I didn’t really see any change, but it doesn’t matter Joe. You’ve earned my respect again by admitting a mistake, and you’ve done it twice now! Pretty soon I won’t be able to debate anything you say because I respect you too much, even if I believe you’re totally wrong. Nice Job! :-) You’ve rendered me almost powerless.   [End]
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Ah yes, my fault. I forgot you think THEY are the same. So why did John not mention any of this if IT’S GODS WORDS. Remember? Why aren’t they all the same exact words? Did God change the wording to each disciple, and forget to tell John?   [End]
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My oh my. I hate to tell you this, but it was YOU who asked that. http://curezone.com/forums/m.asp?f=290&i=13973 I was responding to your statement. So I guess you answered yourself? Sorry for interupting I guess.   [End]
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I think all you proved by that verse is that you’d be mad. Good verse though, more proof Jesus wasn’t God. Think about this. If you put a surprise present in your childs bedroom and the child thought it came from your husband instead, and thanked him, would you be mad? I have even given presents to stepchildren, and let them think it was other relitives that gave it. Or to strangers to give to their children to let the children think they gave it to them. It doesn’t matter who gets the glory for the present as long as it makes the childs heart glow. Would you expect Jesus or God to be l ...
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You believe verses about God are about Jesus, so what’s the difference?   [End]
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Notice no one ever answers the fun questions I ask? So I’ll ask you. If the Bible is the word of God, tell me why the disciples don’t have the same accounts of Jesus’ life? There are many differences. Here’s one for you to answer. Here’s three different accounts of just one statement by Jesus, and John never even said Jesus said it. So which account is true? If God had truly said it, or someone were actually recording what was being said, it would be the same in each book. Matthew 16:28 “Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see th ...
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”If there is only one God, then why must we believe in Jesus?” Because he lived & was the greatest example for anyone to follow. ”Why can’t we just believe in ”God” as we always have?” You can if you want. I believe in both. I follow Jesus to God. ”Under the Mosaic Law, a person could not approach God directly through the sacrificial system but had to approach Him by means of God’s chosen mediator, who was the Jewish High Priest.” True. It was one of Jesus’ message to show people you could find God, be close to God, & talk to God presonally without anyone else being a mediator. ...
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Notice half of what you posted is someone’s interpretation about Jesus. 99% of the other half is from books before Jesus walked the Earth, so that can be ignored. None of it has Jesus actually saying he was God. Jesus saying ”before Abraham was born, I am!” only means he lived before Abraham, which he did. Angels can say the same though. Also a lot of what you post on each phrase has nothing to do with the phrase. For instance in the ”I am” section: ”John 13:19, ”I am telling you now before it happens, so that when it does happen you will believe that I am He.” This has nothing to do with ...
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You miss the point twice here. I don’t think trapper thinks Jesus was ”only human”. I know I don’t. And, you missed the point of worship that we were talking about. There’s two different kinds of worship. Worship with the mouth, and worship with actions. We were talking the best form of worship, action. We worship and serve God only, using Jesus as the example, instead of interpreting Jesus was God and worshipping him. ”As the angels said to John: Worship God!”   [End]
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I think your conclusion is correct, and is what I’ve been saying. We don’t have to follow any laws if we live the life. Your reasoning to your conclusion is different than mine, but we both end up in the same place, so none of it matters. Like I’ve said, we are all on different paths that end up in the same place; if we truly seek the truth; God. And no matter what image we have of God we still end up there too. Will God be mad if someone thinks Jesus is God? No. Will Jesus be mad if someone thinks he isn’t God? No. Will either one be mad if someone thinks they are both God? No. It’s your ...
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Ok translate the verse you used to prove Jesus was God with the Greek Dictionary. Rewrite it & speak like we do now days. Like what I did with the verse. This should be interesting. John 12:44 ”Jesus cried out and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me.” I say it says, Jesus yelled out and said, those that believe my message, don’t believe in me, but believe in God that sent me. Jesus was telling people he wasn’t promoting himself, he was sent by God & promoting God.   [End]
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I’m going to talk about two different things here. What the word death means in the Bible, and show how the Bible isn’t the literal words of God. There are two different kinds of death in the Bible. One is literal death of the body where you get buried, and the other is dying & being reborn again. Being reborn is a death of the human, or worldly will, or desire. Jews didn’t understand that second death, or a spiritual kingdom. To them everything was physical, except God. A physical kingdom coming, (that never came) physical rituals, (that accomplished nothing spiritually) and a physical d ...
