I just learned about an Italian oncologist - Tullio Simoncini - who is supposedly having great success injecting baking soda into tumors. Is there any forum here dedicated to this? Is Simoncini still able to practice in Italy? Any hospitals in Mexico doing this? Any additional info? Thanks.   [End]
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I don’t think that Cutler meant to never chelate if you’ve had your fillings drilled out. To the contrary, you HAVE to have your fillings drilled out first. And most of the people who have a mercury problem had amalgam fillings. I do think he recommends waiting 3 months or so, but after that you have to chelate properly. You can get DMSA pretty reasonably at Kirkman’s or Vitamin Research Products. Best is to first use DMSA alone in very small doses, and only do ALA once most of the mercury is out of the areas that DMSA will reach. The most important thing is to start with SMALL ...
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I strongly suggest you get hold of a copy of ”Colon Health Handbook” by Robert Gray. It was written to accompany his colon cleanse program (Holistic Horizons), but gives tons of information essential to colon cleansers that is available nowhere else. Whatever program you’re doing, it gives you invaluable info on how to proceed, how to recognize mucoid plaque, how to know if you’re advancing too fast in the program, when you need to go faster, etc. It’s a quick read, and an invaluable resource.   [End]
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Based on this info, it sounds like you’re probably done. If you’re up for it, try the fast while cleansing just to get all the last nooks and crannies. For the ultimate touch, do a colonic or two while on the fast.   [End]
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How much psyllium are you doing with each shake? How many times do you think you should be pooping daily? At the moment it sounds like you’re not getting much old mucoid matter out. One of the signs that you are not making much progress at your current level of cleansing program is when the size, shape, color, and amount of fecal matter returns to normal. 1-2 times a day is, at worst, ”good normal.” As I mentioned in my last message, you may need to raise the level of your program. Other than that, I’m not clear why you’re concerned.   [End]
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Please see http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=725524 to be sure you are recognizing what is and what is not mucoid plaque, or old mucoid matter. Four shakes a day sounds like about the max, but if you still are not getting any mucoid matter in your stools, you could increase the amount of bentonite in each shake. If you go, say, a week with a high bentonite-to-psyllium ratio, at 4 shakes a day, and still see nothing resembling old mucoid matter, then there’s just one more thing to do -- fast, say, for 5 days (juice fast is fine, or could be master cleanse fast). Fasting really increas ...
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I think there is a lot of confusion over what mucoid plaque is, and how to recognize it. Please see http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=725524   [End]
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Bowel movements that are shaped like your intestines are NOT normal. I mean that in a good way. Sounds like mucoid plaque to me.   [End]
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I recently visited Majid Ali M.D. in New York. I was highly impressed -- besides being a brilliant physician, he listens and is determined to succeed like no doctor I’ve ever known. I did not see him for MS, however, in the course of our conversations he mentioned that one of his best success rates is with MS. That’s why I decided to mention it here, for anyone who’s interested. A lot of info on him and his approach is available at http://www.majidali.com.   [End]
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The Gerson therapy has a good record with cancer, and the type of cancer they have the best success with is melanoma. http://www.gerson.org There was even a clinical study done on this therapy with melanoma, with excellent results, especially in early stages such as you.   [End]
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Somebody just responded to a long-ago message of mine, asking me to support my claim that well-documented proof of efficacy of alternative methods is available to anyone who wishes to look. Since this message is buried several pages back, and most people won’t see it, I’m repeating it here. ____________________________ Sure. Go to http://cancer-research.net/TenCaseHistories.pdf for the transcript of sworn testimony to the Senate -- from 1946 -- on ten cases cured by Gerson. Read Gerson’s book ”Fifty Cases” for several well-documented cases. See if you can get hold of the monograph ...
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Sure. Go to http://cancer-research.net/TenCaseHistories.pdf for the transcript of sworn testimony to the Senate -- from 1946 -- on ten cases cured by Gerson. Read Gerson’s book ”Fifty Cases” for several well-documented cases. See if you can get hold of the monograph by Nicholas Gonzalez, M.D., called ”One Man Alone, An Investigation of Nutrition, Cancer and William Donald Kelley,” in which Dr. Gonzalez -- then a young medical student -- painstakingly documents 50 cases unquestionably cured by Kelley. Gonzalez went so far as to refuse medical records provided by the patient, and would ...
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I did my first HH cleanse about 20 years ago and got awesome results. I’ve been doing it now for about 6 weeks and getting so-so results. Today I found an undigested herbal tablet in the toilet -- maybe that’s why my results have been mediocre. I’m disappointed, but have begun grinding up the tablets and I’ll see if that helps.   [End]
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Check out my message in the thread below, http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=740439   [End]
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You need an integrated, complete program that has been proven over many years and has nothing to do with someone trying to sell you this or that magic pill. Now is not the time to start experimenting with putting together your own program piecemeal. I know of two excellent programs that have been proven time and again with thousands of patients. Check out http://www.gerson.org and http://www.dr-gonzalez.com   [End]
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What a bunch of crap. They found a few patients with advanced breast cancer who refused standard therapy and died. They neglect to mention that the cure rate of metastatic breast cancer with chemotherapy and radiation is ZERO! If these ”scientists” had the slightest interest in actually looking, they would have found many immaculately-documented cases of metastatic breast cancer cures using alternative methods.   [End]
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Two suggestions. First, I would replace the small plastic bowl and the saucer with one plastic container long enough to extend from the legs out to beyond the spout. The bag would sit in it, and any excess juice would drip into it too. When you’re done grinding, you could remove the bag, break apart the machine, and scrape the remaining pulp into the plastic container, then dump it into the bag. Much less messy. But it would work even better if instead of using bags, you simply used cloths. You use the cloth as a liner in the plastic container so it conforms to the container’s bott ...
