I have often thought that a warm and comfortable prison cell with a sun roof would be the best place to do a water fast! If I buy land, which is my intention, maybe I will run such a place, where people would sign a contract do do fasts for x days. But I would probably get law suits against me from my own customers!   [End]
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I think a water fast will help. We now so little about our own bodies... but fortunately the surgeon at the hospital was quite happy for me to go away and try and heal it myself. I will look at Chiron’s links, maybe you should do the same   [End]
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Yes, thatnks Archus, I will be doing another fast soon, a longer one. I just wish it wasn’t so cold and there was a little more sunshine here in the UK.   [End]
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Wow, thanks C, this is exactly what I was looking for. My plan is to return to nature, in a Permaculture environment, and try and restore my body back to it’s natural state as much as I can. I met a very interesting person recently who had an ”experience” in the Austrian alps, when she became starved of oxygen. She gave me some good advice, including the interesting idea that if I can get my body 99.5% right, nature will do the rest. I will look up the stuff you suggested   [End]
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Well I seem to have reversed a tooth abscess on a recent water fast. The fast was a short one, about 5 days, but it seemed to make the abscess disappear. The dentist at the local hospital said the abscess is in balance, and it would stay like that until I suffered stress, which may cause it to get worse. So, can anyone give me any pointers to natural tooth healing? Thanks   [End]
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Ha ha, Rita has never been taught English, she learned it all by herself so she spells words as they sound. She wants to do another fast soon too, so she can ask here. It has been ages since I fasted so I am not in touch with it now. I am sure she’ll get good advice here. Rita isn’t a veggie :)   [End]
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Hey, well done. Googled that, looks OK http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acidophilus   [End]
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Thanks both, Rita does not drink milk products though, so are there any alternatives that do not contain milk? She lives in Ireland   [End]
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Thanks Chris, Rita has read this stuff and will take up your suggestion, and add soups as well. She is in Ireland, and when she did a detox in Lithuania they gave her some good bacteria pills. Oh and Rita’s english is quite good, ha ha, here’s an example ”and maybe i need start drink sm more juice and ill make sm soup today , not hard food” so she can post herself if she wants, but currently she likes me doing the work, I don’t mind ha ha :) Anyone know any good bacteria pills available in Ireland?   [End]
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Thanks for that. Rita says... ”oh, i dont drink soy milk , and i don’t eat large meals... hmm..yes... im strange, my body is reacting strange... we will see maybe it’s just from food, but i cooked just vegetables with tofu, who knows, maybe after fasting its like that” (edit) Rita also mentioned she had smoked for 8 years before fasting, but has not smoked during or after the fast. She is in her mid 20s, and after fasting around BMI (Body Mass Index) 23.   [End]
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Hi all, I added this just so Rita’s bloating thread (previous) was just for her. Just hope everyone here is well, I have been eating well and put on a little weight, maybe 10 pounds, mainly through eating commercially bought food :( I will probably do some more fasting soon to finish the job.   [End]
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Hi all, I am asking this question for my friend Rita, who is Lithuanian, her English is not good but she will be reading your replies. Rita recently did a 30 day water only fast which ended 1 week ago, but now she is feeling really bloated. She has only been eating just vegetables, tofu, and a some mushrooms. I don’t think this will cause any problems. She thinks it may be to do with her period which she missed on her fast. I am not an expert on this, so can anyone else advise? Rita will read your replies   [End]
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I haven’t seen the videos, don’t have time to look at them. I don’t know Stanley Bass. Is he alive, or dead? His name never crops up when I search plant based nutrition so why should I get distracted? I prefer living people with scientific backgrounds. The problem I find with Curezone is that it seems to be just a gossip site, with little focus on science. The names I am familiar with are the ones in this document http://bit.ly/4pumZb who have gone to a lot of effort to get the truth about PBN out. I am very active elsewhere, on a few projects. I have just down-prioritised Cz, ...