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I was going to agree with you totally. Then I started reading ”is jesus worthy of worship? yes” and was going to say, well you have it half right. Then I read ”he is in that we are to obey and imitate him.” I don’t obey, but I willingly follow and try to imitate, because I love God, Jesus, and their beliefs. But in your last statement I said wow! ”there is no greater form of worship than that.” You are so right, that is the highest form of worship! I thought you meant to pray to Jesus when you said worship, and I will NEVER do that. Good post Tman!   [End]
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”the Scriptures having many proofs that Jesus is God in the flesh” Not really, and NONE say this plainly. They did say basically when you see Jesus, you see God. Why would that be, when many times Jesus plainly said he wasn’t, by the evidence of what he said? He NEVER took any credit or glory for anything he did. If he was God don’t you think he would have said so, or took credit for some of the things he did? He wouldn’t have given the glory to God, or asked God to glorify him. Did he pray to himself? Was he saying he abandoned himself when he was on the cross? ”Jesus Christ is come ...
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”These statements imply that you do not believe that the Bible is the inerrent/infallible Word of God. If that is true, then I can understand how you could arrive at this alternate conclusion.” Yes, I don’t believe ”the Bible is the inerrent/infallible Word of God.” There wouldn’t be so many contradictions, different versions of the same story, different reasons for the same action, different types of God, and so on, if it was truly the word of God. The Jews had over 200 rules they had to follow, and they were all manmade rules, not Gods. Jesus basically called the rules white washed to ...
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”These statements imply that you do not believe that the Bible is the inerrent/infallible Word of God. If that is true, then I can understand how you could arrive at this alternate conclusion.” Yes, I don’t believe ”the Bible is the inerrent/infallible Word of God.” There wouldn’t be so many contradictions, different versions of the same story, different reasons for the same action, different types of God, and so on, if it was truly the word of God. The Jews had over 200 rules they had to follow, and they were all manmade rules, not Gods. Jesus basically called the rules white washed to ...
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I didn’t say I was going to bow down and worship her or anything like that. God is the one.   [End]
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Hey I’m just curious. Do you people see God working in your life honestly? Do you see things happening in yourself and your world you thought would never be possible before becoming Christian? Maybe I started from a lower level than most, but I do see God working in my life doing things I thought impossible. I see a sequence of events that have happened in my life since becoming Christian, that prepares me for the next event, and the next, and so on. I realize this could be one of the dumbest questions I’ve asked, because you all can probably say the same thing, but can you verify this fo ...
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Good Post Bman! I know you think I use too much human reasoning, but these are the least standards we can use to verify truth. If the message doesn’t pass that standard it certainly won’t pass Gods, because God is above human standards. Just look at how Jesus operated. He would use human reasoning to hook the listener, and then jack it up a notch to the holy level and blow them away. There is a order to how you have to deliver the message. You can’t start out at the holy level first, and then take them back to the human level. Also after I wrote that post I realized I should have used more ...
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Good luck amigo! I was in a situation like that recently. I just moved on to something better, that I believe God had in store for me.   [End]
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I just picked out a document called ”His Mother’s Letter”, and read part of it. It’s letters back to her children. What I see is kind of like a diary of one winter, and the letters she wrote back to her children while her and her husband were away trying to save souls for God. The things she says are in what’s in the Bible, and what Christians today say, or what someone in here might say. After reading this I see a good Christian that lived in harsh circumstances trying make the best of it while doing God’s will. ”Continue to strive to be faithful in all things. Be faithful, children, i ...
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”Sin against The Holy Spirit was a condition of the nation Isreal. The sin was that Isreal rejected The Messiah who The Holy Spirit was bearing witness to. It has no application to The Church Age Believer.” Well that’s good to hear, but what’s with ”The Church Age Believer”? You mean Christian? ”I just can’t find Scriptural backing for this.” I’m not trying to be mean here, realize I’m talking calmly and with love. I’ve told you, all answers aren’t in the Bible. All truths aren’t in the Bible. All that’s in the Bible isn’t God’s word. ”What matters is intent.” Ok, is it a sin t ...
