Fantastic Michael. I felt similar at the end of my 30 day fast. I did get a return of hunger but still felt there was some detoxing left to do. It’s always better at that stage of a fast to err on the side of caution. You’ve done amazing things for your body, and because your goal includes changing your lifestyle as well you will certainly reap the maximum benefit from this fast. Take care, Andrew.   [End]
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Thanks for the tips mouseclick. I’ve upgraded again while I can afford it, may not be for very long though we’ll just see how the budget handles it now I’ve moved. I’m savouring the Gau’uld, it’s the last of a very entertaining show. I’m still going through Dr. Who too so it will wait for that. :) Andrew.   [End]
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Ah I get what you mean. I’ve bought fruit cocktails like that while out as well. I always make a point to ask them not to put any premaid juice or anything like that in it- they have tubs of orange and apple juice down the back as well as what they make fresh and who knows what’s in that- so yeah as long as you look over their shoulders it should be fine. ;) Thanks for the welcome. Andrew.   [End]
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err, does it have milk in it? If so no. Some kind of nut milk freshly made would be okay, but even that I wouldn’t suggest after a fast of any longer than 5-7 days. Stick to fresh fruit or freshly made juice. Melons go well in the blender just on their own, or if you want to bend the food combining rules a bit add some strawberries, and even a banana. All of that would be okay but not milk. Be careful of anything processed there’s very little that doesn’t have hidden extras in it that you just don’t want immediately following a fast. Andrew.   [End]
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Hi all, yep I’ve moved and am hoping to get back into the swing of things here soon. Among other things having a slow internet connection really makes keeping up with forums like this very difficult- so many posts and having to wait for each one to load individually! It can be very frustrating at times, especially having had the faster speed and having been able to just go a couple of dozen times and just read through them at my leisure. ;) I may be able to fix this little problem soon, either way I’ll try and get back into it as best I can. It will be good to be back properly, I miss ...
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This is just spam aldous. The body makes it’s own cortisone while fasting and it does wonders for the skin, it doesn’t need any help. Andrew.   [End]
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I have little doubt you could do one long fast to complete your goal. However I have only seen a few recorded fasts like this and would certainly recommend finding a professional to supervise you, at least beyond say 50-70 days. You can also achieve the same results by doing shorter fasts, maybe still very long ones in themselves, and eating raw food in between. I myself fasted about half of the last four months of 2007 in fasts of varying lengths and eating 90% raw food in between. I lost 40 kgs over that time and have kept that off and a bit more since. You aren’t losing any time d ...
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The body cleans and repairs what it needs to while fasting. If you are truly constipated and not just one who is less regular that is common then the body will remedy this while fasting. Many intestinal problems cannot be healed while they are in use, or only heal very slowly. When not in use the body can focus it’s energy on repairing any problems there and achieve results very quickly. While you are fasting also what is in the bowels already will continue to be processed and if necessary will be expelled during the fast. If not necessary or you don’t fast long enough for this to happen d ...
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Liquifying can help. There have been times when my kids haven’t wanted whole fruit for breakfast and then I blend up melons, strawberries etc for their delight. This was enough for years. Now that they are getting toast and cereal at the ’other house’ I have competition from processed foods. I never give into this for breakfast and always have a range of fruits on hand knowing that one at least will tempt them enough to start off the day with. Right now they prefer whole fruit again, no doubt when I offer them the blended fruit again it will be a great new treat for them by then. :) Jus ...
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No need to clear anything else up. You’re just posting the same quotes and one medical doctors opinion about dry fasting. He says he’s seen it cause problems but he backs nothing up as we keep commenting. And dry fasting is just water fasting following the guidelines of having water according to thirst. As I said in my post which you short-quoted just reposting the bit where I said it’s ’not a dry fasting forum’ we DON’T make an issue here of dry fasting unless people ask for advice relating to it or somebody assumes to try and discourage people away from it. Dry fasting is great for th ...
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”I agree with chrisb1 that this discussion is getting weary, and to the rest of the board, it’s your body, make your own decision based on all the facts.” Agreed. :)   [End]
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”This isn’t a dry fasting forum Bingo, therein lies the problem. This is the water fasting support forum, so why are we discussing dry fasting? ” ha ha I could have bet money you’d say that. :p As far as comprehending the first post I did and that’s why I responded the way I did. Their message was very clear and mine was in return. Cheers, Andrew.   [End]
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I agree with you absolutely Sacristia that everyone needs to make their own mind up. The body uses it’s own supplies of water when dry fasting though so detox does not go slower but actually faster. Fat cells are mostly water and more fat cells are broken down during a dry fast to release this water as needed and it goes where it is needed. On the other hand if we drink too much water during a fast it simply gets dumped straight back out of our body and energy actually goes into excreting the excess water we are drinking again taking energy away from more important tasks instead of aiding ...
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Salt stimulates the tastebuds which sends messages to the brain which in turn signals the heart to divert blood flow and energy to the digestion system taking that energy away from whatever healing or detox tasks the fasting body had going on at the time. Salt is a nutrient and required by our body in the correct measure. The salt and water balance in the body is regulated during a fast and should not be tampered with. Andrew.   [End]
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The only doctors you should ask about fasting related matters are doctors who are also experienced fasting supervisors. You will find one such on this website: http://www.fastingconnection.com And there is a dry fasting forum there also and plenty of ’professional’ advice and opinions shared by him on the matter. We need a lot less water while fasting than eating as the digestion system requires a large amount of water, which doesn’t come all from our food unless we are eating raw food which has the proper water content to aid digestion in it already. It is for this reason de ...