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Did you have to be careful about not applying too much pressure? I imagine that if you applied the whole 6 tons of pressure, or anything close to it, the plunger rod would break the wood in half. Is that true? Did you use a hardwood like oak or a soft wood like pine?   [End]
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Beautiful! I’m looking forward to seeing the finished product, and hearing your experiences with it. That’s a lot more pressing power there than a $2200 Norwalk.   [End]
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Hands down, the best approach is EFT, http://www.emofree.com You’ll be amazed.   [End]
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There are a lot of products out there, and no clear consensus as to which is best. I guess you could divide them into the psyllium-based cleanses and the ozone-based cleanses. Psyllium-based cleanses are Holistic Horizons, drnatura, and several others. The idea of those is that the herbs they come with loosen the old fecal or mucoid matter while the psyllium acts as a ”broom” to sweep it away. Also P&B shakes, which is just psyllium mixed with bentonite. I can’t tell you much about the ozone-based products such as Homozone, colosan, etc. because they just give me diarrhea. Maybe so ...
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Did your shop press come with or without the jack itself?   [End]
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What’s the best protocol to follow if you feel yourself coming down with something, like a cold or the flu?   [End]
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Nice quote! Ptree, I’m currently doing an HH cleanse and went through all your old messages on that subject, which were very helpful. Are you still a CHT in Chicago? Thanks   [End]
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I also have breathing problems 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, and have for about 9 months. Pretty unpleasant. For several months I was deeply depressed about it. Then I came to realize that I couldn’t control whether or not I had breathing problems, but I had a choice of whether to be miserable about it or not. I listen a lot to Eckhart Tolle tapes in the car. Having this problem forced me to put into practice much of what he teaches. In a strange way, this has been quite a spiritual teacher for me. That doesn’t mean I’ve resigned myself to living with this forever. There are a ...
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Very interesting information, but I wonder what he bases his conclusions on. For example, one of his top treatment recommendations is the Bill Henderson protocol. But if you go to Henderson’s website and his testimonials page, the solidity and impressiveness of those testimonials is not even close to the many, many, well-documented, medically-vetted stories of cancer survivors on the Gerson and Kelley/Gonzalez protocols. He puts ozone therapy at the top of the list, while relegating Gerson to ”also-ran” status. Yet, the current Gerson therapy includes ozone therapy! In other words, ...
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Thanks for the detailed post. What have been your results on this? I noticed elsewhere that you had colon cancer. Did you have surgery, and this diet is to prevent a recurrence? Or has your cancer actually shrunk or remained stable while doing this protocol alone? Also, which high-trypsin enzyme supplement are you using? Thanks   [End]
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I’m sorry to hear about your diagnosis, but happy that you seem to be keeping such a level head about it. You’re right -- cancer can be overcome with natural methods! No question about it. And the more aggressive the cancer, the faster it responds. I am though a little concerned about your decision to rely purely on glutathione. Yes, it’s a powerful antioxidant, but I know of little evidence that it alone will overcome an aggressive cancer. It’s the drug mentality that says ”take this magic little pill and you’ll get better.” In the real world, overcoming cancer requires a discipl ...
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I was clicking around Curezone as I normally do and suddenly the following message popped up on my screen: SUCCESS! Succesfully unsubscribed 164 email notification list(s). Huh? I didn’t ask to unsubscribe from anything. What does this mean? What did I do? Can I undo it? Thanks   [End]
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Thanks for your reply. You mention that ”I want the results that were shown in the book.” What book? Also, do you think the Himalayan salt sold by Mercola is the same? Thanks   [End]
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Most sites sell Himalayan salt for about $25-$30 per kilo. http://www.saltworks.us sells it for about half that. Is this the same salt? Can I buy confidently from them that I’m not getting an inferior product? Does anyone feel that another salt is preferable to Himalayan? Thanks   [End]
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On Earthclinic.com, a woman posted a long story with all the many thing she’s done to battle her candida. She particularly mentions a product called Yeast Ease that she believes helped her the most. Pomiferin or pomifera is listed as the active ingredient. Apparently it’s an extract of the osage orange plant. Have any of you heard of this, or have any experience with it? Thanks   [End]
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Thanks for your reply. You say that you use IV rather than distilled water. I’m not sure what you mean. To me, IV means intravenous. There are many types of IV solutions. IV’s typically have lots of electrolytes in them, and I wouldn’t think you would want to use that to make CS. Do you mean distilled, sterile water that is suitable for use in the manufacture of IV solutions? Thanks   [End]
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Howard Straus, Max Gerson’s grandson and author of a wonderful biography on Dr. Gerson, has just posted some of Gerson’s writings previously unavailable. You can see them at http://cancer-research.net/TenCaseHistories.pdf   [End]
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Thank you for that very interesting message. I have one question. You say that for bird flu, ”The dose I used was 20-30ppm depend on how heavy the person is.” How much did you use? One teaspoon every hour? A tablespoon every 4 hours? Thanks   [End]
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I went to http://cassia.org/generator.htm, according to which, if you start with pure distilled water, 1 hour of running current produces CS of about 30 ppm. However, http://www.ensciro.com/csbook4.htm says that 1 hour of running current will produce 1.5 ppm, NOT 30 ppm. According to this page, it takes 5 hours to reach 30 ppm. Which is it? Are there any truly reliable, authoritative sources? Thanks   [End]
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Thanks everyone for all the info. I’m convinced! Now I just need a reliable source for pure silver, etc. Any suggestions? Thanks   [End]
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I’m confused! I went online looking to buy a refractometer, but all the descriptions talk about is their ability to measure the sugar content of fruits and veggies. I thought I wanted it to measure the mineral content, no? I can taste an apple to know its sugar content -- what I want to know is its mineral content! Thanks   [End]
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The reason okra is mixed with pepsin is that the okra is sticky and sticks the pepsin (which digests the old mucoid matter) to the villi in the small intestine. In other words, the whole purpose of the okra is to hold the pepsin in place for a while so it can do its work. This is just a guess, but wouldn’t the oxypowder tend to expel okra-pepsin, thus counteracting its function?   [End]
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Asking ”what’s the best juicer” is kind of like asking ”what’s the best tool.” It all depends what task you need done. You can tighten a bolt with a pliers, but it’s not really the right tool for the job. By the same token, each juicer has its strengths and weaknesses. Single-screw machines like Samson do a great job with greens and are easy to clean, but are of limited use for carrots and other hard veggies. Champions do a good job with carrots, but not such a good job with wheatgrass and leafy greens. Greenstars foam greens too much for my taste, although a poster just below find ...