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”Sin against The Holy Spirit was a condition of the nation Isreal. The sin was that Isreal rejected The Messiah who The Holy Spirit was bearing witness to. It has no application to The Church Age Believer.” Well that’s good to hear, but what’s with ”The Church Age Believer”? You mean Christian? ”I just can’t find Scriptural backing for this.” I’m not trying to be mean here, realize I’m talking calmly and with love. I’ve told you, all answers aren’t in the Bible. All truths aren’t in the Bible. All that’s in the Bible isn’t God’s word. ”What matters is intent.” Ok, is it a sin t ...
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I believe Jesus is the son of God like he said. He manifested God’s will like no one else has or will. He came from Heaven, died and rose again, (the ”second coming”) and went back to Heaven to be at God’s right side just like the Bible says. Jesus said his ”second coming” would happen in the disciples life time, and it did. Yet Christians have been waiting, and waiting, and waiting, and will continue to do so until they learn. The disciples couldn’t get it through their heads Jesus was going to die either. I think maybe we should take Jesus’ word like he said it, instead of adding stuff t ...
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He didn’t answer fast enough, so I’ll try and predict his answer. The verses he posted say ”Jesus Christ is come in the flesh”, not ”Jesus is God in the flesh” like you just posted. In my opinion, this shows how people that believe Jesus was God see verses different from what is actually written, which is required to have that belief. There is a difference I believe. One is literal, and one is interpreted.   [End]
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I’m not debating with you Beej. I just wanted to say I tried to look her up, and only found books you could buy. This immediately sends up a red flag with me. Jesus said something like give others freely what I have given you freely. I think she probably didn’t charge for her writings. I was just wondering if you knew somewhere online you can read what she said freely?   [End]
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Good answer Bman! I was hoping you weren’t going there. In other words they’re nothing more than all Christians are anyway. Unperfect souls always striving to improve and please him. Good fruit Bman! As far as sin, the ”best” Christian is no better than the ”worst” sinner in Gods eyes. We all are sinners, and no sin is any better or worse. (I know you’re going to lay the sin againt the Holy Spirit thing on me, but I don’t believe God is prejudice to types of sin or anything. God is above all that petty stuff.) It’s sin, and that’s all. What matters is intent. God see’s sinners striving fo ...
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”it is as if they think god wouldnt let people be wrong for so long. he didnt.” Yep, they were/are wrong. But not to worry, God’s will will win in the end.   [End]
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Ouch. Mental overload. Too many topics to debate. (Head spins around and explodes) I just feel bad for all the millions of Christians who don’t believe as you do. Lake of Fire for them?   [End]
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Yep the antichrist was around before Abraham.   [End]
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I was wondering what your email address is. Mine is golfegg@hotmail.com   [End]
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Yes you could say that, but that’s not what I meant.   [End]
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Well I respect you for stating your beliefs. I respect someone who can lay it all on the line, and I’m not about to stomp on any of it, because I know in the end you will succeed, because I know you REALLY try trapper. If I tried to guide you in any way, I would probably be wrong. So all I will say is for myself, I try to keep it more simple. Go Trapper!   [End]
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No. Maybe the last days of ignorance. The ”last days” and the ”second coming” in the Bible already came just about two thousand years ago. I’m waiting for the third coming! (ducks from all the punches coming :-) ) Don’t worry I’m not commenting on this one. If you don’t understand what I’ve said before, you’ll never understand this one.   [End]
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” We have physical bodies that contain our eternal souls or spirits. While in physical form on Earth we create our realities by the choices and actions that we make in our daily lives which are based upon our beliefs about ourselves and all that exists, and there are many different aspects of creativity that we employ. Compared to God, yes, we are definitely in infant form. But who is to say that God has not been where we are today at some point in his/her existance and that we at some point in our distant future can not become creators ourselves?” I agree with all that. In answering yo ...