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Jennalee I’m not surprised you’re confused with the debate going on in here currently. Dry fasting is not dangerous. If you don’t want water while fasting you can very safely go without it. Just about anyone anytime can go without water for 24-36 hours. Most of us can safely go without water for 3-5 days. Extreme heat or loss of water through sweating of course could effect these figures. But as a rule your body won’t let you sit back and die of thirst any more than it would let you die of hunger without telling you something is wrong. When you’re hungry you get a strong desire to eat and ...
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Disagreed In Charge. The reason I started arguing against the original post was more because it was trying to scare people away from dry fasting with no good reason. Seriously, coming into a fasting support forum and trying to argue it’s dangerous is just ridiculous. And as I’ve said plenty of water fasters here will never dry fast and have expressed that they don’t like the idea much, but they don’t try to scare other people off it because they respect the people here who do do it. This isn’t a dry fasting forum and we don’t make a big deal of it, but I won’t sit by while someone comes ...
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I guess one reason I don’t quote stuff very often is I think I’d rather be taken on my word and it seen that it is just out of my head and my opinion. It’s also one reason I wouldn’t be much good doing a course at university, I don’t like using other people’s words to make my thoughts look more valid. ;) They are just my thoughts, but they are valid enough to me at the time. How others take them is up to them. Andrew. P.S. I google searched some of what I just wrote mouseclick, and-phew!- nothing relevant came up. Either what I just wrote is original or I’m just babbling and totally ...
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Doctors aren’t very open minded when it comes to fasting as a rule and less so when it comes to dry fasting, so a degree in this case is not an advantage. Nobody is trying to convert anyone from thinking dry fasting is dangerous to thinking it’s safe. Feel free to think it’s dangerous and say that. But this is a support forum and if someone expresses interest in the concept don’t try and scare them off it. That is unfair. As I have said already we get enough closed minded aggressive responses to fasting outside of support forums like this, we don’t need that attitude in here. Andrew.   [End]
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Your hypothetical person or people who are supposed to be dying any length of time following a dry fast are just fictional. If dehydration is a cause of death that is measurable and if there was even a hint of what you say we’d get the usual media hysteria we get periodically about people dying supposedly due to fasting. It just doesn’t happen. I first started dry fasting in late 2003, I did many fasts 3 days and more and a couple of 5 day dry fasts. One was on a hot summers day and I was out working with a disabled client pushing her around in the heat. No doubt you’d say I was dehydrated ...
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I don’t think your post was at all offensive and agree pretty much with what you said about not fasting just to lose weight. It’s certainly true that it’s hard not to focus on the weight side of it if you’ve been overweight for a while and tried other things without success etc. But as you say in the long run fasting should be part of a new lifestyle and shouldn’t be used as a prophylactic to keep us safe from a normal modern diet. I don’t believe that would work because fasting is fantastic but it does have it’s limits, and fasting while eating unhealthy food could well prove too much for ...
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It’s safe to fast as long as you’ve got fuel in your body to keep you functioning well. So a case of how long is a piece of string. The danger if you do an extended fast isn’t in the fast itself as a rule but in the breaking of it. I wouldn’t suggest breaking it with that box of popcorn you have in your profile pic for example. :p So read up about fasting and especially about how to break a fast correctly and you will be more than safe, in the end you will be healthier than ever. As for when you start losing weight, that happens as soon as you stop eating. Here’s an excellent free on ...
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Processed foods have an addictive effect on our bodies for sure prakash. Give in a bit and we risk falling back into the same old patterns of eating. I went through something similar to you, putting on a lot more weight though. Well done on turning your situation around as well. :) Andrew.   [End]
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Hi Jacqui. Often the body will respond to our exercising by providing more energy and it’s no problem at all. If your body isn’t doing this for you it’s probably a sign you were exercising a bit too much. Each fast is different though and as you clear out more toxins and your body becomes healthier more energy will become available for other things than detox and healing. It’s a matter of experimenting really as there are no hard and fast rules. Some say Active fasting is nearly always better while others recommend resting all the time. I think listening to your body as much as possible is ...
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I would stay away from the salt myself. Or anything that stimulates the tastebuds and/or adds any kind of nutrition to the body. It probably won’t hurt too much in the early days of a fast but the longer you go the more even something little like that could effect the fast a lot more than you might think. On the other hand sometimes a compromise between doing what is right and what works for you to keep you fasting is a necessary. Just be aware of the risks. Take care, Andrew.   [End]
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Thankyou sihaya. This post is better worded and would have received less flack from me and others here. Opinions are welcome even when they differ, I just get upset when the opinions are put forward as strong advice AGAINST fasting whether it is water or dry fasting. This is a fasting support forum, not an anti-fasting forum. Many here who water fast don’t dry fast and probably share your opinion but they respect others here who do dry fast and have the research and experience to know that it is quite safe to do. Take care, Andrew.   [End]
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Don’t drink too much because of exercise, still just take sips when you need them and wait a while after your workout to see if you still feel thirsty before drinking large amounts. I workout regularly while dry fasting and don’t have any problems though I sweat profusely at times. I’m not saying you should dry fast by any means, that’s personal choice, just not to overdo the water because too much water just puts a burden on the body. Andrew.   [End]
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Yep you already posted that. The first fasting book I ever read was about dry fasting written by a Doctor. I know a doctor who practices dry fasting himself now also online, he posts regularly at this website: http://www.fastingconnection.com Your opinion is noted. However the fact is that dry fasting is as safe as water fasting. Your claims and the doctor’s remarks are not backed up by examples of anyone going on a dry fast and dying of dehydration. They wouldn’t be because such things really don’t happen, any more than people are regularly dying of starvation while water fasti ...
