Look for now just don’t get your lips wet. When taking a shower, tilt your head back so water does not get on your lips. When drinking use a straw. When eating put the food in your mouth with a fork or spoon, dont touch your lips. And if eating a hamburger or sandwich then try to pull off a piece with your fingers and put it in your mouth. I know it sucks but it will slowy get better so you dont have to keep so guarded. Is your tongue white?   [End]
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What drug is he going to give you intravenously?   [End]
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I hope I am. And I will defintitely keep everyone informed. I have got one of the best doctors/researchers in the country helping me.   [End]
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You may not see inflamation outwardly because the inflamtion may be deep such as lymphatic inflamation. The peeling occurs cause the lower level inflamation produces oxidation which will compromise the skin at surface. Detoxifying helps because the immune system is made stronger. It just makes sense that if you lower allergens, toxins, bacterial load etc your immune system becomes stronger. It is interesting that when the immune system is stonger this disease seems to get better. I have 2 theories on this... 1. either a bacteria or virus or fungus is causing this and ther ...
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The Doctor is a dermetologist with a university in the US. I will tell you the cutting edge approach when I have tried it. Reason I don’t want to say now is people have tendency to go out and try things out of desperation which is understandable. I will let you guys know when I ahve determined if it works or did not work.   [End]
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Been trying many things, methodically looking for a cure. Things that I have learned: 1. many of us have chelitis granulmatosa. 2. lowered immune system and stress causes immune system to react angainst some antigen. That antigen can be anything like mycobacterium, yeast food or trauma (causes autoimmune to self). I found in my case trauma (going to dentist who pulled my mouth open ofr an hour), stress and lowered immunity all combined to cause this conditon. 3. It results in chronic inflamation and the lip surface is not intact. As a result the lip reacts against this ch ...
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He is not advertising you dummy. You can use any mouthwash with cetylpyridinium chloride which is the active ingredient in crest. Walgreens brand is very good also. I too have had some success with this. Gets rid of bacterial / fungal overgrowth. However not sure if its a cure since inflamation is still present but it does keep the bacterial/fungal levels low which prevents compounding infection on surface of lips. Also limit sugars/carbs and no dairy...thhat also helps Also its important floss every day !   [End]
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Do not waste your time scrubbing or putting topical stuff on your lips. They will never heal that way! You will waste time , money and make your lips worse. Make sure you have no trauma done to lips like going to dentist. Don’t bite or pick at your lips. This is a deep inflamtion. Nothing topical will ever help. The peeling is a response to the deep inflamation. Chances are you have cheiltis granulomatosa. But you need to cure the innflamtion to cure this disease or try surgery. IF doing surgery make sure surgury is done by right plastic surgeon and make sure full vvermillionecto ...
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It may. However once established it seems to be chronic. And as granulomas develop and the lip gets bigger its harder to heal without surgery. However anti TNF alpha medications like Infliximab might cause total resolution. Wellbutrin an anti depressant is also a anti-TNF. Someone else in this forum said their was healed by 3-4 weeks of steriods starting at 40mg first week and tappering down 5mg every week.   [End]
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I am convinced lip stretching at dentist or trauma (like seriously biting your lips) causes this condition. Make sure at the dentist you do not let them put holders in your mouth to keep your mouth stretched open. Tell the dentist you will just open your mouth. Our lips are sensitive. THe trauma starts a chain of underlying inflmation which does not go away. This inflamation can also cause granulomas to develop which then cause the lip to get bigger and cause more peeling to occur. Leave the lips alone. Do not stretch, bite them or pull on them.   [End]
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Note that there is caffiene in chocolate.   [End]
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In talking to a friend whose house i was over when he got EC one thing that we did realize we that was similiar is we both went to the dentist where our lips stretched by plastic holders to keep the mouth open. This kind of trauma, or trauma associated with biting the lips or clenching them tight or pulling on them could be a factor. Never pull pinch or bite the lips. In my previous post I mentioned macrolide antiboitics. He was sick and doctor gave him antbitoics plus he had a high fever , vomiting and was stressed. Its important to narrow down potential causes so we don’t make ...