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So can you tell me what you found out of your study?   [End]
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I believe it was you who was making conditions for us to communicate by? I believe it was you who said ”keep playing your game in here boys”? or something like that.   [End]
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Ok trapper. I’m not here to condemn you in any way. You know what I said about everybody on the path. I totally respect you and your path. You seem to not want to communicate with me, so I’ll leave you alone. By the way it’s not a game.   [End]
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Hey I like your attitude! I’ll have to read those links you posted. Sounds like possibly something new for me to explore. I’ve read a lot of the Gnostic and Aprcophyl (I know that’s spelled wrong) books already. celestinelight. hmmm :-) ”How can we be created in God’s image (Genesis 26-27) if God does not have a form? God is the creator of everything in this Universe, yes, but that does not mean that he/she has no form.” Well I believe the ”image” isn’t the physical part. I believe it’s the creator part. I believe we are both physical and spiritual. We can do anything if we believe, so ...
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Yes, knowledge can be truth. The power definition is something I’ll have to explore. Good post though Angel!   [End]
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Ok batchman, you’re sounding like a broken record. I have to give you a nudge. What does being born again mean to you?   [End]
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Ok. But if a tree falls and no one heres it, does it make a sound?   [End]
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Lol. Man I totally forgot about having to write ”I will not talk in class” 25 times each time I talked. I did it so much I went home and wrote it ahead of time, and just handed it to him when he caught me. But seriously trapper, Jesus said ”the kingdom is at hand.” This didn’t mean it was coming, it meant it is here, right now. Do you think Gods kingdom wasn’t here before Jesus came? Gods kingdom has been here even before creation. Gods will has always been done. God knows all the bad things that are going to happen. Why does God let them happen anyway? Because God knows in the end Gods ...
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Yes I agree, without Paul we probably wouldn’t be Christians now. He was the greatest as far as spreading the word.   [End]
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Ok had to watch some football. Ok first of all John 17:3 says “And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.” God sent him. “4I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.” Jesus glorified God not himself and did the work God gave him to do. “5And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. “ Jesus asked God to glorify him personally, and return hid glory he had before the world was made. “6I have manifest ...
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Ok, I will re-read it. But again it was written by John who probably understood Jesus’ message the most.   [End]
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Tom, I meant it’s only one example of prayer, and a great one. This type of prayer is the first type of prayer, and living prayer is the second. Your amendment is right. Most consider trespass as sin, so I didn’t change that.   [End]
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”It is very silly and immature (spiritually speaking).” It’s not silly and immature. It’s the first stage of prayer. Living prayer is the second.   [End]
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Have you ever noticed all your evidence of Jesus being God are mans words, or false Jewish beliefs? Now did you mean John 1:17? ”For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.” Are you trying to say no one but God can have grace and truth? GRACE — favor or kindness shown without regard to the worth or merit of the one who receives it and in spite of what that person deserves. Grace is almost always associated with mercy, love, compassion, and patience. TRUTH — conformity to fact or actuality. I’m sure the both of us can show both of these q ...
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Good points AJ! Again you pointed out no self-glorification is the key.   [End]
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I have no idea what you’re saying. First: ”being born again can only take place after the child has formed in the womb. you dont put new wine in old wineskins, do you? i aint never seen no born again anybody! and it doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure that much out!!!!” And Now: ”a child doesnt form over night. neither is it a single party event. it takes two to tango. ”before i formed you in the womb, i knew you” sound familiar? we are the female and provide the womb for the child to come, the new creature.” Being reborn again is living by Gods will not ours, and I know yo ...
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Well the two times I remember Jesus ”praying” in front of others is that prayer, which wasn’t really a prayer, but an example for the disciples to learn from, and when Jesus raised Lazarus from the grave, which wasn’t really a prayer either, but was said to show people God had sent Jesus. (Another example showing Jesus wasn’t God, which I know you believe trapper) I know Jesus blessed the bread before he broke it to feed thousands, which I think was a form of prayer, and he did twice. The Lords prayer is not what we should pray all the time, it is only one example of HOW we should pray. ...
