I thought so too but my mother succeeded with organic pasteurised milk. I use organic raw milk though.   [End]
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Hi Pat, yes I remember you and your problem at the time very well but I don’t remember recommending elevating the bed head - though I do remember that as one of the recommendations (was it me?). But it doesn’t matter who because what matters is that it solved your problem. I’m SO glad to hear that!! All the very best to you and yours Pat. It’s a relief to know that you don’t feel suicidal anymore. Energy and health to you. Fil :-D   [End]
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Hi Annmarie, yes I’m blood type O though I don’t know why that’s relevant. I don’t follow the blood type diet. Fil Eat Right 4 Your Type Hype   [End]
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You can make whey from either just letting milk sit at room temperature until it separates or even better, culture your milk with kefir. You can drink whey straight, add it to drinks, and use it for fermenting veggies and soaking grains. It’s a wonderful healthful drink. There are many yahoo and other groups that explore fermenting and eat fermented foods. Many of these groups follow Sally Fallon and weston Price Foundation. I’ve been eating fermented foods for over a year now and have never looked back. (and of course, never got sick!) Fil   [End]
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Hi there, just popping in after a long time away. I requested this forum over 6 months ago. Didn’t seem like it was going to take off at the time but it’s great to see so many messages here in recent days. Just wanted to say that Weston Price Foundation / Nourishing Traditions has transformed my life and my health. A year ago I went to a seminar by Sally Fallon and as a result totally changed my diet. A year later, my health is so much better, the biggest benefit is being free of any gallbladder pain and discomfort. And no more yucky flushing!! (see my post in Liver flush forum if y ...
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Hi there, I haven’t been here for a LOOONG time! You know why? Because I don’t need to come here anymore! But I’m grateful for all the support I got here so I just popped in to tell you all where I’m at with my gallstones. Since changing my diet and introducing more animal fats, I haven’t had any more problems. I finally worked out that 17 years of a vegetarian low-fat diet had caused my gallstones and buggered up my digestion. Flushing helped a lot but I never seemed to get any closer to flushing out the calcified stones. Then I got really really tired and my digestion got worse ...
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I am trying to choose between Ionic minerals (www.agmfoods.com) and Colloidal minerals (Joel Wallach). I don’t have access to the Eniva minerals here in Australia. The ionic mineral company tells me Ionic minerals break down easier and are more easily absorbed by the body. Do you have an opinion on this? TIA, Fil   [End]
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You MUST try to give your body fat. I know you’re saying it makes you ill. But at least try 1 tablespoon of olive oil with 1 tablespoon of lemon juice every morning. Low fat diets cause gallstones too (that is how I caused mine). Have you had an ultrasound or anything? I think it would be good to know what shape/size your stones are and what condition your gallbladder is in so that you know what you are up against. (maybe you’ve already had this checked out). How about some kind of gallbladder herbs. Seems the best are from sensible health. If you are only eating raw fruit a ...
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I really really appreciate that you added the Weston Price Foundation link to this forum as I requested. Can we have a link to Nourishing Traditions cookbook AS WELL? That would be just perfect then!! Interest in this forum is starting to pick up. So the link you originally put there would be perfect, then I think people would be inspired to buy the cookbook.   [End]
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We can’t often buy organic beef bones here but I’ve read of lots of people who every time they cook meat, just throw the leftover bones in a bag in the freezer. Then when they’ve saved up a few, make broth. FULL of easily-assimilable minerals. Strangely enough, I never seem to get scum on my broth. Can’t work that one out.   [End]
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Mmmmmmmm, thanks for that! Trouble is raw cream here is so expensive. ;-)   [End]
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It’s important to remember though that soybeans are eaten in Japan in the traditional manner. If they are not fermented as in natto or miso, they contain toxins. Tofu is only eaten in moderation. Okinawans have a longer life span than the rest of Japan and they eat LOADS of pork - not just the meat but the whole pig - hooves, ears and everything. These kinds of articles add to the hype about soy which is causing so many problems in the West with its overconsumption and lack of proper preparation.   [End]
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I do read here and there that if you have weak kidneys it can cause problems. Some people here have had severe reactions to epsom salts including my friend. She also got a rash and recently when she saw her doctor (who supports liver flushing), he said ”ah, the epsom salts rash!”. So I would say, try it and see how you feel. I did a 3 week cleanse of 1 tspn es daily. It seemed to cause detoxing and threw my tastebuds into confusion. I had alternately salty, sour and metallic tastes all the time. Also, a very sore and sensitive mouth. it has all cleared up now thank goodness. I d ...