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Saw first hand someone get this over a 5 day period! Perfect lips to start and then chelitis/swollen peeling lips after 5 days Some possible causes occured over these 5 days. 1. he took a macrolide antibiotic, Z-pac/azithromycin (there are others in that class like eyrythromicin) This was for sinus infection. But think that had negative affect as he started throwing up, got a sore throat and lips started to chap. At end of 5 days he had swollen peeling lips 2. he took acetominophen also to keep fever down. Not sure if this caused it cause he took the acetominphen after the an ...
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Everything very similar to you except I’ve never taken drugs.   [End]
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I have post that show what I eliminated Like you I am wheat free and I take fish oil supplements which seem to have helped. What dosage for both medicines did your doc give you?   [End]
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It will but I have found with these rare conditions that the person doing the biopsy does not properly diagnose it. For example my biopsy said actinic cheilitis(which means caused by the sun). It was not that and I even took 5-FU cream to to prove it. So a lot time these biopsies are wrongly diagnosed and depends on skill level of person doing biopsy. Also note if your lip is nodular (when you run tongue along the bottom you feel a bump(s)) this could indicate OFG.   [End]
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You have a real smart doctor....he knows what he is doing.. make sure you stick with him/her. Did he give you the minocycline first and is that when you saw improvment or have you been taking both of these at the same time from the start? The second drug is an anti inflamatory/anti autoimmune I’ve had the same thought as your doctor. Orofacial granulamtosis / autoimmune. I was going to try your doctors route but first I wanted try reducing foods that have been known to cause this OFG which is sometimes thought to be caused by allergy. I have cut out foods that through medical ...
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very interesting...I knew you would say that. Minocycline a tetracycline. Its used for orofacial granulomatosis and I have been meaning to try it myself. Also its used for acne and they are used for their anti-inflamatory properties as well as their ability to bind mycobacteria It good that you are doing well. do you know what other antibiotic he i s going to give you...?   [End]
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you cant get then reduce. you need full vermillionectomy.   [End]
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what antibiotic are you on ... a tetracycline? Can you give me the name?   [End]
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The surgery was a vermillionectomy. It was done by doctor on park ave in ny. It cured him. The whole vermillion area was removed via wedge disection. He was happy and still is.....no problems. I even have the doctors name who did it but you can mail me for the name. Just make sure the whole verimillion area is removed.   [End]
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no dandruff... have hay fever.   [End]
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If he surgically remvoed part of his lip then he took my advice. That would explain it.   [End]
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First of all if its this bad you should consider surgery. Secondly something you are ingesting or applying on your body is causing your issues. What is your diet like?   [End]
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Well said right bro...never give up. Patiently perservere   [End]
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I have kissed my wife and did not pass anything to her. However her immune system might be stronger than your girlfriends. I believe many things come together to cause this such as bacteria/fungus, allergy and immune system issues. However dont jump to conclusions. See how she does. And don’t act like you gave it to her unless you know for sure. Peoples lips do chap.   [End]
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Are her lips swollen and peeling?   [End]
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Never take soy ...its a toxin Uses Whey Protein powder pure....its alkaline   [End]
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Thats not a bad thought.... I had parakeets and fish tanks. You can catch certain diseases from both that can cause this.   [End]
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dont be a fool. you ahve chapped lips not EC   [End]
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if the doctor did wedge disection you should be ok.... unless he cut the muscle... Always go to the best plastic surgeon that has done this many times before. I’ve seen plastic surgery do wonders of this disease.   [End]
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then you must have something else in addition. EC affects the vermillion border of the lips. And most people have inflamed lips so reducing the size is a plus. Dont get it done. I’m just telling you what I know that positively helped another individual. By the way this person had it done 15 years ago and he still looks great.   [End]
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Keep the faith guys. Its tough. If you can’t take it anymore look up plastic surgeons who do lip reductions (use the best). Have him/her remove the entire vermilion section of your lip via wedge disection. Then the problem will go away. You will have stitches on your lips for around 2 weeks but it will be worth it. Did I get this done? No. A person I know with same condition did. I’m looking for cures. But make sure the whole vermillion section of the lip is removed and betteryet ask suregeon to remove a little more. peace.   [End]
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Thats true. But I read Tynolol and certain antibiotics cause liver damage. Anything really depends on the person.   [End]
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You would need to use after every meal and right before you go to bed (and dont drink or eat anything after you use it before bed). One other thing...I have been on a benzaote/paraben/PABA free diet. And when I took bactrim which is a PABA analog it cause my lips to inflame like crazy. This tells me that benzoate have something to do with the issue. I am also wheat and milk free(not sure if this is having an affect but it maybe). I will keep trying to see if this works.   [End]
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My gums are perfect. No infection. However that being said when I started using the mouthwash that I gave a link to the peeling decrease a lot. Also my problems started after going to the dentist. The dental assistant was doing deep flossing and I think she stirred things up. Also I think there could be either hidden infections or it what I think it might be is that our lips are inflamed. This inflamation compromises the lip barrier such that bacteria and fungi get in and cause the peeling. So when we keep our mouth clean less bacteria can get in the inflamed lips and less peeling occ ...