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”isnt that what i said?” If you say so. ”i am not YOUR judge.” Nope. ”thats up to you.” If you say so. Anyway, all I did was state more specfic instances to pray in front of others, and said the goal is to glorify God, and not glorify us. All I did was add to what you said. I didn’t attack the message. What does you not being my judge, and it being up to me, have to do with it?   [End]
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”being born again can only take place after the child has formed in the womb.” Ok so what are you trying to say? Did you think I was saying only a child that hasn’t been formed in the womb yet can be born again?   [End]
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Being born again is living by Gods will, instead of your will. The way to see this in someone is when you see holy virtues lived, or Gods will being seen in someone, not their will. Their will has died and been replaced it with Gods. You are God’s lover, and when He comes, not a single hair of you will remain. You are a shadow in love with the sun. The sun comes, and the shadow is quickly gone. Both a swimmer and a drowned man are in the water; the latter is moved by the water and controlled by it, while the swimmer is moved along by his own power and of his own volition. Every movem ...
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Yes the church reminds me of the medical establishment. They’re out of a job if they don’t have sick people. So the goal isn’t healing physically or spiritually. The goal is dependence on the church, or the medical establishment.   [End]
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I think it’s ok in some instances like showing someone how to pray, or when you’ve been asked to pray before a meal, or like when my wife had cancer, to pray for her to be healed so she believed more that she would be healed. It’s not that you can’t pray in front of others ever. The key is not glorifying yourself in the process, which Jesus did on a few occasions. Glorifying God is the key.   [End]
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Ok it was Wayne Dyer. I’m more of the Jed type, instead of Jethro anyway. I was just wondering why your nick is Thorn? By the way, I finally finished my sotry on ozone, and snowman from the cancer forum, is starting to put it on his site. http://alternativecancer.us/ozone.htm It’s going to be on two other sites too, so the word’s getting out to more people. Hope your battle with getting the truth out is going well too! My wife and I bought a couple of pregnancy tests. She did hers last weekend and isn’t. I’m doing mine this weekend to see if I’m ”pregnant”. I want to try it on someone ...
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I just want to show what I think the two phrases “the light” and “the word” mean in the Bible. I believe they both basically mean the same thing. Either the truth in God, or the words God spoke, except when it “plainly” says, “God is light.” When Jesus said he was the light of the world, it didn’t mean he provided all the light in the world like the sun does, or some physical light. It was some other kind of light, and I say it means truth. Also darkness means illusion. Now read the verses below and see what your definition of light could be. And there will be no night there; and th ...
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”Yet always on display!” Not ”always” my friend. I have only prayed in front of someone else maybe 5 times at the most. ”Sorry yalls I thought this was a debate forum?” Anything else you’d like to debate? ”And no answer to your mystery profit!” It’s not Pat, that’s for sure. I think his head would start spinning around, and his head would explode, if he tried to live by those words.   [End]
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One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. We are all parts of one body, we have the same Spirit, and we have all been called to the same glorious future. 5For us there is only one God, one faith, one baptism, 6and we all have the same God who is over us all and in us all, and living through every part of us. Ephesians 4:4 God did this so that people would seek God and perhaps reach out for God and find God though God is not far from each one of us. ”Because in God we live and move and have our being”. Acts 17:27-28 Heaven is Gods thrown & the Ea ...
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Christ taught that we should pray alone and silently, and by ourselves; and, so to speak, conversing alone with God alone, with pure and undistracted mind (Mt. 6:5-7). My heart was drawn out of all worldly concerns and placed in God in such a manner that I could neither think of nor see anything except God. Whether I spoke or ate, or whatever I did, it did not prevent my heart from always being in God. Whenever I wanted to depart from prayer in order to eat, I would first ask his permission. And he would grant it to me, saying: ”Go and eat with the blessing of God. A person is trul ...
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Tomi, I’m really happy you understand about God in us now, and I’m happy trapper can write his concepts so well, so people can understand them. I have a problem explaining the concepts to others. I know them but... I just wanted to comment on what you said: ”i saw God spiritually,a father,inside me.someone to guide me. it was a great feeling,to know that have God’s spirit with me all the time. to accept God he had to be my Father,my mentor,my whole being. there was no confusion, now i could get on with my life knowing that his love is with both me and my family,i am filled with jo ...