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I still can’t see anything of relevance in the message body. I do not click on links   [End]
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I have read the content of these posts (not links) and fail to see how this is related to this forum. Nothing is related to plant based nutrition   [End]
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I don’t often visit Cz these days, but if I were you in Canada I would go visit Rick Simpson personally and talk to him, http://www.phoenixtears.ca/ Apart from that, I have strong views on cancer, namely that it doesn’t just happen. I’m assuming you eat lots of meat and dairy, yes? Read a book called the China Study, by T Colin Campbell. I think your cancer can be halted and reversed. If I had cancer, I’d make this my first stop http://www.gerson.org/ If you’s like more info PM me   [End]
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I agree, and I think the debate on salt is like rearranging deckchairs on the titanic.   [End]
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I really like this forum, and I am not bothered about Rs and RRRs. I can work out what’s right and wrong. Thanks to all those who contribute, and the creators. It is a private forum after all, like mine, forum 989, the next one created after this. I’d urge people to read the China Study before they consider the so called vegan / non vegan issue. You can actually get a copy here http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4574329/The_China_Study_-_The_Most_Comprehensive_Study_of_Nutrition_Ever - if you are into file sharing. Just go look at the Amazon reviews. Dr Campbell has put decades of his life ...
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Hehe, a wise grandson. You’ll have to forgive me if I go on about food, it’s my pet subject, and I see this as being sooo important for clear thought. Not only that, the stuff I have been reading shows me how food can miraculously heal. So your grandson is wise, and that’s partly because you make sure he gets the right food I expect. I find this forum really interesting, someone else posted about plants having feelings (sorry no time to look back because things are hectic here for Christmas) - but it all kinda falls into place. I must read more of this forum when I get time. I like t ...
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A while ago I posted this video ...which suggests it is possible to reverse tyoe 2 diabetes with a plant based diet. I don’t know if anyone here tried it, but I recently did a course in Plant Based Nutrition at Cornell online. Again, the same thing taught. There are also several compelling testimonials around to suggest that this does indeed work, such as this one here http://www.drmcdougall.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=11757 I have a friend who has type 2 diabetes, so I tried to get him to try a plant based diet, in order to reverse it. He is a very determined meat eater, but he ... [Video Embedded Here]
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I liked that! This is what we are... processed people... To break the loop, we can get rid of the food boxes and replace them with these magical tiny food factories, they are called seeds. With sunshine and water, they work together with nature to feed us the perfect diet, one that rids us of illnesses and makes us very alert. Each little food factory also makes thousands of other food factories. Unlike the box type factories, these are very environmentally friendly. It’s also free, so we don’t have to pay money to the people that drop all these bombs and subsidize the little boxes ... [Video Embedded Here]
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Many people in the plant based movement such as Howard Lyman are very compassionate about everything, including animals. The Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine http://pcrm.org/ have just chosen an animal as a logo http://pcrm.convio.net/site/MessageViewer?em_id=38881.0&dlv_id=43001 - they advocate a plant based diet because is is the optimal diet for health. n fact they can reverse diseases. We seem to have a very special relationship with plants.   [End]
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Have a look at http://www.thechinastudy.com/PDFs/VegSource_Testimonial.pdf I quote: ”I read “The China Study” and made a decision to stop eating animal protein. I also found the link to Mr. McDougall’s site through this book. Nothing in the book indicated that there would be any help for depression but my blood pressure had been creeping up over the years and I am 5 foot 11 inches weighing 201 pounds. I had eaten for 48 years based on no scientific research. I was stuck in the river of western eating and would have to go wherever it carried me. I figured if I could benefit my health by ac ...
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I thought I’d post this, because Howard Kunstler is also a caring person. Until I saw this video, in never occurred to me how much influence architecture has on how we think, but it has a huge influence. When peak oil comes, we will have to seriously thing about re-planning our environment. I have his latest book, ”The Long Emergency” [Video Embedded Here]   [End]
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Howard Lyman is great, I have loads of his stuff that I bought from John McDougall’s site. Al this stuff ties in with the Plant Based Nutrition course I did at Cornell online. Also check out http://www.adelicatebalance.com.au Here’s a clip from the DVD that I bought, I think I was order number 4. I am friendly with the author, Aaron Scheibner, and we exchange emails now and then. T Colin Campbell, who is featured in that video, ran my Cornell Course. You know he was even banned, from his own University? Dairy industry infiltration. Sorted now though. Howard Lyman is right up m ... [Video Embedded Here]
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For me, exercise and a plant based diet were sufficient. http://www.runtex.com/web/1-189.asp ””There is little question,” said Campbell, ”that a plant-based diet has a broad-based effect that will prevent typical American diseases such as acne, depression, Alzheimer’s, kidney stones, multiple sclerosis and heart disease.”” The idea is to try a plant based diet first, and see. Remember Dr Campbell’s 8th Principle: ”Good nutrition creates health in all areas of our existence” Don’t forget sunshine also. Not a lot of that around right now though, if you are in the Northern Hemis ...