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Sounds good. Can you point me to instructions on how to make it yourself? Thanks   [End]
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Allergy tests are notoriously inaccurate. They mean virtually nothing. You have to do an elimination diet to know if the child is allergic or not. It’s almost certain he’s allergic to some food or foods.   [End]
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You’ll also need something like a wood block under the juice tray. The perimeter of the Norwalk juice tray is a ”gutter” to allow the juice to drain out while the bag is under pressure. Otherwise, a little juice would remain in the tray and get sucked up into the bag again when the pressure is released. So you’ll need something like a wood block smaller than the overall dimensions of the tray for the tray to rest on, that will allow the tray’s gutters to hang over the sides and not get crushed when the pressure is applied.   [End]
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Funny coincidence -- since I posted the first message of this thread, I read the September issue of Dr. Jonathan Wright’s newsletter Nutrition and Healing. It’s all about CS. He talks about Argentyn 23 and Sovereign Silver, and believes they’re superior because they have smaller silver particles than previous ones -- .8 nanometers vs 14 to 26 nanometers for the ”old technology” CS. Any comments? Anyone know what the particle size is for homemade CS?   [End]
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On Earthclinic.com, a woman posted a long story with all the many thing she’s done to battle her candida. She particularly mentions Pomiferin as something that helped her a lot. Have any of you heard of this, or have any experience with it? Thanks   [End]
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Is there any consensus on this forum as to the best brand of CS? Any personal favorites? Thanks   [End]
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Our daughter had terrible eczema for a year. We finally got rid of it using Bio-K+, a little tub of ”super-yogurt,” about 100 times more live lactobacteria cultures than regular yogurt. We also discovered which foods she is allergic to, as eczema is primarily caused by food allergies. The big 5 allergens are: Wheat Dairy Eggs Citrus Corn It’s hard to avoid the above, because it seems they’re in everything. But it can be done. If you use the Bio K+, and avoid the above allergens, your son’s eczema will almost certainly get better. But if any of his allergens are other than ...
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Are you taking any drugs, including birth control pills?   [End]
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You’re very welcome. And don’t forget that you’ll need juicing cloths as well. Norwalk uses dacron, but nobody is able to find their source. You can buy directly from them for about $4 a bag or cloth. Or you can buy organic cotton and cut your own. A good source is http://www.nearseanaturals.com. They have some organic cotton twills that work well. When you’re finished rigging up your press, come back and post a picture!   [End]
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Hey, remember Clinton’s Surgeon General, a woman, who recommended teaching masturbation? Most people seem to figure it out for themselves...   [End]
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The Greenstar does a great job GRINDING greens, but not such a great job juicing them because it foams them too much. So to do a great job with greens you’ll want the Greenstar to grind them and a press to press them. The Wells Press may be more money than you’d like to spend, but there’s been some interesting discussion in another juicing group about saving money on a press by buying a 6-ton hydraulic shop press at Harbor Freight for just $59.00 http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=1666, and improvising the juice trays. You can actually buy the stainless st ...
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Here are some additional quotes I found about Dr. John Sarno and his theory that all back pain is emotional in origin: Howard Stern... ”My life was filled with excruciating back and shoulder pain until I applied Dr. Sarno’s principles, and in a matter of weeks my back pain disappeared. I never suffered a single symptom again. . . . I owe Dr. Sarno my life.” Anne Bancroft... ”John Sarno has changed my life and the lives of everyone to whom I have recommended him. He is a true miracle worker.” Dr. Andrew Weil, author of 8 Weeks to Optimum Health... ”Dr. Sarno has had great succes ...
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Don’t you just love the way they sell fear? The more frightened the patient, the more pliable he is. Yes, spinal cancer exists. But it is rare, while back problems are extremely common. The chance of your back problem being caused by spinal cancer is less than minuscule. For this doc to immediately bring up spinal cancer when you go to him with a back problem is outrageous. I would find another doc.   [End]
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Mostly they’re probably looking for herniated discs and other structural spinal ”irregularities” that, supposedly, are causing your back pain. Be careful. Too often such x-rays or MRI’s are used as ”sales tools” to sell you on unnecessary and dangerous surgery. There it is in black and white after all, a blown disc, sorry, nothing to do but operate! What they don’t tell you is that if you take 100 patients with back problems, a certain percentage will have herniated discs that ”obviously” are causing the problem. But studies show time and again that if you take 100 patients with N ...