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Dry fasting doesn’t induce headaches. The body can comfortably go without water for many days with no discomfort at all. I myself have gone seven days with no food or water and had only benefit from the experience not any problems at all. And I concur with the authorities that say it is more effective than water fasting absolutely. The body must break down more fat and therefore detox more to get the water it needs to live on. Just like water fasting isn’t depriving the body of sustenance, dry fasting is not depriving the body of water. It is the same thing really, when you fast you should ...
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It’s just like living next to a train line Dawn. Your mind will filter out what you need it to to preserve your sanity! Some of it will certainly fade after the fast, the rest you will just get used to. Andrew.   [End]
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I think reverse osmosis filters are pretty good. When I found out my normal jug filter wasn’t doing the job and actually letting the fluoride pass through it I researched the reverse osmosis but couldn’t afford it whereas I could afford the cask water. It probably does work out cheaper for the environment at least if you let the water be mass filtered than done by each family at their home. Andrew.   [End]
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In Australia we can get noble’s pureau water in 10 litre casks for a good price. It’s as pure as it gets without distilling and works well. When I drink any water at all, it’s from there. Andrew.   [End]
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Unfortunately the nausea and vomitting are normal detox symptoms these days with our modern diet. You are probably in for the same thing again and again until all those toxins are gone. The only advice I can give you is to take less water when you feel like this not more and try to ride it through. Remember each time you get that crap in your stomach it has passed out of your body and wants to be excreted, it doesn’t matter to the body which way it happens. But each time you let it happen it is getting closer to finishing the job. Always break your fast with fruit only and raw food for ...
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Yes depression can certainly ’come up’ while fasting if it’s something you’re susceptible to. Again, if you can be strong and last through the blues you’ll be a lot better off for having the willpower to make it through. I think you’ve got more faith in the medical food than me, I’d be inclined to think it’s the partial fast that’s doing the good work and the medical food is just along for the ride. Okay so I’m biased, but I admit it, they won’t. :p Take care, Andrew.   [End]
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Fasting with diarrhea wouldn’t be a bad thing. Your body isn’t processing it’s food properly so it’s better off not having the food. When you rest it from the food the diarrhea will stop of course and the gut will have time to repair whatever condition has caused it. I think that’s a bit limitting only accepting credit cards! Did you contact any of them? Surely they’d take a bank transferral instead. Money is money. Anyway, I hope you find what you need. Take care, Andrew.   [End]
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I think the jury is out on what causes the leg pain. It could be toxins mobilising in your legs or repairing going on of some unseen ailment like varicose veins or something. Usually anything flaring up on a fast is a sign that the body is hard at work trying to fix the problem. Do think about changing to a full water fast. Whatever the metagenics claim they can do I guarantee it won’t compare to a water fast. Check out this link too: http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201hyglibcat/020127shelton.III/020127.toc.htm Take care, Andrew.   [End]
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Yeah the electrolyte water isn’t needed, especially not on a fast of that length. We can’t expect perfection from a motion picture I guess. *sighs* Andrew.   [End]
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Wow that looks great mouseclick, I hope I can afford to go see it when it comes out!   [End]
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You are experiencing some detox symptoms. Your body uses methods it is already used to using for detox, and excema is one of those for some people. It can also set off Anxiety symptoms but that is usually for the better too. Whatever the body does while fasting, it is also trying to heal that condition as well and return your body to health. You aren’t doing a complete water fast however, while eating and taking the metagenics. Especially eating while ’fasting’ is not fasting at all but a starvation diet and not to be advised at all. I have no experience with metagenics or leaky gut syn ...
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On the main forum page Chris where all the posts are listed right up the top there is a ’Descriiption’ link. This is what you’ll find in there: ”For all talk related to Water Fasting Be aware that to go on water fast, you must first insure that your bowel, your kidneys and your liver are perfectly clean, or you may be risking your health! So, before you decide to go on water fast for longer then 24 hours, you should first do full bowel/parasites cleansing, kidney cleansing and liver flush. Just before fast, and during fast, enema is recommended, to keep bowel clean! Water fa ...
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Gah you’re right chocolate cake. That introduction page is bad advice and should be removed. Andrew.   [End]
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Hmm, I suppose if we take ketosis to be the state of internal nutrition, it can get ’stronger’ when there is more healing or detox to be done. It may need to provide us with more fuel or protein for example for certain healing tasks. The choice to exercise may have the same effect, keeping our metabolism at a higher rate to accomplish the activity we choose to continue. But the state of ketosis itself is fairly passive, in that it just provides the fuel and nutrition needed for the body to function in it’s various tasks while fasting. There is some other force at work which guides the body ...
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Good luck with the test mouseclick, I’m sure you’ll pass with flying colours. Who knows, you may even make a convert of him. Stick a few links like the Shelton online book at the end of your email, that wouldn’t hurt either. ;) It’s always best to avoid the lies, though being truthful doesn’t always have such a happy ending sadly. Take care, Andrew.   [End]
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Yes mama ducky, all raw food should be eaten at room temperature.   [End]
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”High water content raw fruit is perfect for breaking just about any fast. juicing is optional but not necessary.” Shelton isn’t the only authority. Breaking a fast on whole fruits is not dangerous. Only eating too much could be. I myself have broken a 30 day fast on whole fruit, starting with orange the same as this person with no ill effects. Andrew.   [End]
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Good luck Jimmy. I hope your doctor supports you. However if they don’t you may need to look further for some professional support. Natural Hygiene doctors support fasting and so do Cranial Osteopaths, and will be happy to supervise you while you fast. Also there is a list of fasting retreats and some doctors and supervisors that offer online consultations here: http://www.fastingconnection.com I’d offer to chat but I don’t have aim, only live messenger, yahoo, irc and google talk lol. Take care, Andrew.   [End]
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Do your own research on colloidal silver and decide for yourself. But don’t take it while fasting, nothing should be added while fasting. I doubt there is an authority around who could vouch for it’s absolute safety while fasting so the ’golden rule’ should not be broken for it. Andrew.   [End]
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Absolutely bella. I drink no water and I assure you plenty of detox goes on. I’ve urinated excessively and had diarrhea while dry fasting before. Flushing happens if and when it is needed. The body is a very ’smart’ machine indeed and does what is needed when it is needed. Andrew.   [End]
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The reason the original poster didn’t remove all toxins during his fast was simple- the fast wasn’t long enough. The fasting process does not need any help and is the most efficient method of letting the body heal and detox itself. The body does not try to rip the whole apple apart at once following your analogy but prioritises the needs of the body and takes things one step at a time. This can be seen clearly by the fact that the bowels were inactive up until very late in the fast. They only became active when needed- the body doesn’t try to do everything at once. And the reason we are ...