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If you are having bad symptoms, you can flush straight away with no problems. Usually the advice is to wait awhile to allow it all to build up again but if you are in extreme discomfort then go ahead and flush.   [End]
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Absolutely. The liver is your hormone regulator. I don’t think it’s hormones trapped in the stones as simply that the liver is less congested and better able to do its work properly. Things may go haywire for a while but if you keep liver cleansing you will probably find that they normalize.   [End]
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Hi Cari, they drain into the duodenum which is between your stomach and the small intestine. I never feel the stones moving but others feel them in the liver/gallbladder area which is on the right side of your chest. You may feel pain in the gallbladder just below your right rib cage. The neon green stuff and possibly even the yellow pebbles are mostly likely bile from your liver/GB. It indicates that your liver is very congested and you need to do a liver flush. The pain in your belly is more likely colon pain. There are no bile ducts lower left of your belly button. You may hav ...
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I agree. My first gallbladder attack, I didn’t know the gallbladder existed and decided the flu I’d had, had gone into my liver and hence the pain. When I finally went to the doctor, I found out that the liver is silent - it doesn’t feel pain. The pain is in the bile ducts and the gallbladder. So I think you got stones honey!! Start flushing. Also, why waste your money. You’ve already bought the milk thistle tabs. Take those and when they’re done get the tincture. Or take both at the same time. I agree, sounds like sensiblehealth.com is the best for liver herbs/tinctures. Edu ...
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I think we’d all like to see that definitive proof. There have been some (Spirit may be able to help out here). I’ll tell you what I know. People say the es dilates the bile ducts. Basically we all quote each other and I’ve never seen an actual medical study on this. However, magnesium is a known muscle relaxant so to my mind es works as both a muscle relaxant and laxative. The stones need a clear passage out of your body. So I think any of the magnesium based colon cleansing products are fine. A lot of us find that warm water with epsom salts helps when we are having an attack. ...
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As far as I know, all commercially sold apple juice is pasteurised and most is filtered. If you have a juicer and the time, it’s cheaper and better to juice your own. I find that ten medium sized apples makes 1 litre. So I usually buy a box of apples at the wholesale market when I’m going to flush. Easy chopping: slice off one side, then the other side of the apple, leaving a thin slice in the middle that contains the core. Then cut each side of this so that only the core remains. Hard to explain in words but if you can follow this, it’s much easier than the usual way of removing ...
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OK, thank you! I’ll go and check out the donations link. Thanks for your efforts. I appreciate all the curezone has given me over the past year. Keep it up!!   [End]
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At 0.6cm I would say you are darn lucky!!! Mine are 1cm and others here have stones over 2cm. The calcified stones are harder to get out and you may need a few flushes to get them. Each flush will gradually clear the bile ducts of your liver and you will feel enormous health benefits. In the meantime, start on Gold Coin Grass as soon as possible (see www.sensiblehealth.com). It’s a Chinese herb that dissolves/breaks down the stones. It takes a while but it does work. One poster has a 2.74mm that reduced down to 2.3mm (from memory) in 6 months. OK, that’s slow but it won’t take lo ...
