Jobs died of preventable pancreatic cancer. He chose to ignore his doctors and refused allopathic medical treatment. ”Alternative” practices didn’t help him. I would not hold Jobs up as a hero in terms of treating medical conditions or good health.   [End]
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Pseudoscientific nonsense. Is that better?   [End]
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The word you want is emaciated, not ”emancipated,” which has a completely differently meaning. If people really want to use fasting for weight loss, they need to lose probably 8-10 pounds below their goal weight because they’ll put that back on easily with just water and food almost immediately if they are not careful.   [End]
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There is a very old thread on this forum about a woman who went 60 days drinking only water and Crystal Light drinks. She lost the weight she wanted to lose. I recall that people gave her a really hard time about the Crystal Light drinks. Who cares, it was her body. As long as it’s non-caloric, you’ll lose weight.   [End]
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Why so much concern about tongue scraping? I’ve done many fasts of different lengths and never owned a tongue scraper in my life or ever worried about this during fasting.   [End]
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Sounds like a whole lot of woo. What compels people to believe in non-scientific explanations for physiological processes?   [End]
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You only need 5-7 consecutive days to get the anti-cancer effects. I don’t know about ”toxins,” I think that word is thrown around in a non-evidence-based way with no science to back it up. We have various organs to deal with toxins even without fasting.   [End]
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If you drink tap water when not fasting, why would you not drink it while fasting? I always drink tap water but we have great tap water in San Francisco. I would only buy water if the tap water wasn’t pure, whether fasting or not.   [End]
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I’ve never done bed rest during fasting, I have too much energy. I think ketosis affects my body by revving it up instead of slowing it down. Usually after the first 3-4 days of a fast I feel great with extra energy. I dont think it’s healthy to lie around all day and night anyway, you need to work your muscles even if it’s light toning or walking.   [End]
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I would stick to a vegan plant based diet. Eggs have no place in a heart healthy diet and in fact eggs cause arterial disease and damage. Eating animal products will undo all of your hard work of fasting!   [End]
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I’ve done 18 days while working. My job is mixed, on my feet/at a desk throughout the day. No heavy labor. My biggest issue wasn’t lack of mental clarity, I did fine in that department. I just had to be careful getting up from a sitting position because of orthostatic hypotension, which is a common side effect of a long fast due to drop in B.P. Most people in the imperialist core don’t have the luxury of not working during a fast. I would just play it by ear and see how you feel. If it hampers your productivity, you can always eat.   [End]
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Is there any evidence-based science behind liver flushes? What do they do exactly and how do you measure results? Do you get LFTs at a lab to measure your liver function? Sorry you won’t be carrying on with a plant based vegan diet. It’s the only diet scientifically proven to prevent and reverse heart disease and this isn’t new information. Ornish did the studies in the 1980s. Good luck with being a meatist, though. That type of diet is going to undo all of your hard fasting work, but knock yourself out. And sooner or later you’ll need a good cardiologist, especially at your age. ...
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This is all propaganda and not based on science. Show us evidence that people who do long fasts need prescription or OTC drugs after they’re done. Sorry about your relative dying but they were the exception not the rule. Maybe your ignorant comments are based on your fears and feelings of loss. You can work through those feelings but this isn’t the place to do it. Find a good psychotherapist. Good luck.   [End]
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Not much of your story sounds evidence based, sorry. It sounds functional.   [End]
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Medical supervision mitigates the danger. Also depending on how much body fat the person is carrying, 50 days is probably okay. I’d leave it up to the doc. People do crazier things than fasting to lose weight. Many people are motivated to continue dieting after a fast because of the quick weight loss. Juice fasting sounds like pre-diabetes waiting to happen. Seems like it could also trigger toxic hunger for food in some people.   [End]
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Nice work. What exercise do you do, if any, during fasting? Just walking? I’m starting a 10- to 14-day today. It’s been a while for me and I love the feeling of being in the moment during fasting and experiencing all those different body and mind sensations, even the negative ones. :)   [End]
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A person’s body weight has nothing to do with their ancestors. Getting to 375 pounds means the person was eating too many calories and not moving enough. Fat is active metabolic tissue. It doesn’t just sit in the body and do nothing, it contains hormones and active cellular functions and acts as an ”organ” in the body. By the time somebody weighs 375 (and even before that), by eating they are also feeding their fat. Their body mass is such that they will naturally eat to sustain it, which means they will take in the amount of calories needed to maintain 375 pounds. That is one reason ...