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Hopefully you don’t get worse symptoms bella, but I often find my tongue stays clear past the fourth day too, only gunking up a bit later in the fast. I guess other things are going on earlier in the fast and that part of the detox takes longer to kick in as we get cleaner... Sometimes at least. :) I’m sure your skin will improve again during the fast, I hope it’s soon and permanent this time! Take care, Andrew.   [End]
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I’ve found bananas on their own don’t cut it after they’ve tried other icecreams with other people. Add some strawberries or mangoes or blueberries or something to the bananas before you freeze them and you’ll bring them back two ’raw’ again. ;) Also almond milk smoothies are a huge hit. That keeps them from eating toast in the morning when they want their ’toast and cereal’ and are refusing the yummiest of fruit. Even when they complain all through me making the smoothie they never refuse to drink it when I put it down in front of them. :) Again though, just banana doesn’t do it for th ...
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lol pretty much what I said Chris. I must admit I scanned the post after reading the first inaccurate advice though and missed that ”The rest returns to body tissue, and organs.” comment. Eeek, talk about putting down fasting. I think that happens to a very small extent when a fast is ended prematurely, but as you say it’s only what is in the bloodstream at the time the fast is ended if it happens and hardly negates the effects of the previous 46 days effort. Andrew.   [End]
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You will get used to your heightened sense of smell Dawn. You don’t actually want it to go away, it is like having better vision or greater healing, it’s a good thing! But don’t worry you got used to their smells before and you’ll do it again, the human brain can filter out what it doesn’t like. :) I’ve been a Carer so trust me I know this happens, we have to deal with worse smells than you are describing even! Andrew.   [End]
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I think I sent a message to hopinso with a reply for that one mouseclick but he hasn’t been around for a while. Andrew.   [End]
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I have to disagree with several points there In Charge. Long fasts are almost always better if the person’s lifestyle and motivation are up to it. No preparation is needed, and the only preparation I would suggest for fasting unless there is a specific medical condition involved would be to eat raw foods until a natural healing crisis signals ’the perfect time’ to begin a fast. The fasting body is very capable of releasing toxins in whatever amounts that are necessary and does everything that specific ’cleanses’ do but a whole lot more at the same time. High water content raw f ...
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Congratulations on an awesome fast. I have had loose bowel actions during a fast too that shouldn’t be anything to worry about. There is often not much solid matter left in there to move of course but there can be a lot of debris that has been shifted during the fast and the body sends water into the bowels to flush it out. An enema from the right direction. :) Your stomach feeling not quite right after eating isn’t surprising seeing as you broke your fast before completion, take it very very easy for the next day or two until your bodies digestion system starts itself back up fully aga ...
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That sounds like a great plan mama ducky. 30 days fasting and 30 days raw will be of incredible benefit to your body and your life. The way you describe eating is how I do it also, so if I do add anything cooked to my meals it is a very small part of the meal in addition to salad veggies. Good luck with it, and take care. :) Andrew.   [End]
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Hi bopsie best of luck on your new life! I’m fasting from today as well but I don’t offer myself as a fasting partner anymore as my fasts rarely go longer than a few days to a week lately. 33 pounds is a very specific amount. Fasting for weight loss is great but I would never use it for just losing a specific amount of weight myself. The aim of a fast is to clean out the body of stored toxins along with the excess fat stores and repair any areas of dis-ease. Ideally the fast should be done to completion and then you refeed UP to a healthy weight which your body will find itself easily a ...
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Try http://www.fastingconnection.com to find a professional fasting supervisor to advise you. Otherwise look up Natural Hygiene doctors in your area or Cranial Osteopaths as they also treat people towards health using fasting as a main tool for gaining health. Good luck with it, and stay clear of the antibiotics or any other medical intervention until you’ve given your body the best chance you can to heal itself. Take care, Andrew.   [End]
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The advice I think that works best for panic attacks is not to try to reduce them but to ’endure’ them when they occur and then continue on with what you were doing once they are over. If there are more going on during her fast than usual take it as a sign that her body is using the fast to heal an imbalance that may well help reduce them in future. Wish her luck. Take care, both of you. Andrew.   [End]
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Sounds like a great place to fast to me Dawn! On the beach with shade if you need it, pure paradise. :) No doubt there will be good healthy raw food around if you do need to break your fast while you’re there too, just source it as soon as you get there so you’re prepared. :) Take care, Andrew.   [End]
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No Loosie unfortunately not. Fasting is not magic and won’t regrow a retina or a limb or separate siamese twins either. However there is a good chance it will allow the body to put right a skin condition which is not conducive to the health of the person that has it. And it is worth trying for a lot of other reasons besides healing any one problem however severe as a general rule. So that even if the condition doesn’t heal or even improve- very unlikely in most cases- the other benefits will certainly make it worthwhile having done. Take care Loosie. Andrew.   [End]
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Real hunger is described as a definite desire for one natural food. For example oranges or apples or mangoes or similar. Not burgers or chips or chocolate. The desire will persist longer than a craving and will still be around hours after you first become aware of it and even overnight. It is not set off by watching other people eat, or by smells or any other stimuli, it grows from within in response to our bodies need for fuel or energy, not from without. Twelve days would usually be too soon to have a return to hunger but it’s not unheard of. The best advice I can give is not to give in ...