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It can cause harm long term. However lawyers sue over everything to make money. They are nuts. my brother used for ulcerative colitis. IT did wonders for him. Its saved a lto of people. Short term should not cause any harm   [End]
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I reported good results with peeling on anti- anerobic mouthwash. However not sure if the bacteria is the cause of inflamation....it may be. Lets see what happens with your test   [End]
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You could be right about the fungus thought but again is it the casue the of the inflamation? I have noticed one thing that mouth cleaning has been real important for me to stop the peeling. But the inflamation seems to persist. Perhaps it will go away in time. I’m not sure. I think this may be multifactorial like something cause the lips to inflame and the saliva filled with bacteria and fungus cause it to peel. Therefore Imfliamb might cure the swlling but we need to keep mouth clean also.   [End]
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We just need to make sure that bacteria is the cause of your issue not a result of your inflamation. It could be there because something inflamed your lips and the bacteria had a chance to infect you because the inlfamation compromised your skin barrier. If that were case you would need to get rid of the skin inflamation. Did you try the mouthwash link I posted or are you trying sometihng else to keep your mouth clean?   [End]
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There is an answer. Drop the lotions and potions. Understand that this is a systemic disorder that has to be fought with a medicine or a change in what we are taking in to our bodies or a change in our environment. We need to narrow this down and really work together on all fronts. REMICADE (infliximab) with or without prednisone(preferably with) will rule out autoimmune or a digiestive born disorder. If you shut down the immune system then it will tell us alot about if this is an allergy,autoimune, infection or intollerance. Another theory is a fungus or bacteria. An antifung ...
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If you go to a GI doctor tell him you have family history of Chrons disease. If you go to a Rhumatologist tell him you’ve tried everything for this chronic inflamation and it seems like autoimmune. Not sure if your regular doctor will prescribe it. Tell him nothing works , its a chronic inflamation that seems to be autoimmune . If this works we will know its autoimmune. It it does not work its a fungus or a intollerance.   [End]
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A Rheumatologist or GI or Oral Pathologist could prescribe them. We cant get these over the counter. They are serious drugs that needs a doctors oversight. However if they worked or did not work we would learn alot   [End]
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I hope a mircacle does happen for you.   [End]
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I have seen lots improvement and I might agree with you. Look at my post on benzoates. Also I have been on strict diet and seen lots of improvement. But I did cheat a little by eating wheat and I took Bactrim anntibiotic which screwed my lips up. But I agree yet I need to narrow this down once and for all. It seems like a multifactorial disease.   [End]
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Protopic is a cream immunosuppressent. What I am asking is if anyone has take systemic (oral) immunosuppressents like Azathioprine with prednisone or infliximab (Remicade). Knowing this would tell us if this is autoimmune cause those drugs would halt autoimmunity. If someone has taken those and it worked, its an autoimmune disorder. If it did not work and got worse then its an infection. If those drugs were taken and it stayed the same(neither got worse or better ) then its an intollerace(a chemical/food/etc) that is causing this by affecting DNA on a cellular level. So its crucial to ...