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Thanks Val, I’ll second that! My doc told me ten years ago I’d be back within 2 years begging to have my gb out as I wouldn’t be able to handle the pain. Well here I am and only get little twinges and some discomfort from time to time!   [End]
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Try cold-pressed almond oil or grapeseed oil.   [End]
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What does this message mean? I am getting it all the time. I must say it’s putting me off curezone a bit as I just don’t have time to wait around for pages to appear. I spend too much time here as it is. Is it my connection or this site? I am on a high speed ADSL connection. Please advise Active Server Pages error ’ASP 0113’ Script timed out /forums/f.asp The maximum amount of time for a script to execute was exceeded. You can change this limit by specifying a new value for the property Server.ScriptTimeout or by changing the value in the IIS administration tools.   [End]
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Sorry not to have read this earlier. Did we have the floater/sinker discussion? Do your stools float or sink? D. who was one of the founders of this site and has been following the liver flush posts all along may have some answers for you. Perhaps post ”To D.”?   [End]
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Hopinso, as far as I’ve read the bright green/emerald stones are fresher. Maybe your body is still making stones?   [End]
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Hi Bevpirt, no I don’t as yet but I would like to. I’m in Australia so it makes it difficult. I believe Standard Process has some good products. Another one that was recommended to me was BioGest. Let me know how you go.   [End]
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Val, have you tried lying on your back or side? You can even sit up as you insert the pipe bit into your rectum, then lie down on your left side and let the water start to flow. Partway through, turn onto your back. Massage your belly. Turn on your right side. Once the water’s in, you can do things like cycle with your legs to help hold it in a bit longer. Deep breathing helps too. Good luck with it.   [End]
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Hi Anja, I think as long as you don’t eat any fat on the day of the flush - that’s the most important thing. Good luck!   [End]
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I agree, it’s a load of bunk. Read this article. ER4YT HYPE   [End]
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I disagree with that theory. Gallstones are a fairly modern phenomena and increasing. Meat consumption is now decreasing but gallstones are increasing. Also all the traditional societies who consumed animal protein didn’t have gallstones. What about the Masai tribe in Africa who live on meat, milk and animal blood? The liver is our detox organ. Our body is constantly being bombarded with modern pollutants and toxic chemicals. I would place my bet more with modern processed foods, hydrogenated vegetable oils, toxic chemicals etc. I was on a low fat vegetarian diet from age 14 to ...
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Be careful with raw seeds/nuts. A lot of them contain phytonutrients that need to be predigested by soaking. They can actually leach your body of essential nutrients and minerals. Basic Nutrition   [End]
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Absolutely don’t take any cholesterol lowering drugs. They will cause you not to be around for your little son. There is too much hype about cholesterol. It’s a ploy by the drug companies to get people to take their drugs. (click on the link below to check out this site) Here are the facts! 1 Cholesterol is not a deadly poison, but a substance vital to the cells of all mammals. There are no such things as good or bad cholesterol, but mental stress, physical activity and change of body weight may influence the level of blood cholesterol. A high cholesterol is not dangerous by ...
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OH I see! Well except I don’t really see, why is it that time of the month for Echinacia? Maybe it’s a Schultz thing.   [End]
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Yes I’m really excited about my new (old) rebounder! Just wish I could afford the whiz bang one that’s specially sprung for the Southern Hemisphere. coughing and pounding on the back - great idea! I’ll have to try that next time too.   [End]
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Best to ask on the Bowel cleanse forum Fiddler.   [End]
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I had a mini attack 2 days after my last flush (went to a friend’s house for brekkie and had some naughty things). Whilst it passed quite quickly I’ve been left with discomfort/mild pain. We just got a rebounder (picked up a cheapie second hand). This morning I jumped and ran on it for ten minutes and my discomfort has cleared up!!! Just thought I’d pass that on. I guess a stone was lodged somehwere and it needed help to be dislodged.   [End]
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I don’t know about your situation but it appears that the whole cholesterol thing includes a lot of misinformation and is largely an attempt by the pharmaceutical companies to get everyone on their hideous cholesterol lowering drugs. The story is that the Japanese discovered ”statin” a drug that lowers cholesterol but they sold the patent to Merc after they found that it was so horrendously toxic in their tests on animals and they decided it was unfit for humans. Please educate yourself about this. The information contained on the site below is based on sound science. The Cholester ...