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Can you guess who wrote this? Abundance: Abundance is knowing you have everything you need to be happy, & then being able to celebrate every moment in life. Acceptance: The more you have a loving, accepting view of everything, then you’ll see all the rest of the pieces fitting together. Once you don’t need the lessons that unpleasent events teach you, they will disappear from your life. You are partners with all humans, not any better or worse. Everything that is happening is supposed to happen, learn acceptance. Give unconditional love & acceptance to everyone & see wh ...
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Here’s visions, or quotes from Christianity on the light: ”As Moses came down from the mountain bearing the two tablets of the Pact, Moses was not aware that the skin of his face was radiant, since he had spoken with Him. Aron and all the Israelites saw that the skin of Moses’ face was radiant; and they shrank from coming near him. But Moses called to them, and Aaron and all the chieftains in the assembly returned to him, and Moses spoke to them. Afterward all the Israelites came near, and he instructed them concerning all that the LORD had imparted to him on Mount Sinai. And when Moses ...
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I just want to say you hit the nail right on the head with all that you said! ”frankly, i think what we have is so wonderful and yet so unappreciated for what it is.” Yes the kingdom is inside us and very few really realize it, or know how to live in it. There is such wonder and amazement in everything in life, if we just live it. It’s there for everyone, if we only believe. Just like the Bible says. That’s why I say read the Bible, keep it in your heart, throw it away and then live it. You can’t live it if you just read it. ”all i see in the scriptures is that we can.” Soo true! M ...
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Yep I hear you! Been there and done that too. I hope I got the message across that I was talking about God living in your heart leading us.   [End]
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It saddens me to see how people can read the Bible and not see the truth about the heart in it. So I will try to explain. One person can read the following about the heart being evil, and think the heart is an evil thing. “For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:” Another person can read the following verse about the heart, and think the heart is a good thing. “For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.” The truth is, the heart is what you choose to make it. “for out of the abundance of the heart t ...
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I’m still here shouting from the roof tops. http://curezone.com/forums/m.asp?f=254&i=1529 Take Care, Gaylen   [End]
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No it’s not the answer. It’s treating a symptom, of a symptom. A tumor in the breast caused by cancer. It does nothing to treat the cause of the tumor, or the cause for the cancer. It’s like taking the motor out of the car because it won’t run. You still can’t drive anywhere. Hope you can convince her otherwise. Take care, Gaylen   [End]
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The lungs are a great place to collect toxins. If it was me, I would have the ozone machine on 24/7 in the room with you. Keep on your plan, and increase the ozone. Like you said this is only a hiccup, don’t be effected by it. Keep the unflenching faith. Take Care, Gaylen   [End]
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Hi Sharon, My wife gets edema every now and then, and eats watermelon for it, and it seems to work. I don’t know about the protein drink, I can’t see how it would help. If I had to eat protein, I would eat the blue algee grown organically. It’s the highest protien content of anything on Earth. Also things like pinapple and lemons seem to be acidic when tested by science, but in reality do not make the body more acidic. Take Care, Gaylen   [End]
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I just want to say my wife had cancer twice. We tried doing as many things as we could afford that Dr. Clark says. It made my wife worse so we stopped. We eventually found ozone, and it cured her both times without bad effects. I would also like to say Dr. Clarks claim about parasties was true for my wife and her mom who both had cancer. I don’t believe parasties cause all cancers though. I have talked to quite a few people who have cancer and they have done the parastie cleanse without any parasites coming out. So I would have to say it can possibly cause cancer, but isn’t the cause for ...
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The so-called ”Sermon on the Mount” is not the gospel of Jesus. It does contain much helpful instruction, but it was Jesus’ instructions to the twelve apostles, not the multitudes. It was the qualities he wanted to see in them, and the message to be preached. It was the Jesus’ personal message to those who were to go on preaching the gospel or aspiring to represent Jesus in the world as he was so eloquently and perfectly representative of his Father. ” Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but ...
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The point of all this was, if Adam was the first human and worshipped God, ALL other faiths are a different branch, or denomination of that same vine, or faith, and shouldn’t be persecuted or condemned for these beliefs. Every religion contains truth. Every religion has man mixed into it, and no religion is totally true. If anyone truly seeks God they will find God, no matter where the starting point is. Like trapper said, I see no one including myself, that are ”moving mountains” or anything else that would prove any religion is any greater than any other religion, or any person is any b ...