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Has anyone had systemic immunosuppressant like infliximab (Remicade) or strong doses of predinisone? Reason I ask is that if was tried and works its autoimmune. If it did not work it could be an intollerance or infection like a fungus or mycoplasma. If anyone has tried let us know what you tried and for how long. It would tell us a lot.   [End]
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You are correct. These doctors are idiots...but I’m not sure if its autoimmune . If it were a powerfull systemic immuno blocker would work. And I’m not sure it does. Has anyone taken immmuno surpressents systemically and seen their conidtion improve?   [End]
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I think others have them. Problem is the inflamation makes ours more pronounced and noticable. They are actaully sebaceous glands that are mis-placed. Are you thinking this is some kind of seborheic dermatitis?   [End]
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yes i have fordyce spots.... And I called pharmacist.. he said that the bactrims inactive ingredient was sodium benzoate....   [End]
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You need to do a longer study than this to come to that conclusion. Not saying you are incorrect but take zinc for a month and stop for a month. For the month you stop see if its consistently bad. Then start up the zinc again for 2 months and see if you get 2 months straight of managability   [End]
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Everything was going good till a doctor prescribed a Sulfa antibiotics. Lips got red, inflamed ect... Sulfonamides are derivitavies of PABA Paraaminobenzoic Acid. My belief that benzoates, sulphites and parabens are causing this seems to promoted by this reaction. However this could immune complexes created by the sulfa drug. Hopefully i can pin point this.   [End]
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Sometimes. At the beginning a lot of times but it only happens every now and then   [End]
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Lets stop the crap and work on cures. My lip condition though not cured has greatly improved. I’m hoping slowly it will resolve totally and you guys continue to argue and fight. Dont post cures or results until you have proven it at least over a 1-2 month period....somebody will buy a stupid cream, does not get peeling for 2 days and posts a cure. Cut the crap and get real. Attack the disease not each other.   [End]
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Yes doctors did extensive blood work and found CMV antibodies were high as well as epstien barr virus. But now that you mention is one dr said the bumps inside my mouth under the lower lip could be minor salivary gland inflamation   [End]
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The anti viral i took was Acyclovir which is for herpes simplex virus however it did not work. It could be i was taking the wrong antiviral. I did test positive for CMV Cytomegalovirus but i never took an antiviral targeted for that.   [End]
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I don’t think you are correct when you say this disease can not be cured. I have seen my lips get better through the routine I have listed in this forum. I think we are close to answers. It takes effort. But I thank you for posting information on how to make the condition more manageable.   [End]
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Sorry but you ahd something different. Vasiline is not good. I would avoid it at all costs   [End]
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you ahve been preservative free but make sure there are no benzoates in your soap and shampoo.   [End]
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You do not know that. I have noticed that in many pictures on this forum lips are inflamed and bigger than normal. I have done a lot of research on this conditon. OFG can be casued by allergy, or chronic irritation. Follow the protocol that i have laid out. It costs nothing. See if it helps you.   [End]
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I believe the inflamation is orofacial granulomatosis and it leaves the lip barrier exposed to bacteria and other pathogens. Toothepaste is an irritant which enhances the condition or could be causing the orofacial condition. I’m just telling you what has helped me.....peeling is much less and lips are much softer. The condition is multifactorial which means there are a variety of factors causing the disease. There is also a connection with ance and this is what this cream ordered will address. Benzoates and preservatives=ofg, toothepaste=ofg and or iritation,bacteria in mouth=opppr ...
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I believe this condition is caused by a group of things. My focus has been on keeping the mouth clean, and avoiding benzoates. And the results have have been pretty good. Its only been a month but I know by reading various articles that the benzoate free diet needs to be tried for at least 3-4 months to see if it works. And keeping the mouth clean is something that needs to be done consistently to improve the condition. Here is what I have done: 1. Benzoate and preservative free diet and no cinnomon. Avoid any preservative. Eat base simple foods and read the labels. No foods with ...