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Check your enema bag and hose for mold. I just learned from another thread that mold can easily grow, especially if there’s any coffee left over in the bag or hose.   [End]
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If you could post a few ”high points” (no pun intended) of your wisdom and experience in the problem of overcoming addictions, I’d love to hear them. Don’t hesitate to disagree with previous posters (including me) -- we’re here to learn! Thanks   [End]
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How pregnant are you? If first trimester, I wouldn’t risk it.   [End]
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I know the coffee enema sounds weird, but it is the gentlest, safest procedure you can imagine. Even cancer patients on the brink of death do the juices and coffee enemas (both the Gerson program and the Kelley/Gonzalez program) safely, and uniformly report a decrease in pain, improved sense of well-being, calmness, and better sleep. And more often than you might think, they move away from that brink and back to health. So please reconsider the coffee enemas. They’re nothing to be afraid of, honest! I think you would benefit so much from them. More info is at http://www.dr-gonzal ...
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To effectively detox, you need to, well, detox. The most effective method I know for doing so is the combination of fresh-squeezed vegetable juices and coffee enemas, at a ratio of 1 coffee enema for each 3 cups of vegetable juice. The vegetable juices wash all the toxins out of your cells into the liver, and the coffee enemas very effectively flush them out of the liver and into the toilet where they belong. If you could do six juices and two coffee enemas a day, you’d feel much better very quickly. If it was 3 juices and 1 coffee enema, that would work too, just a little more slowly.
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I am indeed in the Windy City -- seems like you’ve moved out west? I’m shocked you can’t find someone good there, with the huge Asian population. I know a great acupuncturist in San Diego named Richard Tan, http://www.drtanshow.com. If that’s too far, maybe you could call his office and see if there’s someone they can recommend close to you.   [End]
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According to Robert Gray in the Colon Health Handbook, you can recognize stools containing old mucoid matter (mucoid plaque) by an unusually strong odor, an intermingling of different shades and textures, if they’re atypically dark in color, or have shapes other than smooth and cylindrical. If you’re having trouble recognizing old mucoid matter, he advises, drink carrot juice along with the colon-cleansing product you are taking (refers to psyllium-based products, probably not Homozone-type products) while keeping away from spinach and othger green leafy vegetables high in oxalic acid. T ...
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Not to fear -- I used Trapper’s method instead to discover that this H2O2 is apparently little more than water. I spit into the sink then put a few drops of the ”H2O2” on it, and there was no reaction. Thanks Trapper!   [End]
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I think her full name is Mei Ling Qian. Her phone number is (or was) 312-791-0025. If you’re looking for someone for eczema in the Chicago area, I would also check out http://www.harryhong.com.   [End]
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You’re probably just ”going too fast.” According to Robert Gray in the Colon Health Handbook, you control the dose of whatever cleaning agent you’re taking by observing the number and quantity of your stools. If you get stopped up, that’s a sure sign you’re taking too much. If your stools are about like they were, you’re taking too little. If you’re taking the right amount, the number and quantity of your stools are increased, and you’re probably passing some old mucoid matter with nearly every stool. You can recognize stools containing old mucoid matter (mucoid plaque) by an unusuall ...
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For some reason you have to cut and paste the link in the previous message for it work (minus, of course, the period at the end). Anyway, if you’re interested in Dr. Kelley, it’s good reading.   [End]
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Maybe if you ate okra and took pepsin supplements at the same time, it would have the same effect. Last night I ate a lot of okra and took a pancreatin supplement (not sure if it contains pepsin). A few hours later I started passing the smelliest farts ever! It’s been years since that happened. Not sure what that means, but there you have it.   [End]
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There are really two Dr. Kelleys. One is the brilliant, dynamic Kelley of the seventies who was curing cancer patients left and right. The other is the broken-down-shell-of-his-former-self Kelley of the nineties who spent his days churning out the most vicious anti-semitic literature you can imagine and drinking coca cola by the gallon, claiming it was a marvelous health tonic. A good account of all this is at http://www.cancerdecisions.com/021305_page.html.   [End]
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I wouldn’t hesitate to call him and tell him exactly that -- that your parents are living on a fixed income and you’re concerned about the expense, and discuss what it might cost. All of his patients pay out of pocket, and I’m sure they’re not all wealthy!   [End]
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We didn’t actually see Harry Hong. This was nearly 10 years ago and we saw someone very expensive who I can’t recommend. He did NAET. After that I took a BioSet seminar from Ellen Cutler, and then I was able to do the BioSet myself. I believe in BioSet more than NAET, and I mentioned Harry Hong because from what I know he is a good BioSet practitioner. I don’t know what he charges, but a woman who saw him for eczema told me that he tested her, then gave her a bunch of vials and taught her how to do the clearings at home. This woman is unmarried and works for a church, and is far fr ...