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Dr Fuhrman does of course sell DHA, and this may influence his decision. That message of mine is 8 months old, I have learned a lot since then. Since doing the Cornell course, and since about 3 months ago, I decided to go without supplements. Dr Shelton’s health was poor, and he died of Alzheimer’s 24 years ago http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_shelton, so it does not seem as if his DHA supplements helped with his Alzheimers, contrary to what Dr Fuhrman suggested in his newsletter that you quoted me on. It’s entirely up to people to make their own mind up on supplements.   [End]
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I had a problem responding to this, as my Cornell course notes are copyright. There are a number of chapters on this in Matt Lederman’s lecture. I wrote to Dr Lederman asking if it was OK to cut and paste them here, but he hasn’t responded yet. However Dr McDougall did respond, and his view on this is as follows: He has a few articles which address the B12 and omega 3 issues directly: B12: http://drmcdougall.com/misc/2007nl/nov/b12.htm Essential fat: 3rd article: http://drmcdougall.com/misc/2009nl/sep/fav5.htm And http://drmcdougall.com/misc/2007nl/aug/oils.htm H ...
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Try it, I was very overweight and was having curry cravings after 1 week, but I still found fasting easy. I think you’ll know when you are ready. I kept wandering around the fruit and veg counters of my supermarket admiring the produce after 3 weeks. I guess that would have been enough for me had I stopped then, lol!   [End]
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My first fast was around 27 days and it was on that. If I recall, I got a taste for fruit at around 23 days. The argument in the pleasure trap is that 12 weeks of healthy eating will produce the same effect, but you do then need to go through that low period, it’s like going cold turkey from any addiction, see http://video.vsh.org/lisle.html The Monel Chemical Senses Center apparently did a study that showed that you stop craving fat when you reduce your fat intake to around 11% or less, however I can’t find the original article. Dr McDougall has lately been saying that salt is ...
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The lastest Dr McDougall is saying is that salt is okay, see above.   [End]
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Are you still eating processed foods? When I was working on a construction site recently, I ended up being ”the only veggie in the village” and had to put up with beans on toast at the site’s greasy spoon. But I have to say, the salt in the processed beans and bread made me get an appetite for salt again. The only way for me to get rid of it now is to go through that nasty phase of the pleasure trap again, although from what Dr McDougall has said recently in his Nov 2009 VSH video, maybe I needn’t bother. Obviously your case is different though. Apart from avoding processed foods and allow ...
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Good question. First of all, I did not know about plant based nutrition when I started fasting. However I got an ”appetite reset”, and suddently friends of mine were expressing shock at me eating an apple. It just came instinctively. Other people fasting tried to follow me, but most went into a fasting loop. Fast, binge, fast, binge. Then I learned about eating disorders, and was told by the administrator of http://www.somethingfishy.org that people with eating disorders will use fasting to self destruct. It became fairly obvious that some people here have eating disorders, for exampl ... [Image Embedded Here]
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This was taken from a Wapedia article on T Colin Campbell’s book, The China Study”, which quotes the Eight Principles of Food and Health: 1. Principles of food and health In the book, the authors describe their eight principles of food and health [2] : Nutrition represents the combined activities of countless food substances. Vitamin supplements are not a panacea for good health. There are virtually no nutrients in animal-based foods that are not better provided by plants. Genes do not determine disease on their own, they must be activated or expressed, and ...
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I am not really a Christian, but I can’t help think of the Adan and Eve comparison, where they ate the so called forbidden fruit. If anything, I’d say us humans have freedom of choice, and we chose to eat meat, processed food because it tastes great, and plenty of other things. We don’t even think this matters, and we may just accept things and be unaware we are even making choices. We may even think they are good choices, for example athletes need protein don’t they? Well, no actually... We only become aware of our choices when things go wrong, and that’s if we are lucky. The usual ...
