenomethionine. Hopefully that is a good one! Here are the supps that I need to add to my regime along with or before beginning the iodine. Do you have any suggestions as to the what order I should add them? selenomethionine boron ATP cofactors D3 Iodoral Thank you for your input! 735 hits
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Re: Selenomethionine and Iodine supp by trapper/kcmo 13 years ago
are you taking lugols? you need selenomethionine. selenium from yeast will use up your bodys ability to metabolize other molecules and lead to problems. at 100mg or more of iodine one should take the full 800mcg(thats MICROgrams, not MILLIgrams) of selenomethionine. one can reach a point where that is too much selenomethionine, but as long as you dont take the other kind that would be rare indeed. a little bit of a balancing act but not hard at all. the fact is i am still not prepared to run the gauntlet of customs just yet. this forum will be the first to know, i assure you. 964 hits
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Re: Selenium over dose? by rvk 13 years ago
Take selenium 200mg + vitamin e (d alfa) together and away from vitamin c. take inorganic selenium which is nontoxic sodium selenite i could find this at vrp . body takes what it needs and extretes the remaining. it does not cause buildup. and selenomethionine and slenocytine are harmful. but selenomethionine works differently than sodium selenite and u might need both of these if you are mercury toxic. I am thinking of taking 2 dr of sodium selenite that is roughly 100mg and 100mg of selenomethionine. or take 5 to 6 brazile nuts which equal to 200mg depending on where the brazile ... 3,324 hits
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Re: Supplementing with Selenium by Newport 15 years ago
Maybe I wasn’t clear; you can take 4x as much SeMC before you reach the toxic level in comparison to elemental Selenium. SeMC is designed to bypass a bunch of complicated conversions required and go directly to the cellular level; this is what makes it so effective in marking cancer cells for organized destruction vs. necrosis. But from my tests even taking large amounts of SeMC is not good enough. The body still needs elemental Selenium and Selenomethionine. To make Selenomethionine from elemental selenium it needs to go through a Methylation cycle and that isn’t always working. Sel ... 1,563 hits
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Re: Amalgam Illness book by Newport 14 years ago
Mainly because there are +20 stages of selenoprotein / selenoenzymes and most texts use Selenite not Selenomethionine. You simply can’t get enough selenium in to bind Hg without moving to Selenomethionine. As for Andy he does NOT consider the bond between Se and Hg permanent, others disagree but with cheap DMSA why argue? Certainly I did well with Selenomethionine but as a cost basis DMSA is cheaper and appears to have a better bond. Mercury: selenium interactions and health implications http://www.smdj.sc/SECIIIC.pdf 1,700 hits
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Selenium 101 RR by Newport 14 years ago
Elemental Selenium is toxic to plants and animals in large amounts both convert it to at least Selenomethionine via the methylation cycle (in humans no idea what plants do). If you do get Selenium from plants (they must be grown in Se rich soil first) it is always in at least the Selenomethionine format. Some like Garlic and Broccoli can take that a step further and create SeMC which goes directly to our cells for cancer fighting, but the same caveat applies…Se in soil first. Selenium from yeast is just a bunch of elemental Se dumped in a bin with some yeast and the yeast converts it ... 9,972 hits 1 of 1 (100%)
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selenium by zenfood 12 years ago View Entire Thread 5
from www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?dbid=95&tname=nutrient Brazil nuts are the most highly concentrated source of selenium. In fact, scientists have shown that a daily Brazil nut is a better source of the mineral than taking a supplement. New Zealand researchers compared Brazil nuts’ efficacy to that of selenomethionine supplements in increasing selenium status in 59 New Zealand residents with low selenium (plasma selenium concentrations rom www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?dbid=95&tname=nutrient Brazil nuts are the most highly concentrated source of selenium. In fact, scientists have shown ... 1,251 hits
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Re: Advice for personal protocol by #78810 15 years ago
from the article: http://www.jacn.org/cgi/content/full/21/3/223 ”Selenomethionine is the predominant form of selenium in most selenium enriched yeast products... Based on animal data, selenium enriched yeast may not be the most effective source of selenium for reduction of cancer in humans. The efficacy of various selenocompounds using the mammary tumor model has been summarized in Table 4. Se-methylselenocysteine and selenobetaine are the most effective selenocompounds identified thus far against mammary tumorigenesis. Although selenobetaine is just as effective, Se-methylselenocy ... 1,684 hits
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Re: Best form of selenium? by torn2tears 8 years ago
Hi trap. I took life extensions L-Selenomethionine yeast free for many years then all of a sudden they drop the L-selonomethionine (Only)bottle and went to a super Selenium which contains L-Selenomethionine, L-selenocysteine, and sodium selenite with 30 mgs of vitamin E. I am not sure about vitamin E. I did find this statement about E: Selenium and vitamin E work together to enhance the protection of cellular membranes from peroxidation. This is though to extend from increased glutathione redox activity on vitamin E. Sodium selenite is known to be toxic,I guess Life extension s ... 6,966 hits
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Re: Best form of selenium? by mumnz 8 years ago
Someone else may know more but I found this on the Stop the Thyroid Madness website - very informative. ”Selenium comes in many forms. Most selenium supplements are selenium yeast, selenomethionine, selenite and selenate. Selenite and selenate are both inorganic forms of selenium and have an absorption rate of about 50%. This unfortunately, increases the chance of selenium toxicity. For this reason alone, organic forms of selenium, such as selenium yeast or selenomethionine, are safer and are more readily absorbed. In fact, organic forms of selenium are the only way to raise serum leve ... 6,375 hits
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Selenium 101 by Newport 14 years ago
from: http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1101658#i Elemental Selenium is toxic to plants and animals in large amounts both convert it to at least Selenomethionine via the methylation cycle (in humans no idea what plants do). If you do get Selenium from plants (they must be grown in Se rich soil first) it is always in at least the Selenomethionine format. Some like Garlic and Broccoli can take that a step further and create SeMC which goes directly to our cells for cancer fighting, but the same caveat applies…Se in soil first. Selenium from yeast is just a bunch of elemental Se d ... 3,563 hits
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