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Lol Is was going to say something about that, but now I don’t have to. :-)   [End]
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”Orbitally Rearranged Monoatomic Elements” That’s a new one for me. Fancy colloidal metals? ”oxygen is awesome, in all of its forms.” Yes. Ozone is best form. O3 instead of O2. ”i would like to get an ozonator someday.” http://www.plasmafire.com has the best. I have the beta model.   [End]
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I was just kidding about my gardening skills.   [End]
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Yes colloidal metals can cure bacterial & virus problems, but the ultimate detoxer and health enhancer is ozone. Can they get rid of 18 tumors?   [End]
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I just wanted to say for those concerned about any virus, bacteria, fungus, mold, cancer, or about 300 other diseases. Ozone & raw foods.   [End]
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Hey, I can make just about any plant I buy die. Does that count? I’m still working on weeds though. I seem to have no influence over them yet.   [End]
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Jesus saw God as being holy, just, and great, as well as being true, beautiful, and good. All these attributes of divinity he focused in his mind as the ”will of the Father in heaven.” He experienced the tranquility of supreme and unquestioned trust IN God and felt the tremendous thrill of living, by faith, in the very presence of the heavenly Father. This triumphant faith was a living experience of actual spirit attainment. Never in the life of any mortal, did God ever become such a living reality as in the life of Jesus of Nazareth. In the human life of Jesus, faith was personal, livin ...
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Here is a review of the world’s major religions. BUDDHISM Buddhism came to being a great and beautiful religion without God, without a personal and universal Deity. Their earliest beliefs reflected some of the influence of the teachings of the Melchizedek missionaries who continued their work in India even to the times of Buddha. They taught: ”Out of a pure heart shall gladness spring forth to the Infinite; all my being shall be at peace with this supermortal rejoicing. My soul is filled with content, and my heart overflows with the bliss of peaceful trust. I have no fear; I am fre ...
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The story of Jonah is a parable, or metaphor, not someone actually being swallowed by a whale, and spit out again three days later. We are all Jonahs with lives to live in harmony with Gods will. At all times when we try to escape the responsibility of living by running away, we put ourselves in immediate control of those influences that are not directed by God. The flight from responsibility is a sacrifice of truth. The escape from the service of light and life can only result in conflicts with the whales of selfishness that lead eventually to darkness and death unless God abandoning Jon ...
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Continuing with this and TCF’s discussion, cancer is a survival mechanism, AND a symptom. The REAL cause for all disease is deficiency and/or toxicity. I bet Andreas probably says this in his book because he’s pretty wise. If he doesn’t, he missed the target, and should have thought it out a little better before he wrote the book. I know Andreas is spiritual too, and will probably include the spiritual aspect in his book as a cause for disease. This is also a symptom though. In this case a deficiency of spiritualism, or proper attitude. Sick, unpositive, or unloving thoughts cause disease ...
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Jesus wondered, when the time comes for me to go forth as a world teacher, what should I call myself? By what name should I be called by the people who would become believers in my teachings? Jesus found a passage in the so-called Book of Enoch (46:3) that influenced him to later adopt the term ”Son of Man” as a name for his mission on Earth. He had thoroughly considered the idea of the Jewish Messiah and was firmly convinced that he was not to be the Messiah Jews were waiting for. He really desired to help his father’s people, but he never was going to lead Jewish armies in overthrowing ...
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1. The Gospel of Mark. Mark wrote the earliest, (except the notes of Andrew) briefest, and most simple record of Jesus’ life. He presented Jesus as a minister, as man among men. Although Mark was a child present at many of the scenes that he describes, his record is in reality the Gospel according to Peter. He was early associated with Peter; later with Paul. Mark wrote this record at the request of Peter and on the earnest request of the church of Rome. Knowing how consistently Jesus refused to write out his teachings while on earth and in the flesh, Mark, like the apostles and other disc ...