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Good work Wombat! Thanks for that link. Explains everything.   [End]
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I bought some 17.5% H2O2 a three weeks ago, and left it out (didn’t refrigerate it). Today I took ten drops (the equivalent of 5 drops of 35% H2O2) in 8 oz of distilled water. After reading many posts in the archives of this forum, I had braced myself for a horrible bleach-like taste. To my surprise it had no particular taste -- just tasted like water. Does this mean my H2O2 has gone bad, that is, just turned into H2O? Is there any way to tell? Thanks   [End]
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Kelley’s original formula was comfrey-pepsin. I don’t know the origin of okra-pepsin. Perhaps Kelley came up with it later on.   [End]
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I can just add this to the discussion of this product... William Kelley believed strongly in ”comfrey-pepsin” to clean out the small intestine so it would be able to absorb nutrients. In fact, he said in an interview that if he had to throw out everything except one product, he would keep the comfrey-pepsin. Kelley has a lot of credibility due to his extraordinary success curing advanced cancers in the seventies. Somehow I believe comfrey became hard to get and this okra-pepsin product is the closest current descendant of Kelley’s comfrey-pepsin. I have not used this product but, ...
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My guess is that the so-called ”colon-cleansing” products cleanse the small intestine as well. In fact, I suspect that most of the mucoid plaque or old mucoid matter that comes out originates in the small intestine rather than the colon. That would explain the fact that MD’s who do colonoscopies see pink tissue rather than black gunk lining the colon. I have no proof of that and would be glad to hear a different point of view, but as of now that’s my working theory. I’ve personally had good results with Holistic Horizons, but people seem to have excellent results with drnatura, ultim ...
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No, I had no test. Yes, I’ve been seeing them during LF’s. They are reddish, fleshy, triangular, and relatively small. As far as I can tell they match up to others descriptions of liver flukes as well so that’s what I assumed.   [End]
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Very interesting. Do you have a theory as to why UT started to have a negative effect? Did you stop it completely at that point? Thanks.   [End]
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Could you elaborate? How long were you doing UT, how much did you take on a daily basis, some details about your cleansing experience (what came out, over what period of time, how did you feel then), etc. Thanks.   [End]
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A Ukrainian physician named Buteyko theorized that everybody should be trying to raise their levels of CO2, not lower it. His program -- for all health problems but particularly designed for asthmatics -- actually has patients practice reduced breathing, to raise CO2 levels. If you were one of them, you would be going on the Buteyko support group and excitedly telling everyone about your wonderfully high CO2 level, and everybody would be congratulating you for it. Sounds crazy, but many asthmatics have had wonderful results with it. Lots of info available at http://members.westnet.c ...
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Mei Ling is well known in the Chicago acupuncture community. She was one of the original teachers in Chicago’s first school of acupuncture, and is the head of the Chinese acupuncture association. But I’ve never seen her as a patient...   [End]
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Yes, she’s still in Chicago and practicing. Her name is actually spelled Mei Ling.   [End]
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Wow Megan, what a story. Congratulations on taking the bull by the horns and getting your health back. What an inspiring story. I was interested to hear that you did the Gerson therapy and also liver flushes. Were those Hulda-Clark-style liver flushes? And were you doing the castor oil treatments on the Gerson therapy as well? I had sort of come to the conclusion that the Gerson coffee enemas and castor oil treatments do everything the liver flushes do, much less harshly. Are you saying that’s not your experience? I’d love to hear your comments and experience on that issue. ...
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The one my wife went to was David Edelberg, an M.D. in the city, used to be in Lincoln Park, not sure about now. A really good guy. After avoiding wheat, dairy and eggs for a few years, my wife actually got rid of her allergies using first NAET then BioSet. A guy in the Chicago area who I believe to be a good BioSet practitioner is Harry Hong. He has a website, http://www.harryhong.com. He’s also a Chinese medicine doctor trained in China, but actually in many cases prefers BioSet and homeopathy. I believe he’s out in the west suburbs, Hoffmann Estates I think.   [End]
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Another good resource is the Gerson forum on yahoogroups. Not terrifically active, but a lot of experienced people who can answer questions knowledgeably.   [End]
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If I may ask... What sorts of health problems did you do the Gerson therapy for? With what results? And did you do the entire protocol, complete with diet and supplements, or just a modified version such as juices and coffee enemas only? Thanks.   [End]
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Eczema is usually food allergies. The top five villains are: -Dairy -Eggs -Wheat -Corn -Citrus I got this info from a Chicago alternative M.D. who has treated thousands of eczema patients -- the vast majority successfully -- by identifying and eliminating the foods they are allergic to. My wife was one of them. She was going out of her mind with eczema. When she eliminated dairy, wheat and eggs, her itching stopped within a few days, and within a few weeks the rash disappeared. Another clue to identifying your food allergies is that people tend to crave the foods they are ...
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If you go to http://www.cancersalves.com/botanical_approaches/sms_formulas/sms_products.html, you’ll be pleased to see Ingrid Naiman referring to ”easy to treat conditions such as small basal cell or squamous cell carcinomas...”   [End]
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You’re very welcome. By the way, since it’s skin cancer you’re dealing with, you may wish to look into adding a cancer salve to whatever else you do. Ingrid Naiman is a botanist who wrote a comprehensive book on the subject, called, logically enough, Cancer Salves. Her website is http://www.cancersalves.com. Cancer salves can apparently be surprisingly effective in treating skin cancer. Harry Hoxsey treated skin cancer patients with an herbal formula taken internally, along with cancer salves specific to their tumor. Hoxsey was sort of a huckster, and himself died of prostate ca ...