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I started a very restrictive diet. Total of 4 foods. It eliminates benzoates, salicylates and lectins(all grains). Also shampoo, soap and toothpaste are all organic and contain no benzoates or salicylates or parabens. Its minimally a 3-4 month undertaking.... Why so long? Because the body contains IGG antibodies. These antibodies create complexes with antigens(allergy protiens or other protiens) which cause the chronic inflamation. IT takes about 3-4 months to work. IGG has a half life of 21 days but plasma cells continue to produce them for a while after. I will let you all ...
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I started a very restrictive diet. It eliminates benzoates, salicylates and lectins(all grains). Also shampoo, soap and toothpaste are all organic and contain no benzoates or salicylates or parabens. Its minimally a 3-4 month undertaking.... Why so long? Because the body contains IGG antibodies. These antibodies create complexes with antigens(allergy protiens or other protiens) which cause the chronic inflamation. IT takes about 3-4 months to work. IGG has a half life of 21 days but plasma cells continue to produce them for a while after. I will let you all know the results ...
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It does work .....hold mouthwash in your mouth for at leat 2 mins.   [End]
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1. Brush your tongue as hard as you can...front and back. To avoid gagging breath out constantly while brushing tongue. If irritation occurs use less force. 2. Take Crest Pro Health Night Mouthwash. IT contains Cetylpyridinium chloride and wroks great (gets rid of white coating). Take it morning and night (last thing before you go to bed). Also take it during day as needed. Your breath will no longer be a problem.   [End]
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You have been doing similar things that I have been doing. Minus the iron and minus the vit A lip cream. And I have had similar results   [End]
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A common trend I see here is dry/cold environments and allergies.   [End]
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This is due to an over growth anaerobic bacteria. The tongue is biggest harborer of this bacteria. You need to buy hydrogen peroxide available at any store. You should do the following routine daily. 1. Brush your teeth 2. After you are done brushing your teeth, brush your tongue. Try to brush as far back as possible. 3. Take a cap full(about 1 teaspoon) of hydrogen peroxide and 1-2 to capfulls of water (try one first, if you can’t tolerate it then add a second cap full). Now gargle with the solution for at least 2 minutes. This gets rid of the bacteria in the back of the mouth ...
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Buy some clotrimazole cream and before you go to bed put it on thick on your lip. When you wake up it should peel off nicely and not come back for a couple days. Tell me if this works for you... You need to continue this every few days or as needed   [End]
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As I have told you all my cheilits has improved tremendously. I think that I am very close to figuring this out. I have some questions that I hope you can answer. 1. Does your house have alot of carpeting. Do you have wall to wall carpeting or wood floors. IF you have carpeting is it thick or thin pile 2. Is your house dusty? In other words if you look at your furniture do you see a lot of dust? 3. Do you have a yard with grass? Alot of grass or just a little grass. Do you know what type of grass is in your yard? 4. Are there alot of trees in your area. If so do you kn ...
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I agree.... There is an answer. Somewhere. We were born with perfect lips. Look at your baby pictures and early childhood. When you feel totally depressed, just push it to another level. Life is a battle and with this stuff it has become a full blown war! Fight! and win against this crap till your last dieing breath!   [End]
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One other thing to remember. I am not eating any fruits esp citrus fruits. I’m only eating limited green veggies like brochli and lettuce. Please note that foods like mayo have lemon juice.   [End]
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I really think this untreated eczema encourged by an allergy. Fats are known to help eczema and I think by moving I have decreased my allergens and both have helped to provide relief.... I think doing this with a good moisturizor will provide us with relief. Here is a link also that I found on this forum that supports this: http://www.curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1381024#i   [End]
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I am eating fats like 1. Avacado on salad. 2. Cooking with sunflower oil. 3. eating lays potato chips which has sunflower oil. 4. cooking with olive oil. 5. eating butter like cupcakes made with butter frosting. Yes butter is satuated fat but body needs saturated fats to exist. I think we have excluded saturated fats to our detrement due to foolish media reports Also I have fish oil and flax oil. I no longer need a lip balm...every now and then i get a few flakes but no need for cream or balms. Please let me know if eating fats help you guys. If not let me know also as I w ...