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Can’t answer that one GS. I passed a lot of sludge for the first time ever on my last flush and it coincided with lots of tiny green crystal stones. Don’t know if there’s a connection. But I’m interested to see what comes out on my next flush.   [End]
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Bob, aren’t you a man? Does a man have ”that time of the month”? Confused....... ps. interesting flush by the way! Sounds like my first 3 flushes ingesting 2 cups of olive oil. Yum yum   [End]
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Bob, aren’t you a man? Does a man have ”that time of the month”? Confused.......   [End]
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Ann someone just recently (even last page maybe) said that he does that. So go for it!! I couldn’t face my fourth es last time and puked up the 3rd so I’m going to try the saltwater one too.   [End]
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Disclosure at the Medical Journals Copyright 2003 The New York Times Company -- September 30, 2003 http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/30/opinion/30TUE3.html?th=&pagewanted=print&po... A troubling case of hidden financial conflicts has forced the publisher of some of the world’s most influential scientific journals to expand its editorial disclosure policies. Last week the Nature Publishing Group, part of Macmillan Publishers, announced that it would henceforth require the authors of review articles to disclose any financial ties to the products they evaluate. It was a welcome if belate ...
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You mean ’Nutrition and Physical Degeneration’ by Weston Price? It is worth the wait. It’s a great book! I can highly recommend the cookbook too: Nourishing Traditions. It’s like ten books in one with tons of great recipes too.   [End]
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I’m sure I’ve read that intestinal mucus is natural. Apparently your stools should not soil your anus (ie. they will come out clean) if your intestines are in good health/shape and if the intestinal mucus is in good condition. They don’t soil your anus because they are encased in mucus. can anyone shed any more light on this?   [End]
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Hi Alex, I’ve never heard or read of anyone using clarified butter. It’s a fat though so I guess you could try it. Personally I would suggest that if you don’t want to use Olive Oil, then try cold-pressed almond or grapeseed oil. It would be interesting to know what was causing your eczema. I wonder if it’s the linoleic acid in olive oil. Maybe you could do a trial run by taking a tablespoon of your chosen oil a day for a few days and see if you get a reaction. If you do decided to flush with clarified butter - let us know how you go!!   [End]
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Good on you and good luck for your next flush!! We’re all here for each other and we all have the same goal - a clean and healthy liver and gallbladder and perfect health!!   [End]
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Gingersnap, I can only think that it comes from your colon. I guess it could be fresh bile (which is like a clear yellow-ish gel) but that would mostly have been squeezed out by the liver flush. I don’t think the epsom salts can totally clean out your colon. Each time I’ve been for colonic irrigation after a liver flush, they still manage to get more stuff out that is usually trapped in little pockets or places. I would assume it’s coming from your colon but who knows....! Better out than in is all I can say!!   [End]
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It will be more productive if you do wait. But if you REALLY feel the urge to go ahead and flush then go for it. It’s always good to experiment and see what happens!   [End]
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I don’t know about the whole vegetarian low fat thing. That seems to be how I got myself into this mess in the first place. I seem to be doing much better on animal fats. I have a whole food unprocessed diet, as organic as possible. But we’re all different so we have to find what works for us. I like the teachings/philosophies of the Weston Price Foundation. Weston Price Foundation   [End]
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Hi shaboodien001. The green balls you saw are solidified bile most likely from your liver but probably also from your gallbladder. They are not the stones that you were diagnosed with. Most likely your gallstones were diagnosed by ultrasound. Only calcified gallstones show up on ultrasound and apparently they are rock hard. If the green balls stay in your gallbladder long enough, they calcify. The green balls are not recognised or acknowledged by most doctors but at the same time, they don’t know what they are because they didn’t study them in medical school. What you will find wi ...