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Hmm, I think you are giving too much power to genetics myself. I don’t think it changes the human body to make a diseased condition normal. It just makes us susceptible to certain conditions. But that’s semantics really. Whatever you believe about it you haven’t given your body a good enough chance to heal the condition. If you give up now you’re giving up too soon. Take care, Andrew.   [End]
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Don’t underestimate the power of the human body to heal itself when given the opportunity to do so. And don’t give up on it until you have. Andrew.   [End]
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Whenever you feel physically and emotionally ready to go for your next fast will be soon enough mother weary. As you would know by now it’s only technically as many days as you fasted to wait until the recovery period is over but apart from that if you are attuned to your body and keen to begin again soon you will probably feel when the time is right intuitively. Andrew.   [End]
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As you said in your first post Blessed, your husband wouldn’t start out fasting while working. If he wants to do that after experiencing fasting on his rest days first he may well find out he has plenty of energy and that will be okay. Well done for stopping the painkillers. I hope the pain stops for you soon! Take care, Andrew.   [End]
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Your symptoms are normal. Don’t worry if you throw up the junk has to get out some way and if the stomach is agitated too much by the toxic stuff being dumped in it then the mouth is the quickest way of relief. Your husband would definitely benefit from Intermittent Fasting in the way you suggest. Most fruits would be fine for his days of eating, whatever he likes best and will keep him satisfied. High water content raw foods will give the most cleansing benefits, but anything raw is good for our bodies and will keep us nourished, strong and on the road to better health. Andrew.   [End]
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Our genes are just pointers to some illnesses that our bodies are susceptible to. It doesn’t mean we’ll get them just that we are more likely to. And having got them it doesn’t mean we can’t heal them. Fasting also isn’t just about healing one thing like modern medicine is concerned with, it is about overall health. Follow the principles of fasting and natural hygiene and you will have the best chance of gaining full health and that should mean being free of your skin condition also. For medical conditions like yours it might also be worth seeking professional advice from an experienced fa ...
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plasticat it’s no theory. What I said was that if you fasted until the crisis was over the body would heal over the outbreaks it had caused. You ended the fast before this happened. The scars may still heal but while not fasting it won’t be as quick. Andrew.   [End]
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Honey and water is not a water fast. You need to drink water only on a fast or you will be interfering with the process. That will lessen the effects of the fast at best and could be dangerous for your health at worst. Andrew.   [End]
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I wouldn’t take the medication while fasting. Any medication can have uncertain effects while fasting. The body absorbs everything better for one thing, so the medication could be far stronger in effect than normal and the side effects also. And yes it will interfere with the fast. Andrew.   [End]
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Cooked foods like plain broth are good for breaking a fast when you want to have LESS detox continue following a fast. This can be useful in some cases, and it’s quite possible that the urge to overeat is a symptom that can be controlled in this way for you. Good luck with it. :) Andrew.   [End]
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People often say vegans need to be very careful about their diets. This may be true but it’s no less true than for anyone else. Meat eaters suffer at least as much dietary inadequacies as vegans are reported to. The only difference is that the meat eaters problems are far better reported being the mainstream. And since the vegan diet, just like fasting, isn’t well researched, there’s free license to make sweeping claims about the reasons it doesn’t work based on a few testimonials from people who have failed on it. I’ve been vegetarian and vegan on and off since I had my last bit of fle ...
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I have read of people using raw nuts and seeds to break a fast within a couple of days of a 40 day fast with only positive results. This is with severe illness that particularly wanted a LOT of repair of vital organs damaged by that illness- not a normal case at all. I personally prefer to wait nearly half the time I fasted before adding nuts and seeds in small quantities and make sure I fletcherise or chew them thoroughly before swallowing. I can’t comment on the flesh as my answer would be biased of course. Andrew.   [End]
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Yeah but Teal’c has an immature one inside him, if he left it in too long it would take over his mind. I don’t want to spoil it for you but they eventually use a drug to replace the need for that particular parasite. Only in science fiction could we discover a drug that could come close to being as good for us as a real parasite though. :)   [End]
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Try preparing for your fast with high raw food content in your diet. Fruit for breakfast, large salad meals and even a fruit salad as your last meal before fasting the next day. Even when I was still craving junk doing this would make my body feel far more satisfied during the first few days of the fast and cravings were not an issue. Andrew.   [End]
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Good luck Loosie. Keep going the way you’re going and breaking your fasts correctly and your symptoms will improve and fasting will become easier for sure. Andrew.   [End]
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Great to hear from you lauray, and fantastic to hear you’re doing so well. :) Take care, Andrew.   [End]
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Just like fasting can be jumped into right away, so can raw foodism. It is the natural way for our bodies to live. Sure there will be a transition period where the body will complain as it throws off old toxins but the final results will come far quicker if we just dive in and do it. The only thing keeping us eating the old poisonous foods is habit and holding onto some of that old comfort zone. There is not ’health’ reason not to eat as much raw food as you can as soon as you can. It is the food our bodies are designed for, and 99% of everything else is poison to us in some form or other. ...