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As you know my condition has improved greatly. I ’m trying to narrow this down because it will help myself and others. The condition was raging. Now it has improved greatly...literally over night. Here is what I have done differently. 1. Increased fat intake. Sunflower oil,flax oil,fish oil, and eating much more foods with fat it in it. 2. I take no vitamins and do not eat foods that have vitamins added to them. 3. foods with no perservatives....foods with limited spices. 4. I moved from a NEW HOUSE that had a huge yard with a lot of GRASS, and WOODS to place that had l ...
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Interesting..... Don’t forget to add flax oil to your diet.   [End]
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Well just increase your intakes offats and see how it goes. Like I said I’ve greatly improved with increasing fat intake. See how it works for you . If it does not then it might be the fact that I moved to place that has no grass, woods and carpeting. But I’m curious how increase good fat intake will do for you.   [End]
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Also add olive and flax oil as goods oils. This is a good diet to follow: 1. Low acid (proteins, acidic foods) 2. Many green veggies not including peas and green beans. 3. High fats like olive oil and sunflower oil for cooking, fish oil, flax, and butter. This really helps with eczema. 4. Low sugar and white carbs. 5. Pure mangosteen no perservatives , around 2-3 ounces a day. 6. NO citrus fruits like oranges or lemons or foods with citrus like mayo which has lemons in it. 7. lots of filtered water Don’t forget to stay away from perservatives, and vitamins especially ...
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Please be aware that eczema is cured or tamed by eating more fatty foods. Thats why I tried this. So though it may seems odd that fats would help please note that it is recommended for eczema.   [End]
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I have noticed much improvement in peeling. I have done a number things differently but I not sure which one has caused the change. Here is what I have done: 1. Eat more fats: Avacado, sunflower oil, butter,fish oil...I ’m eating much more fatty foods but the good fats i have listed above. 2. I moved. I went to area that has less grass, trees and my new house has much less carpeting. Its also more humid and less dry. 3. I dont take any suppliments and I stay away from foods that have added vitamins like milk and cereals. One of these 3 things have ...
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I think you need to go longer than a week. Eat a narrow group of foods for 3 months. Like bottled water, pears, lettuce,and one type of meat.   [End]
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Organic is eaten to avoid the pesticides and other chemicals from foods processing and preservatives. Thats why people eat organic.   [End]
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A person I knew ha same thing and has the vermillion section of his lip removed. IT worked for him.   [End]
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A plastic suregeon specializing in lip surgery can help. Its called wedge lip reducton . Just make sure the surgeon removes the whole vermillion of the lip. Make sure he gets all of it or it could return.   [End]
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Its tough, and it makes it tougher that its so rare and we had to get this. Its the longest battle, and a brutal war that never ends. However keep the faith! There is an answer somewhere. One answer is a vermillionectomy but only use it when you feel that you can no longer fight. Also make sure your plastic surgeon removes ALL of the vermillion area.   [End]
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Your issue seems to be perhaps Cheilitis Granulomatosa. Chronic inflamation and as a result peeling.   [End]
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You have full lips. Before EC were your lips full? If you look at pictures when you were a child before you got exfoliative chelitis were lips thin or full? What about family members? Do they have all thin lips or full lips?   [End]
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I never took accutane in my life. However I was taking supplements. Vit A and whatever supplements were added in a protein shake I was drinking. Also I did go the the dentist prior and they left my mouth pryed open over an 1.5 hours. So the only thing I did different from norm were the supplements and the dentist.   [End]
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what cream were you using?   [End]
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i would do it for about a month   [End]
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Taking that juice might take a month or 2 to see results   [End]
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ab maybe you have to use the higher dose, .5 rather than .1 Tretinoin reduces inflamation. So maybe the higher dose will help Here’s an excerpt from article i read: The inflammation of acne lesions is remarkably reduced when tretinoin is used on a nightly basis. It is a basic treatment of acne that everyone should be using if they suffer from this condition. In addition, tretinoin has a proven track record of reducing the ill effects of aging on the skin and is therefore used in many other anti-aging regimens to help maintain more youthful looking skin. Other agents are ad ...