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Hi, sorry can’t answer you there. But the additions you made to the flush aren’t necessarily the cause of your husband’s nausea or vomiting. Flushes are often different. I sometimes have no problem at all and other times I vomit. I think it just depends what your body is trying to eliminate and the condition of your body at the time.   [End]
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OK, you got me there. I’m in Australia so I don’t think I can help you. If you’re in the States, I’m pretty sure Bragg’s is an American product. Maybe do a search on Google? Surely it’s in just about every health food store. As for the kefir. Ask on the kefir forum on this site. Maybe someone lives in your area who can send you a grain. I just sent one to a fellow Aussie poster on Curezone. Good luck with it!   [End]
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I’m getting those script timeouts too - it’s driving me batty (see my post on this in Suggestions to Webmaster). You know Pilot, I think you may not be that off the mark by saying to let well enough alone. I was reading elsewhere on a site I respect that if you eat a good diet with plenty of good fats (including quality animal fats), take digestives like Swedish Bitters, and eat at regular times, then your liver/gall bladder will settle down and the stones will most likely dissolve of their own accord. Gallstones apparently are partly the liver’s way of over compensating for us not pr ...
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I’m almost about to give up on curezone. Is it my connection or the curezone website? Forums take so long to load, I’m getting script server timeouts. It’s not all the time but very frequent. Any feedback on this?   [End]
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Try to get Bragg’s organic apple cider vinegar. Also Swedish bitters with meals may help. Take ten mls ten minutes before each meal - it’s a bile/liver stimulant and blood cleanser. Take 1 TBSPN olive oil with 2 TBSPNS lemon juice every morning. See if that makes a difference. Since I introduced more fats into my diet, my stools stopped floating (helped by liver flushing) I also highly recommend kefir (made on raw milk if you can get it). Today I had the longest smoothest banana BM ever- it was amazing!! Drank 3 small glasses of kefir yesterday (morning, lunch and evening). Don’ ...
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Yes it can be strange. The liver flush uses up all your bile resources so there may not be enough bile when you start eating again to process properly. My first BM after my weekend liver flush was white. Today was normal.   [End]
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Point taken. Thanks very much Flowerchild. I appreciate it.   [End]
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Just wondering if there is any significance in the toenail of the big toe lifting on the inside edge. Two friends have recently done 2 liver flushes and BOTH of them are experiencing this. She recalls reading about this somewhere and we wondered if it was in your book? I can’t seem to find it when I look for it. Thanks   [End]
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That’s interesting. I met a deep tissue masseuse once who said he could push gallstones out through massage! Wasn’t game to ask him to try though!!   [End]
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BEFORE your first trip to the bathroom, plaster your bottom with an ointment of some kind. Put a bucket of clean water next to the toilet with a clean container in it. After every bowel movement, use the container to pour some water on yourself to rinse it off. Then apply more ointment. You may want to try even inserting a little ointment into the anus - not sure if hemhoroids (sp?) are inside the anus or outside, just a thought. The burning is toxic stuff from your body, it is not the epsom salts. I used to get this burning but I’ve done several flushes (2 this series but many in ...