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Check out the Gerson program (www.gerson.org) and the Kelley/Gonzalez program (www.dr-gonzalez.com). Those to me are the most credible cancer programs, with the best-documented cures. FWIW, Gerson didn’t believe in fasting for cancer patients, who he said are deficient and need meganutrition. Best wishes.   [End]
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On the Gerson program, cancer patients do 4 coffee enemas a day. And these very advanced, very weakened cancer patients do great with it. But they also take 13 8-oz fresh-squeezed vegetable juices a day too. That’s what makes the coffee enemas safe -- replenishing the electrolytes lost by the coffee enemas with the vegetable juices. The Gerson organization (www.gerson.org) recommends a ratio of 3 fresh-squeezed vegetable juices for each coffee enema. I’ve come to suspect that the same benefits people get from liver flushes could be gotten with much less stress to the body through ...
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I’ve seen some references on this forum to ”the alkalizing drink,” but I don’t know what it is. Can someone give me a quick explanation or a link to the answer? Thanks.   [End]
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Thanks for your reply. What is thought to be the biggest risk for users of oral H2O2?   [End]
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About two weeks ago I did my first liver flush, and I got quite a few stones that were bright green and about the size of peas. I was pretty proud of my success, and put a bunch of these stones in a plastic bag to save for posterity. I just went to admire my stones, but all I found at the bottom of my plastic bag was about half a teaspoon of very dark green oil. Alas...   [End]
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Why would anyone on this forum have the slightest interest in the opinion of Mayo Clinic on therapies they don’t offer and cannot make money on?   [End]
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I have respiratory difficulties that my be caused by a chronic lung infection, perhaps viral or fungal. H2O2 orally is something I’d like to try, but I hear different things about its safety. Would rectal insufflation of ozone do the same thing as the oral H2O2? Thanks   [End]
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And which supplies more alkalizing minerals, the carrot/apple juice, or molasses.   [End]
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I was also going to mention doing the test on the full moon. I once attended a seminar by a doc who does a lot of parasite testing. Someone told him about the full-moon thing, so he went back over the previous 5 years and compared the percentage of positive stool samples by patients who took the sample on or within three days of a full moon, with patients who took their stool sample at other times. I forgot the details, but I think 2 and half times as many patients who had taken their sample around the full moon tested positive.   [End]
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Does it matter if one takes ACV on a full stomach or an empty stomach? Is one much preferable to the other? Is either considered ”bad?” Thanks   [End]
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I wouldn’t say the Japanese are free of health problems. They have a high rate of hepatoma (primary liver cancer, rare in the US), and a high rate of stomach cancer. But overall, your point is well taken. And for exactly the reason you mentioned, I am not convinced that salt is a bad thing across-the-board. But what is inarguable is the success Max Gerson had curing ”impossible” diseases with his salt-free diet. In the 1920’s, lupus vulgaris (skin tuberculosis, quite different from SLE, systemic lupus erythmatosis) was a terrible, incurable scourge. Ferdinand Sauerbruch, Europe’s ...
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For the past 9 months, I’ve had respiratory problems. The formal diagnosis is asthma, but it’s a weird asthma -- dry, no wheezing, no mucus. It’s like there’s an irritation in the tissues surrounding the lungs. A very good medical intuitive told me she thinks it is a fungal infection in (or around) my lungs. I understand that if I raise the pH of those tissues, a fungal infection cannot survive. What is the best and quickest and surest way to raise the pH of those tissues? Thanks   [End]
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Around January of 1999 I noticed a patch of some skin condition on my right back, just behind the armpit. Soon after I noticed another patch (maybe 2-3 inches diameter) near my left shin. I went to dermatologist, who diagnosed it as psoriasis. It disappeared in the summer, then came back, slightly worse, the next winter. That pattern -- the psoriasis disappearing every summer and coming back like clockwork in the late fall and lasting through the winter -- continued. By last winter I had it fairly extensively on both lower legs and about the same 3-4” patch on my right back. I also ...
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Max Gerson was a German physician who moved to the US just prior to WWII. As a young medical student he cured his own severe headaches with diet, then found that his diet effectively cured tuberculosis (at the time thought to be incurable). After moving to the US he further refined his diet and had outstanding success curing advanced cancer. I’m sure you wouldn’t need to do the complete cancer diet to see if his diet is effective with your son. The cornerstone of his diet is ZERO SALT, very low fat, mostly vegetarian, with lots of fresh-squeezed vegetable juices. Fruits are freely c ...
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I was about to start taking H2O2 according to the David Williams protocol, when somebody warned me that it can age you prematurely. I’m sure you can make theoretical arguments either way. I’d be really interested in any animal studies where they fed H2O2 to the animals and just saw whether they lived as long as control animals. Does anyone know of such studies? Anything else anyone can tell me about safety of H2O2? I’m interested in actual real-life experience with it, rather than theoretical arguments. Thanks   [End]
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Have you ruled out allergies? Try giving him a very restricted diet for several days and see if there is any change. You could begin with just lamb and pears, which are both rarely allergenic. Keep in mind that people tend to be allergic to the things they crave, so ask yourself what your son can’t live without -- and be sure not to give it to him for a time! It could also be an allergy to something airborne. Good luck.   [End]
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Have you actually seen any cases of respiratory symptoms caused by blood flukes that disappeared when the blood flukes were beaten? Also, what is the best way of knowing if one actually has blood flukes? Thanks   [End]
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Swiss chard is definitely not poisonous! Max Gerson had advanced cancer patients juice it and drink large amounts of it raw. Not only didn’t it kill these very weak ”terminal” patients, but many of them recovered.   [End]
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Those blood flukes seem kind of big -- they have all sorts of anatomical features like suckers, etc. The tiny capillaries in one’s fingers are often so small the red corpuscles have to pass single-file. That’s why I was wondering if it’s really credible that a blood fluke would come out of a finger puncture. But if I DO have blood flukes, would that cause asthma-like symptoms? Thanks   [End]
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Thanks for that info. You mentioned that you don’t think that parasites are what’s causing my asthma/chest tightness. Why is that? Also, you mention that the flukes are the hardest parasites to get rid of. Do your products eradicate them? Or do they just get the intestinal flukes. Thanks for your help.   [End]
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When she was 4 years old or so, my daughter developed terrible eczema. It drove her and us nuts for close to a year. Finally, my wife gave her a pretty powerful probiotic, Bio K+. It’s kind of like a super-yogurt that comes in a little tub. You’re supposed to start with 1/4 tub or less, but my wife didn’t know so she gave her a whole tub. The next day my daughter had terrible diarrhea. But that seemed to ”break the back” of her eczema. From then on she started to heal, and eventually it went away. My 8-year-old has a tendency to get tummy aches, and this product is pretty effec ...