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Hi Sara, I have tons of McDougall DVDs and electures, but nothing specific on arthritis. I searched arthritis on his forums and came up with this, which may help http://www.drmcdougall.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=14549 - perhaps this is the one you found - if you want more specific answers go there and ask. The advice will be free. From that thread the response was to pursue an elimination diet, I quote: ”Unfortunately, if our patients have tried a strict gluten-free mcdougall diet and are still struggling with RA symptoms then the next step is an elimination diet. Some people g ... [Video Embedded Here]
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Jeff Novick also appears in the Cornell Plant Based Nutrition Course. His lecture is one hour, but some elements are here Basically, food manufactureres know you are looking for claims like ”low fat”, so will go out of their way to twist things around within the framework of existing legslation to give the food, or more correctly, the ”food like substance” that claim. The simplest solution is to avoid processed food. [Video Embedded Here]   [End]
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If having read up on plant based nutrition, you think it is the right way to go, your problems are only just beginning. The first problem will be overcoming the old addictions. Then there will be the friends and family, who will use psychological pressure to bring you back into the fold - especially coming up to Christmas (”I bought this turkey specially for you”). Then you’ll have to learn to cook new foods (or simply be lazy like me and buy a steamer). Then you’ll find that everywhere you go, there are adverts for junk food, money off vouchers, and she store shelves will be lined with ...
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Thanks Trimnut2. Pure salt is NaCl - sodium chloride only. Sea salt contains oceanic impurities and rock salt may contain some minerals. I don’t know how it is metabolized, and we can do without the addition of salt crystals for sure, but as most people are used to a processed diet containing sugar, fat and salt, and adding salt to meals, especially in the transitional period, is fine.   [End]
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That link requires a nign identity, but there are plenty of places that support raw food that are open websites. I am familiar with Ruth Heidrich, she appears in some of the DVDs I have. She is also featured on the McDougall site as a star McDougaller. http://www.drmcdougall.com/stars/star07_ruth-heidrich.html. I have added Dr McDougall’s comments below. At this stage, I am not really into raw. I live in a temperate zone and in the November 2008 VSH video (recently posted) Dr McDougall points out that the fact we developed an ability to survive on starch meant we could survive on t ... [Image Embedded Here]
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On the carbs, I added the words whole food to avoid any ambiguity. Regarding salt, here is Dr McDougall’s August 2008 Newsletter which reflects much of what was said in the November 2009 Vegetarian Society of Hawaii video. It is fully referenced, so I assume his conclusions are broadly correct. Dr McDougall is usually very thorough in his research before he makes a claim. The original newsletter can be viewed here and a printer friendly PDF is available here. Links open in a new window/tab. McDougall Newsletter, August 2008 Salt: The Scapegoat for the Western D ... [Image Embedded Here]
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Hi all, I lost 100 pounds here through water fasting, it’s a great thing. But it lead me on to different things, and I have travelled a long way on a path of discovery. Thus I have turned off email notifiations for this forum, but if you wish to reach me you can at forum 989, plant based nutrition http://curezone.org/forums/f.asp?f=989 Fasting is OK, but my view is you are what you eat, you are not what you don’t eat. Seasons greetings to all   [End]
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Hi Chrisb1 We all have different journeys, and water fasting was a very valuable experience for me. It led me on to new things. But now I think I have a divergent path. I did try publicising the info I had found on the Water Fasting Forum, but it was met with opposition. Perhaps that is not surprising, as people here want to fast, I wanted to eat. I have turned off notifications for this forum, but if anyone wants to reach me they can get me on my new forum. I’ll make a brief post about this. Best regards to all   [End]
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I wanted to include this video, and a summary / part transcript, to show the science behind this way of eating. My own background is legal and scientific, and I attach a lot of value to good science. As a legal investigator I was also trained to find the truth. I am pretty much convinced this is the truth... If you have 90 minutes, just sit back and watch. Judge for yourself. The Grand Rapids Community College Wellness Forum, Dr T Colin Campbell, co-author of the China Study 1 hour 31 mins Here is a summary, with times in square brackets after the paragraphs. START A ... [Video Embedded Here]
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Hi Doc10, Yes it would be good to go on a McDougall cruise or one of his 10 day courses for sure. But you can pick it up all for free on the web, or via stuff you buy from any of the doctors web sites. I am not sure if you are aware but there always have been subtle differences between the doctors, for example Joel Fuhrman likes to pursue nutrients, Caldwell Esselstyn is against oil, and Dr McDougall, from his experience, thinks that starch based diets are the answer. This came to a head at Expo 2006 when someone in the audience pointed out the difference, and asked a question. ... [Video Embedded Here]
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Hi doc10 welcome! Yeah same problems here with cooking, and with being sidetracked. I spend a few days working away, staying at a hotel, and all the food in shops had oil added. The hotel could only muster up a ”vegetarian lasagnia”, which came fries, garlic bread etc. I ate that one evening, then the next day had a delicious 5 bean salad, but it had oil added. I did not feel my usual self after a day or two of that. Now that I am home I am back to steamed vegetables and fruit and salad. That problem was part of the reason I asked for this forum. My short term solution will be to tak ...