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Thanks for that info! Sounds like she’s doing OK then. She’s pretty much headed in that direction. I just gave her a big tray of wheatgrass for her birthday! We both have juicers that can juice wheatgrass. I’ve been making green drinks (wheatgrass, barley, buckwheat and sunflower sprouts) and I’ve found it seems to alkalize me. Thanks again.   [End]
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Can the body replenish electrolytes by itself? Just curious. I mean if your electrolytes were low and you didn’t know it and you didn’t have the electrolyte drink you just gave us the recipe for (thanks for that btw!!;-). What would happen? Would you just go on feeling tired indefinitely? Some of you old-timers may remember the woman who nearly died last year when her electrolytes dropped too low. What are electrolytes anyway? Any good links on this? Ta muchly!!   [End]
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I’ve listened to the audio and read the principals of the zone, but do not understand the measuring syatem. Why do they have to use this ”block” system? How am I supposed to know what a ”block” is and how to proportion it? I’m doing Atkins, but I want to understand the zone. Zone diet review   [End]
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Read this, perhaps it will clear up your confusion Review   [End]
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And yes the liver flushes will work wonders for you even though you don’t have a gallbladder. There are many flushers here without their gallbladders who have had wonderful transformations to their health. The rest of us are trying to save our gallbladders ;-)   [End]
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Just one thing that everyone should be aware of is the importance of boosting your electrolytes after a flush. What did show up in my friend’s hospital tests was low electrolytes. They said that it’s possible that the high dosage epsom salts did that, although in general they were very positive about the liver flushing (she lives in an alternate area so even the doctors and nurses are pretty open minded!). Since her first flush, she’s been feeling very tired in the evenings. A while back Tracey posted a soup recipe for boosting electrolytes. Does someone have the link? Also, my fri ...
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Hi BethDogg, you said you’ve been following a low acid diet. I have a friend in remission from cancer but she is very acidic and wants to work on this. Can you tell me what your diet is like? Thanks   [End]
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Thanks flowerchild, I was thinking of you a lot! Especially when I didn’t get out many stones. I will keep flushing!!   [End]
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Thanks for that gingersnap. That’s exactly what I had too. Brown slimy sludge that easily rinsed away. I had done 2 enemas the day before but I did eat so it could easily have been from my colon. Well, either way, better out than in! Weirdly, my BM this morning (day after flushing) was white. I guess the bile hasn’t had time to build up yet. Or I’ve got a stuck stone, will have to see....   [End]
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Hi Pamela, congratulations!! I can’t answer you but if you don’t get answers here, try ”Ask Curezone Team & Everyone Forum”. _BOB seems to be very knowledgeable about Schulze and seems to answer people’s posts there a lot.   [End]
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Well just thought I’d post an update on the friend with the lower back pain and fever after flushing. She ended up in hospital with a suspected kidney infection. She had blood in her urine but subsequent tests didn’t show up anything. This was her second flush. The first only got out 2 stones and lots of sludgy stuff. Then she stopped having BMs and had to rely on enemas. So she flushed again, this time passing loads and loads of olive green ropes. We don’t know if they were from her colon or bile, or maybe a mixture of both? She’s feeling better. We both think the kidney thing was ...
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A lot of you are mentioning getting out sludge. What colour was it? And can you describe the consistency? I got out lots of brown slimy goo with each BM today that soon rinsed away to leave my stones. I guess it was just stuff from my colon.   [End]
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Well, another successful flush! My 3rd this series. I’ve flushed before but never more than twice. Only a small handful of tiny stones for me this time but I’ll flush again. It coincided with my period which wasn’t fun but well it’s all an experience. Normally I feel fine in the morning but this time I felt nauseous. The epsom salts and apple juice with a straw tip was great. For those of you who missed it, you don’t bother dissolving them, just put the spoonful into the glass, pour the juice on, start with the straw at the bottom of the glass, start sucking and lift the straw up to g ...
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Welcome back Old Pilot and thanks for the tips!! Fil   [End]
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Welcome back Old Pilot and thanks for the tips! Fil   [End]
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Where was your back pain? If it was lower back, it might be your kidneys in which case it is best to do some kidney cleansing first. Which flush recipe did you use? If doing the grapefruit/olive oil, use less oil. You might be sensitive. Try 1/4 cup and more grapefruit juice. Don’t smell it, use a straw, imagine it’s just juice. Sniff peppermint oil. Good luck!   [End]
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Hi Alex, my skin was really dry before liver flushing too. Luckily my first liver flush fixed it straightaway. I think you just need to keep flushing. It sounds like your liver is pretty congested. It’s important to keep flushing every 2-3 weeks. You’ll probably start to notice a difference after your next flush. Good luck!   [End]
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