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You never had any mucoid plaque come out? Did you ever stick with a cleanse for 2 or 3 months? In many cases, that’s what it takes. I did my first cleanse (Holistic Horizons) about 20 years ago, and couldn’t believe what came out. It looked exactly like those disgusting pictures in the Jensen book, Tissue Cleansing through Bowel Management. I think it took about two months to get the amazing stuff, though. There are also some old messages on this forum by a colon hydrotherapist named ptree; she also took about 2 months before mucoid plaque started coming out but once it did, it con ...
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The best, verified successes in healing cancer come not from adding this product or that product, but from a comprehensive approach that combines intensive nutrition with detox. One proven program is the Gerson approach (www.gerson.org). Another approach with a sterling success rate is the Kelley/Gonzalez protocol (www.dr-gonzalez.com). I believe that with either of those approaches, you have a much better chance of a lasting cure than with chemo and radiation. Good luck.   [End]
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Thanks for your reply. I’ve had this chest tightness/asthma for about 9 months now. I have it 24/7. The formal diagnosis of asthma comes from blowing into a spirometer -- it takes me about 9 seconds to blow out the volume of air I should be able to blow out in 3 seconds. Other than that, it’s atypical for asthma. I have no wheezing ever, no coughing up phlegm, my sinuses are clear and I can always breathe through my nose. It’s sometimes a little better, sometimes worse, but it’s there all the time. Thanks.   [End]
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I have a weird ”dry” asthma -- no wheezing, coughing or mucus, just tightness in chest and the feeling I’m breathing through a very narrow straw. I did the Clark parasite cleanse and 2 weeks of fairly high-dose oregano oil, and I don’t see any change. Any thoughts or comments? Thanks   [End]
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I certainly agree that liver cleansing and detox is essential. But I’ve come to question whether Hulda-Clark-style Liver Flushes are the best way to go about it. I like the slow-but-steady approach where you can work at the cleanse day in and day out as part of your lifestyle, rather than heroic measures that make you feel better if they don’t kill you first. In the Gerson protocol, you drink many fresh-squeezed vegetable juices daily and do coffee enemas at a ratio of one coffee enema to every 3 cups vegetable juice taken. Also, once or twice a week you do a castor oil treatment, consi ...
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I certainly agree that liver cleansing and detox is essential. But I’ve come to question whether Hulda-Clark-style liver flushes are the best way to go about it. I like the slow-but-steady approach where you can work at the cleanse day in and day out as part of your lifestyle, rather than heroic measures that make you feel better if they don’t kill you first. In the Gerson protocol, you drink many fresh-squeezed vegetable juices daily and do coffee enemas at a ratio of one coffee enema to every 3 cups vegetable juice taken. Also, once or twice a week you do a castor oil treatment, co ...
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I once found an on-line seller of homeopathic remedies that has a pretty interesting self-prescribing website. Can’t remember their name. I went through it but couldn’t really find something that was a close fit.   [End]
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I give her credit for being an original thinker. But her counsel would be alot more valuable and a lot more credible if she were a little more down-to-earth and measured in her statements. With her bombastic and grandiose claims and book titles, it’s very hard to know what to believe and what to discard.   [End]
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Could you describe in some detail what you did to cure yourself of asthma? Thanks   [End]
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I did the whole parasite cleanse and an additional 2 weeks of fairly high-dose oregano oil (60-80 drops a day), and I don’t really feel any different. You treat asthma? My asthma is atypical in that it is ”dry” -- that is, I have no wheezing, no mucus production, virtually no coughing. It’s just a constant tightness in my chest, like a steel band around it, making it impossible to take a deep breath. It’s also somewhat difficult to breathe in and out, causing me to have a poor spirometry score and hence the diagnosis of asthma. Any thoughts as to cause or treatment? Thanks.   [End]
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I sent a slide with a drop of my blood on it to a guy who does darkfield microscopy, to see if he could tell me what is causing my asthma. The next day he told me very confidently that my blood was loaded with lung flukes. He even sent me a picture of what looked like a fluke -- supposedly taken from my blood. He then sold me a VERY expensive parasite cleanse kit. My question is: is this credible? I mean, my understanding is that flukes are relatively large. Could they really find their way into the tiny capillaries near a fingertip?   [End]
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If you have ascaris or tapeworms that escape black walnut, cloves and wormwood, Hulda Clark recommends megadoses of co-q10 for a period of time. If that doesn’t work, then she recommends a half tbsp of ozonated olive oil twice a day for a period of time. If that doesn’t work, then and only then should you bring out the BIG gun -- 1 tbsp of ozonated olive oil twice in one day. That’s it. According to her, no stage of tapeworm or ascaris can escape this one-day treatment. Does this make any sense? I mean, why not just do the one-day treatment of two one-tbsp doses of ozonated olive ...