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I have to disagree Nadia. I think fasting should be the first option considered to help with any problem and only discarded as an option in extreme circumstances. The need to binge after a fast isn’t as common as some people make it sound. A correctly conducted and ended fast doesn’t have to be like that at all. Fasting IS a great way to break bad eating habits and go cold turkey on foods that aren’t good for us. It has worked that way for me for sure. Andrew.   [End]
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Yes it certainly can riseabove. Focus on how you will break your fast rather than on the days not eating and stick to your resolve in breaking it and you will achieve your goal. Good luck and take care, Andrew.   [End]
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Sounds like your fast is going really well zobo. You’re right about the extra sleeping, it’s obviously what your body needs most right now. Try putting pillows between your legs when you’re on your side, maybe behind your back even, wherever you feel they might lessen the pressure. Your refeeding plan is fantastic by the way, good luck with it all. :) Take care, Andrew.   [End]
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We have enough enzymes to break down and fully digest and absorb all the raw foods we eat. We could eat grass if necessary, I just can’t imagine spending my whole day grazing like a sheep just to get the amount we’d need. We couldn’t live on gum leaves like a koala or digest a lot of stuff a goat seems to be able to shove in it’s mouth but when we talk about raw food on here we are not talking about anything extreme like that. Our enzymes are quite healthy, and far healthier when we fast regularly AND eat raw foods, which provide their own. This is one thing cooked and processed foods a ...
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I sometimes overeat raw foods after a fast. The longer the fast the less this is likely to happen though. If you think about it, it takes a few days to get into full ketosis and then the body has had three days on reduced nutrition so if you break the fast too soon the body itself may still be fairly ravenous from being on short commons so to speak. While we are still fasting this is no problem- we just devour as much fat as we need for energy- and may be one of the reasons why we lose so much weight in the early days of the fast. However if we break the fast in these early days we risk be ...
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Hi Mother weary. I think it’s already been said but your body is well into full ketosis right now and supplying you full nutrition from it’s stores. The extra energy and sleeplessness is one sign of this. You’re right about the ’hunger’ pains not being hunger. Hunger doesn’t hurt. Some other stuff is going on inside your chest/abdomen now that is causing the discomfort. Your body is jumping at the chance to do maintenance on organs that are usually too busy to be stopped for this purpose. Try here for a bunch of online resources.. there are some for sale but also heaps for free as we ...
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Agreed bella, there is nothing at all wrong with the fibre in raw food, it is what we are meant to live on. I’ve been catching up for a while on here and just stuck a disagree on xander’s post but I’m glad you took the time to answer it more fully. :) Andrew.   [End]
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If I had the patience to work out how to insert those cool links for your name too mouseclick that would be just as worthwhile. :) The same as several others around here. Besides you guys do pretty damn well anyway. Thanks again. :) Andrew.   [End]
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I tried your prescriiption mouseclick and I turned blue, am I doing something wrong?   [End]
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Yes I have fasted for six or seven days. More times than I can count on two hands. :) And yes I’ve noticed a difference in my weight each time! Andrew.   [End]
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The sore back could well have just been transitional from doing too much too soon. I don’t know much about the rebounder but going from sedate to exercising any muscles that haven’t been used much for a while is always a challenge on the body. You wouldn’t believe the amount of sore spots I had starting up karate regularly again this year- many I believe were just trying to do more than my muscles and joints were ready to handle straight away, but it doesn’t take long for the body to rebuild in response to the increased activity. :) Mouseclick you wait for the apricots to fall to the gr ...
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That’s an awesome offer Jaymz thankyou! I don’t need it of course I just needed a bit of money to get someone else with a bit of technical souse to nut out the problem for me. It turned out that my daughter’s friend has the tech-brain needed for the job and after some little while playing around being frustrated by lack of results decided to remove the battery from the motherboard- that reset something and made it possible to boot cd’s again! I would have been up for a pretty penny if I’d taken it into the shop to get fixed, and if they hadn’t thought to try the batter probably would have ...
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I rarely feel hunger at all, not even day one as a rule. The only desire for food I have is mental. And when I cave in and eat it’s nearly always with regret because my body is doing so well without the food. Whatever the feelings are after day three they aren’t hunger. Andrew.   [End]
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Good luck jitgos, I’ve lost more than you are planning to and am keeping it off quite well so you’re on the right track I think! :) Take care, Andrew.   [End]
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Drive safe and enjoy the visit Chris. Thanks all of you for your kind words and thoughts. I luckily had a very smart benefactor who was able to find what was stopping me from reinstalling vista. So now it’s just a matter of putting it all back together again, and as you can probably already tell from my flooding the board with replies again I’ve managed to start up again where I left off! And very glad to be back. :) Thanks again. Andrew.   [End]
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We are not laughing at the genuine problems caused by parasites Megan. I’m sorry you and others think so and have taken it that way. If you read through the monstrous parasite post that continued on for several days last week you would realise why some of us are happy to let off a bit of steam in this way. This is a fasting forum and we were being told that fasting was no good and that only using a parasite cleanse would help those with parasites. Not only that, it made some people start imagining they had parasites inside them and doubting the fasting process before giving it a chance. ...