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That damn fool. The one thing you don’t want him to hit, your lips, he’s got to hit!   [End]
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That XanGo is filled with crap ...it as soduim benzoate a harmful perservative and its really a blend of other juices which dilutes the mangosteen. Try a pure managosteen juice rather than that crap...look it up on wiki. But please note magosteen might help as shown by this link....just buy a pure form of the juice http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12230104   [End]
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i would agree with you that.... Healing can only occur when inflamation stops. In this condition the inflamation is chronic. The inflamation is caused by something, perhaps allergy to a food or environment. Perhaps autoimmune. Perhaps bacterial or fungal. Perhaps a systemic cause. Cure the inflamation and you will cure the peeling.   [End]
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It not a steriod my friend. Its a vitamin a derivative that clears up acne by increasing the exfoliation process. In other words it causes skin to turnover quicker.   [End]
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Dont be foolish uklad... Its prescribed for fordyce spots aleady. It should not cause that much trouble   [End]
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I have been diagnosed with sIGA deficiency. sIGA is an antibody found on mucosal surfaces. It binds to allergens and other invaders before they have chance to cause harm. I’m curious if anyone here has this deficiency. It could be the basis of whats going on here.   [End]
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When you run your tongue along the bottom of your lips inside your mouth does anyone feel small bumps?   [End]
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Its better. So is the inflamation. I am taking allergy shots which seem to helping. I put chlortrimazole cream on at night before sleeping ( a thick layer of cream). Also eatiing raw veggies, organic fish and white meat only helps alot when I stick to it. Plain fish, turkey, veggies and nuts. Thats it. No sugar, salt,tomatos,potatos fruits esp citrus, alcohol,milk,breads etc.... I need to continue with the shots and this regimen to really give you guys my thoughts, but as far as helping, everything I have listed here has helped alot. Will it cure me? It might but I need to ...
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You have full lips. Do your parents or family have full lips or are their lips thin?   [End]
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Cut the diet and try the cream. Cut the diet for now. Meat and rice no spices, nothing. Did u try the cream at night? Did you cut the diet to nothing but meat, brown rice (no spices or nothing else)and water for 3-4 weeks?   [End]
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Strawberries and blueberries i would leave out. The can irritate the lips. The clortrimazole creaam when put at night before u sleep seems to help me alot which points towards fungus. However, it could be a combo of fungus and allergies. The latter, comprimisee the skin barrier which allows the fungus to take hold. Reason I say allergies is my shots have made the lips much softer. Also others have reported differences with antihistamines like prilosec and claritin   [End]
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Try clortrimozole(anti-fungal cream. Put alot on bot lips before you go to sleep each night.. Also cut your diet! Eat only rice and meat. Preferably eat only salad greens and fish or meat. Thats it! Do for about 4 weeks but start immediately. Keep us updated Also what did you put on your lips that made them swell and when?   [End]
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You guys are right. Its the white sugar and white flour. It goes away when this is reduce. But if you want to knock it our real fast then try GSE(grapefruit seed extract). Put abbout 7 drops in in about a 1/4 cup water and swish it around for about 10 mins and spit it out. White tongue goes immediately   [End]
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Does everyone with this condition suffer from a white tongue?   [End]
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this is kind of similar to what i have noticed by getting allery shots. But i have not tried it with the prilosec   [End]
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yes i have servere allergies. I have been taking shots. I am noticing a difference but too soon to tell.   [End]
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This is good information. Perhaps its the opposite. do you have a white tongue like the rest of us?   [End]
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Well I’m not sure what the improvement is due to yet. Could be either shots or the diet or both. But I will not be happy till 100% better. Also I did mention the cream I’m putting on every night. I could be that. I do know the white tongue stuff is under control because of no sugar diet or the pau d’arco. I will wait and see what happens   [End]
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I have seen success with the allergy shots (you need a good allergist with lots of test allergens...shop around and ask them what they will test for and pick the doctor who has and does the most testing including foods). But this success can also be due eating a leafy diet(greens) with salmon and lamb and nothing much else. Howwever one thing to note is I have dramtically cut sugar which could be staving the yeast. Also I take pau D’arco, swish with water around my mouth and then swallow it, which helps the immune system and kills yeast. I do not have a white tongue (due to diet a ...
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Also delayed type 4 allergy will not show on a prick test   [End]
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