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The ingredients are listed in his book, and on the labels of the bottles the stuff comes in. On the cleansing formula, the herbs are listed as irish moss, cloves, plantain, rosemary, bayberry bark, and corn silk extract. On the bulking formula, it lists psyllium husks, onion, dandelion root, spirulina, plantago endosperm and embryo, and cloves. You should call and tell them your annoyance at not listing the ingredients. Maybe they’ll change it. They’re a bit of a sleepy company, much less aggressive than most of their competitors, and maybe they need to be goaded into action a little.
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Again, read Colon Health Handbook by Robert Gray. Whatever kind of colon cleanse you do, it is a great guide as to how to stay on that ”razor’s edge” of getting at least a little old mucoid matter with almost every stool, while not increasing the cleansing agent so fast that you start to get backed up and constipated.   [End]
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The website is http://www.holistichorizons.com. I also highly recommend the book written by the guy who developed their program, Robert Gray. It’s called Colon Health Handbook. Unlike a lot of alternative health books, it is very measured and reasonable in its tone and claims, and therefore extremely credible. Even if you continue with the P&B shakes, the info in this book will be very helpful in guiding you in determining when to increase or lower the doses, how to know if it’s working, etc.   [End]
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I get psoriasis on my legs and arms in the winter. Last winter I did a very modified Gerson therapy -- just the juices and coffee enemas. I did about 6 homemade vegetable juices a day -- mostly carrot/apple juice but some green juices as well -- and 2 coffee enemas. On the Gerson therapy you do a ratio of 1 coffee enema for every 3 8-oz. juices. Within about a month the psoriasis was gone.   [End]
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You may be right about the small intestine being the source of most ”mucoid plaque.” Wherever it comes from, there’s no doubt in my mind it’s real. I did a Holistic Horizons bowel cleanse about 20 years ago, and I simply couldn’t believe what came out. I’ve done a few since then which also produced good results, but not so incredible as the first one. I started another HH cleanse 6 days ago, the first in about ten years, wondering if perhaps my memory was playing tricks on me. But already, there’s no question about it. This morning in my stool there was very green stuff mixed in wi ...
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I have ”dry” asthma -- no wheezing or coughing up mucus, just clenching/pressure in chest and ”resistance” to breathing. For someone with these symptoms, might Air Restore be helpful?   [End]
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I learned that Robert Gray, the creator of the Holistic Horizons colon cleanse products, died some years ago (maybe 10 years ago or so?). He must have been very young. Does anyone know the cause of death?   [End]
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For the past 8 months or so I’ve had tightness in my chest 24/7, along with a formal diagnosis of asthma. I also often have a feeling in my throat of pressure, like someone’s choking me. To say the least, it is uncomfortable and disturbing. I feel like I’ve tried everything: Buteyko, juicing and coffee enemas, a parasite cleanse, liver flush, a course of high-dose oregano oil, coconut oil, all to no avail. I was tested for mycobacteria, thinking that I might benefit from long-term antibiotics, but tested negative. My asthma is strange in that my nose is clear (I’m always able to bre ...
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This was exactly Dr. Max Gerson’s theory -- that cancer patients have too much sodium and too little potassium. And not only cancer patients -- he believed this imbalance underlies most chronic health conditions and diseases. Gerson is far more credible to me than most because his many cures of tuberculosis (including Albert Schweitzer’s wife’s TB in the days before antibiotics), auto-immune diseases and cancer are meticulously documented and have withstood the withering scrutiny of mainstream docs. He corrected it with diet, LOTS of freshly-pressed vegetable and apple juices, fortifi ...
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You’re right that there IS a concern about the safety of doing constant coffee enemas. Too many can deplete your electrolytes, a serious health concern. The trick is to replace the electrolytes with fresh-squeezed vegetable juices. On the Gerson therapy and the Kelley therapy patients drink such juices many times a day, and that is what makes the constant coffee enemas safe. The Gerson people recommend a ratio of one coffee enema for every 3 cups of fresh-squeezed juice. I’m sure it’s okay to exceed that for a while but over the long term it’s probably a good idea to keep that ratio i ...
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What is the medicinal value of turpentine? Thanks.   [End]
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Good work! Could you post the entire protocol you came up with? For example, how much Milk of Magnesia did you use to replace the Epsom Salt dose? Also, what made you decide that it would be as effective to do it during the day as overnight? Thanks for your time!   [End]
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I’m preparing for my first liver flush, and I’m a little concerned about the ”butt pee” I keep reading about. Somebody suggested starting at 7:00 am rather than 6:00 pm and doing the whole thing throughout the day in order to avoid any such leakage or sleepless night. How common is the butt pee problem? Also, any thoughts about starting at 7:00 am and being done with the whole thing by bedtime?   [End]
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I’m preparing to do my first liver flush in a few days (just finishing up my parasite cleanse). Someone suggested an alternate schedule for the Hulda Clark liver flush: rather than do it overnight you start in the morning and are done by bed time. That is, you take the first Epsom Salt dose at 7:00 am instead of 6:00 pm. Other than that, it’s the same. The advantage to me seems to be that there’s no issue of the ”butt pee” on your bed, and less worry about having a bad night. By moving around during the day instead of sleeping, I wonder if that wouldn’t also help dislodge stones. ...
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