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No no the Goa’uld are evil! The little wormies take over their hosts- it’s the Tok’Ra that have the symbiotic relationship. Typical humans never really trusted the Tok’Ra either though. Why wouldn’t you want to have a big fat slug curling around your brainstem? How awesome would that be?! Sadly though we only have the sneaky ninja type to deal with that hide in the shadows and ambush attack us so we only see their effects not their boot prints.   [End]
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lol @ quiet and reserved.. I’m sure some members here haven’t found me like that.. and it’s lucky my computer doesn’t have ears at times or you’d know different too. ;)   [End]
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Boring? Hey I’d swap you my unit surrounded by concrete and bitumen for your forest of trees any day. :)   [End]
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Just water nothing else otherwise you are losing the benefits of the fast. Andrew.   [End]
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No you shouldn’t drink more before or after your dry fast. One day is certainly not enough to ’dry you out’ so just continue on after as you did before. You can go 24-36 hours quite safely apparently, and most can dry fast 3-5 days without any dramas at all. Good luck. :) Andrew.   [End]
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I agree bella. The body will want to continue on detoxing, especially after the first fasts when the body is highly toxic and fasting is new to you. The body jumps at the chance to detox and just wants to keep going. The fruit diet post fast gives the body the best chance it can to continue with the detox and this can often be the result. I think with more regular fasts the body does this less- knowing maybe the chance to detox will certainly come again soon. Andrew.   [End]
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Jaymz! You’ll set off my alien bug dreams again! ... yay I can’t wait. ;)   [End]
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I’ve got serious computer problems going on here so it’s only library access for a while. This is going to seriously effect the time I can spend on here unfortunately so I just wanted to let you all know I’m thinking of you and will be back at it as soon as I can. Andrew.   [End]
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If you feel like you’re a fair way from completing your fast maybe you could try and contact a profession fasting supervisor to take you under their care for the last part of your fast. It would be a shame to end your fast ’just in case’ if there is a chance it can be continued safely. It does sound like everything is going normally and very well so far. Andrew.   [End]
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Eat as much fruit and raw food as you can while lessening the amount of cooked and processed foods in your diet and this will help you ’survive’ your fasts with less harsh symptoms every time. You have no appetite because your body wants to fast again. Andrew.   [End]
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Your body has revitalised itself from the inside and your digestion system is probably almost like new so it may take a little while. I seem to have remained regular in the long run but fasting always interrupts things a little at least. Your body will find it’s balance again quite naturally though I have no doubt of that. I certainly wouldn’t worry about taking anything extra for your regularity. You’re eating a great diet and it will sort itself out. Andrew.   [End]
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Sleeplessness is fairly common with less need for sleep and also with the body being too busy cleansing to rest. It doesn’t usually last more than a few days although some report their whole fasts can be conducted with very little sleep and take to writing or some similar pursuit in the night hours to make use of the extra waking time. Drinking more water doesn’t usually help with ’hunger’ and it’s best not to drink too much. Just drink according to your thirst and not by the bucket load. A glass of water a day isn’t too little to have but more than a couple of litres for example could ...
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You are already in ketosis after 5 days of fasting mother weary. Ketones start being produced 18-36 hours after your last meal as a general rule and within a couple of days of that your body will be in full ketosis supplying it’s own nutrition from within and prioritising detox and healing. Even allowing for individual differences five days would be the very longest it would take to get to that point so long as you have only been having water. Andrew.   [End]
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If you have poor nutrient stores you probably would be better off on complete raw before a fast, otherwise if you’ve been eating healthily more or less and have good quality stores then a mono diet would be fine. I myself think it’s fairly natural that fruit in season would be a natural diet on it’s own in the wild. If you came across a bunch of fruit trees in the forest filled with enough fruit to feed the family or tribe why go elsewhere? More than likely you’d camp by them until they were empty of their treasure. Andrew.   [End]
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I think your sister has the right idea mother weary. Put notes up in your house to remind you to breathe properly so you do it often enough to build the habit up again. Andrew.   [End]
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Even after a fast to completion a fast of 1-3 days after a week of eating well will be no problem. Listen to your body and if it is satisfied with what you’ve been feeding it and you aren’t hungry you should certainly fast again. Andrew.   [End]
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I’m the same as you bella, and even drinking water can start the cycle of cravings off for me, which is one reason I prefer dry fasting so much. :) But I know mono diets can be effective, and especially as a lead up to a fast for someone not able to start fasting right away it’s a great idea. Andrew.   [End]
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Yep and I think he’d give anything to have the muscles of the dedicated vegetarian silverback gorilla! Anything except giving up his steroids and protein shakes anyway. ;)   [End]
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I saw recently a simple equation to do with the amount of protein that we need. Following that bodybuilder’s theory he is eating protein to build muscle. I wonder how much muscle weight he puts on each day compared to how much protein he is eating? I would assume if he’s eating three meals a day each with protein (gawk!) high foods in them he’s adding many many times more protein to his body than he’s actually using to build muscle.. so what is the protein for? Andrew.   [End]
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Think of it as preparation guys. If someone was to do a juice fast before starting a water fast it would be considered good preparation, this is no different at all. Andrew.   [End]
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hehe bling a friend told me a couple of days ago she’s due to come back in a special or two that have been planned for next year. She’s like an ex that’s on good terms, coming back for a bit of fun is okay just not to stay. ;)   [End]
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What a great reason to fast Maddi, best of luck to you! One word of caution with travelling and water- make sure you have a good source secured before you leave and stay away from local tap waters. They can be bad for us usually but the fasting body unfortunately can absorb toxins from impure water sources as efficiently as it will absorb nutrients from healthy foods so take extra care. Andrew.   [End]
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I think plasticat that it is best to wait and see how your body manages on it’s own first. I’m not against that treatment on the face of it though. The main problem I see is that you are trying to force the body to heal a specific part of itself when there may be more important things for it to do. I would say let the body do what it has to do, see the results for yourself and if down the track you find that there are certain scars that are refusing to budge still then think about that treatment. Andrew.   [End]
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You’re welcome reinvented. It really is true that the more we fast the more easily we learn to recognise what our body needs. There’s a huge difference between thinking we need some chocolate to the real need for a fresh piece of fruit following a fast or as you have found, the feeling that we’ve had enough to eat and will benefit more from not eating anything! :) Your body is indeed a Temple. :) Andrew.   [End]
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Sure, if you can stick to just eating watermelon for two weeks. I’ve not done it myself but it’s called a mono diet so you may be able to find some info on it now you know what it’s called. There’s no need to just eat watermelon the whole two weeks, you could change every few days from watermelon to apples to oranges etc. It’s all good. Ideally what would happen is you appetite would disappear naturally or you would go into a healing crisis and fast spontaneously within those two weeks. Good luck with it. :) Andrew.   [End]
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If you are susceptable to that kind of thing fasting can bring up a depression like reaction Loosie. One of the things that anti-depressants do is try to make the neurons in our brain fire cleaner and more efficiently. Medications typically cannot effect more than a small percentage of our neurons though, and also very typically can take 1-4 weeks or longer to really take full effect. Fasting is far more efficient and effects all the neurons at once and very quickly. You might think that this would be a good thing and of course it is. But there is a transition period with fasting just as w ...