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Hi all. My interests seem to have moved towards nutrition, so I have started a Plant Based Nutrition forum, which will be centred around the doctors and scientists who support this type of diet, namely John McDougall, T Colin Campbell, Caldwell Esselstyn, Pam Popper, Neal Barnard, Dean Ornish etc etc. Best regards http://curezone.org/forums/f.asp?f=989   [End]
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This one hour video is interesting... it was presented to the Vegetarian Society of Hawaii in April 2006 by Dr John McDougall http://video.vsh.org/McDougall.html I looked up the references in the video, and list them below to save you the effort: http://www.nealhendrickson.com/mcdougall/030400pudairyproductsfalsepromises.htm http://www.nealhendrickson.com/mcdougall/030500pudairyanddisease.htm http://www.nlm.nih.gov/ (search for Cow’s milk or Dairy products) You can download another video electure on milk by Dr McDougall, it’s free from his website at http://www.drmcdou ...
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The best book on Plant Based Nutrition is probably ”The China Study”. Here is the website http://www.thechinastudy.com/ and you can buy the book on Amazon.com http://www.amazon.com/China-Study-Comprehensive-Nutrition-Implications/dp/1932100385 or Amazon.co.uk http://www.amazon.co.uk/China-Study-Comprehensive-Nutrition-Implications/dp/1932100385. As of writing there are 650 Amazon USA reviews and 29 Amazon UK reviews. From one of the UK reviews: ”Campbell is no pie-in-the-sky visionary or nutritional quack with a bogus agenda, nor is he an animal rights activist trying to find justifi ...
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To provide information and support for people wishing to take up a plant based diet. What is a plant based diet? It is the type of diet that is supported by a group of eminent doctors and scientists, who generally agree that this is the correct diet for human beings. They also agree that the state of health is a natural state, and illness is not a normal state, but the food we eat plays a large contribution to our ill health. A plant based diet is ouir birthright. It’s the all concrete, television sets and manipulated research that makes us ”processed people”. It is very difficult ... [Video Embedded Here]
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Thanks, I have a lot to look into. But the Science currently points to plant based as being optimum diet, I am aware of raw claims and will try that one day probably, I am sure there is a lot in it, but I know of no good quality science that supports it as being favourable to cooked. By science I mean good quality peer reviewed research, such as Dr Campbell provided in the China Study book. Dr McDougall also speaks from many years of clinical practice, and has a list of people’s testimonies on his website. As this type of plant based eating can reverse cancer, heart diesease, diabetes e ...
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Thanks. I have limited time these days, because I am working and still learning stuff myself. I wanted this forum because I have been working away from home for sometime and found how difficult in was to eat plain whole foods. It was not pleasant to have to eat stuff which I know can do harm to me. I have not even thought out a forum strategy yet, though I guess my long term aim is to live amongst healthy people who are in harmony with and connected to the planet, and discover my full potential. In the short term I would like to educate others about this way of eating, having just st ...
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Many thanks :)   [End]
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Hi webmaster Did you get my request for a private forum? Many thanks   [End]
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