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None of us now, but maybe the question should be who is going to step up & become it?   [End]
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Evil is the unconscious or unintended transgression of the Father’s will. Evil is also the measure of the imperfectness of obedience to the Father’s will. Sin is the conscious, knowing, and deliberate transgression of the Father’s will. Sin is the measure of unwillingness to be divinely led and spiritually directed. Iniquity is the willful, determined, and persistent transgression of the Father’s will. Iniquity is the measure of the continued rejection of the Father’s loving plan, and the Sons’ merciful ministry of salvation.   [End]
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The three ways of dealing with, and resisting evil: 1. To return evil for evil--the positive but unrighteous method. 2. To suffer evil without complaint and without resistance--the purely negative method. 3. To return good for evil--to apply the will to become master of the situation, to overcome evil with good--the positive and righteous method.   [End]
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Pure in heart = honest, sincere, love of the living truth, virtuous living, holiness, spiritual purity, divine, unselfish. Jesus placed great value upon sincerity--a pure heart.   [End]
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puppies, there are MANY that have been treated like that in the church. sincere God loving people. That is what God doesn’t take lightly. Making people run from God. Not as much teaching ”false” doctrine. The truth straightens that out. trapper, you are on the path, and very near.   [End]
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I thing the person who totally followed your advise would have to worlds worst rash, but the cancer would be gone within three months FOR SURE no matter where it was! :-) Good advice dj! I like your style! What did Bush call it when they attacked Iraq? Awe and distruction? That’s what your advice is like. The poor cancer cells would be jumping out of the body trying to escape! Take Care, Gaylen   [End]
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The body is like a car kind of. Just because the motor stops running you don’t automatically assume you need a new motor. The car could just be out of gas. There is a series of tests you do to find out what the problem really is. It’s the same with the body. I would assume the doctors are right and start with checking out if it’s an allergie, or infection of some kind. I would breath ozone, take silver, maybe put some H2O2 into a cup and breath the fumes, or drink H2O2, maybe take oragano oil. It wouldn’t be the first time antibotics didn’t work, that’s for sure. You couls also eat severa ...
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hi sharon, yes, the info on the therapy looks promising, but their statement, that ozone treatment only wouldn’t help your mom in her stage of cancer sounds extremely suspicious to me. ozone has been reported to heal cancer even in the most advanced and hopeless stages. upon visiting their site - i guess we are talking about the dove clinic here - my suspicions were confirmed. in my opinion they are no hardcore alternative medicine believers. they do promote ozone therapy but probably don’t have much experience with it, or are afraid to go it all the way. why do i think this: 1. they of ...
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I just wanted to correct one thing here. Paul didn’t USE the idol to an unknown God. Paul was walking through Rome and was looking at all the different idols to all the various Gods in Rome. He noticed the idol to the unknown God they had, & Paul SAW this as a way to introduce God to them. But in the end the Romans didn’t believe. Yet it was a nice try.   [End]
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Here’s where you can get a meter to measure ozone levels. http://www.ecosensors.com/ez1x.html Don’t know how much it costs.   [End]
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1. I asked: ”Are Christian pastors mystic?” The quote didn’t say Christian Pastors are mystic did it? So I assume you mean yes? Your quote didn’t have ANYTHING to do with mystics either. Like I said, the Bible doesn’t have all the answers does it? That’s why it says those that seek will find. 2. I said: ”You seem to think ALL truth is in the Bible. It’s not, and is why you can’t disprove my statements in the Bible.” Once again, none of the quotes, which were many, said anything about the Bible having all truth in it. By the way, I do believe the Bible has many truths in it. Also I belie ...
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Why are you eating it? I think it’s only supposed to be used only on the skin. I took a big does 1 time. (about an ounce) I had green poop for three days and was nausea really bad the first day. I won’t take it internally any more. That was the reason I didn’t want to do liver cleanses. I finally got the courage up and did them anyway, and drank 4 ounces of olive oil and didn’t have any side effects. It might be like some kind of liver cleanser, but the side effects are too much for me. So do like 2tuff says. Drink the ozonated water.   [End]
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The only way I can love people that are hard to love is picture Jesus on the cross saying ”Forgive them for they know not what they do.” Then I can forgive anyone or anything. Lol the dmv lady ;-)   [End]
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