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I figured that blackngold and appreciate you sparing the forum, though I know I was very blunt with my opinion. Feel free to email me if you wish to get anything off your chest! :) fonty2001@yahoo.com.au   [End]
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It’s hard to put a time limit on it when we can’t see inside us to know how much crap needs to be released. I would say with fasting it would be a matter of days- at most a week or two for such detox though I’m only guessing. With a high raw diet follow the diet I would hope for you it would be a matter of a few weeks or a very few months at most. I think acne is one of those normal developmental cleansing tools that just gets out of control with some of us. Mine was cleared up luckily very quickly when I removed dairy foods and refined sugar from my diet. Good luck with it! Andrew.   [End]
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Hi Archus. I would always say it’s worth trying. Just allow for the stress and prepare to break it early if you need to without recrimination on yourself. Sometimes the stress can be a driving force though certainly it can as easily end a fast for us too. But if the fast is successful it’s always worthwhile so it’s worth the attempt. Good luck and take care, Andrew.   [End]
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I think I’m getting the same Mother weary. I’ve never had an issue with a person’s outward appearance- fat, skinny, muscley, deformed whatever. All is beauty. But the more I clean myself out and am actually starting to feel how dirty ’normal’ cooked or processed foods are when I do put them in my cleaner body I’m becoming aware of just how dirty and poisoned a body really is. Of course we all know it from our reading but as with all things to experience it first hand is a completely different thing. Linda Goodman talked about that in her book Star Signs. She saw fasting in a very spiritual ...
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Thankyou bella, your praise touched me I really appreciate it. :) I agree that we all have something very special to share with each other if not the world in general. Your book will certainly be a boon to us when we get to read it. Andrew.   [End]
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Hi sarah. Your story is very common. I’ve completed a number of fasts and gone as long as 30 days but I still have the same trouble. It does require willpower and if I’m too stressed with my life in general it can just be too much for me to fast since fasting makes me attend those stressful feelings all that much more urgently. Food the way we use it though is an addiction, that is the thing to remember. Breaking the ’habit’ of eating too much too often is I think perhaps the very hardest of addictions to break also. The main reason is that social people seem to be ’feeders’ and want us ...
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Hi Mother weary, sorry to hear you’re doing it so hard right now. The increased heart rate and shortness of breath are again ’normal’ symptoms of a fast and can go on for a few days, hopefully it won’t be too long for you. Funnily enough your descriiption of your breathing more shallowly doesn’t quite make sense to me though. I am a rebirther, or ’breath therapist’, and know a little bit about breathing. I actually prefer to breathe into the chest and that is how we teach breathing for the most part, putting the focus on among other things filling the lungs completely. So unless there i ...
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Love your new pic bella. You look fantastic. :)   [End]
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I agree reinvented. The body is able to fast at any time. In nature fasts are conducted in times of drought, injury and illness, though I assume wild animals don’t eat as much junk food as us so don’t get the sniffles as often. None of these reasons for fasting are predetermined, they come upon us suddenly and the animal responds by avoiding food until they are healed or in the case of drought or dearth until food/water is available again. In our case I do think that our mental preparedness, our motivation is more compelling a force in when we begin a fast than any physical need in most ...
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That’s awesome reinvented! Congratulations on your continued success. :) Andrew.   [End]
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I did not think that plasticat was demonstrating a fear of the fast itself. They are afraid their scars will be permanent, that is not what Shelton was talking about. Andrew.   [End]
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I have done a thirty day fast and rode a motorbike 5 days and nights (shiftwork) to work every week. I had the normal dizzyness from low blood pressure the whole way through but it never effected my riding. If anything I was more alert even than usual, and I was always a very alert rider! Longer journeys I didn’t do but I’d just use your common sense. If you’re tired pull over and have a nap then keep going. Always do it safe, but I haven’t heard fasters fall asleep at the wheel any more readily than eaters. Andrew.   [End]
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You’re right sky, when we break a fast correctly on raw foods the cleansing and healing continues. At a slower rate and sometimes in different ways but it certainly continues. The body cycles through detox and healing phases and everything is taken care of in good time. Eating natural foods as we were designed to this should go on all the time, fasting just concentrates our energies on that and away from the usual buy/eat/digest/crap cycle that our western civilisation so enjoys encouraging. Andrew.   [End]
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Sorry blackngold but you’re wrong in this case. You don’t advise someone to break a fast while still in crisis. Sometimes it has to be done because we cannot function well enough in our everyday lives but the ideal is always to push through and let the body complete what it has started. That is what plasticat should do if they can and that is what I would have advised you to do also. There is nothing about what he is going through that contraindicates his continuing to fast. Andrew.   [End]
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