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Have you asked your doc if there is anything that can be done about the gas? They would probably recommend an OTC remedy like Gas-X. You’re doing great on the fast!   [End]
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Work on accepting yourself and forgiving yourself for whatever past transgressions and faults you find in yourself. It may be self-acceptance you are (even unconsciously) yearning for and not the love of another person. If you ”need” the love of another person, it’s because you don’t love yourself and you have an expectation that the other person’s love will in turn help you ”fall in love” with yourself, as it were. You can work on this alone, you don’t need another person to validate you.   [End]
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You might enjoy this. Novick also has a Facebook page. http://www.jeffnovick.com/RD/Articles/Entries/2013/12/5_The_Specturm_Of_Health__The_Evidence_For_A_Whole_Food_Plant_Base_Diet_-_Pt_1.html He also posted a new study coming out in the September issue of Cell Metabolism that indicates in controlled conditions that cutting fat results in more increased body fat loss than cutting carbs. http://www.cell.com/cell-metabolism/pdfExtended/S1550-4131%2815%2900350-2   [End]
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Is sauerkraut high in sodium, or is it just vinegar?   [End]
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I have to do the plant fats in moderation, like very very little. I do 2 ounces 2x a day. So I’ll have a tablespoon or so of walnuts with my breakfast beans and oats, and I’ll use 2 ounces of avocado or guacamole mixed with salsa as a salad dressing. I have to go easy on it because they are so calorie dense. Jeff Novick has a good DVD on fats v. oils and how much we need. All plant foods contain some fat, enough to enhance vitamin uptake, at least that is what the plant based doctors say. There’s no need to add any, but to boost omega-3 I do the bare minimum. The other thing a plan ...
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Your cravings could return once your taste buds get used again, though. You have to be very careful coming off a fast. The ”foods” you’ve mentioned are addicting and the only way to prevent becoming re-addicted is to avoid them completely. They’re like drugs, they’re concentrated and are intended to light up dopamine centers in the brain, just like drugs. Look into low fat whole plant food diets - no animal products, no sugar, no oils including olive oils, which are bad for the endothelium, and just fruits, veggies, beans, and grains. It’s really the only way many people find to prev ...
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People lie down. Chickens lay eggs. Whatever. :) I’ve worked through 30-day fasts because I didn’t want to quit my job to do the fast. Also any long vacation I take won’t include fasting and lying around in bed. I love to travel and would rather not waste my money on ”retreats” lying around doing nothing while listening to New Agey music. My fasts in the past have done what I wanted them to do - get fat off my body. I had no other motivation. It works like a charm while still living your life.   [End]
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1) Autolysis includes using up your body fat, so this doesn’t contradict fasting for weight loss. 2) Detox. I’ve never seen any scientific evidence of what this even means. Various organs in our bodies are ”detoxing” us all the time, whether that’s the liver, the skin, the kidneys, whatever. You don’t have to fast to ”detox.” 3) Destroy urges for caffeine, sugar, etc. I think this works for some people as long as they are fasting. Since you can’t fast forever, many people go back to their trigger foods/chemicals. Once the taste buds are awakened, it can be easy to revert b ...
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I agree. Ultimately it doesn’t matter how somebody loses weight. If they can’t stick to an appropriate and healthy diet/lifestyle after they lose that helps them keep off the weight, all bets are off. Who cares whether it was fasting, protein, Atkins, 9 hours a day of exercise, fruitarian, it won’t matter. If you can’t keep it off, the gains are lost. For me, there is something about fasting that helps reset my taste buds. It’s like a renewal for a lot of people, a ”jump start” or a refresh of some kind. Whether part of that is psychological, who knows? But physiologically those c ...
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It’s lying, not ”laying.” I have a day job so I don’t have a lot of these problems people report about not knowing what to do with their time during fasting. I have to go to work, attend meetings, write, and even travel on business during fasts. There is simply no way I can lie around in bed all day doing nothing, nor would I fast that way even if I didn’t work. During the weekends on fasting, I try to avoid going out too much. Mostly to avoid food situations, like parties or restaurants. I’ve done it during work, but on the weekends I avoid it. I tend to do a lot of cleaning a ...
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Animal products cause cancer and heart disease, and that includes fish. Animal protein is implicated in increases in IGF-1 levels which are directly responsible for aging changes in cells and cancer. Even without the fat on board, like ”lean protein,” animal products carry too much protein to be healthy. Eat a plant based diet after you’re done with your fast. Beans, grains, veggies, fruits, and a few nuts and seeds. Low fat whole plant food diets are healing, animal diets are harmful.   [End]
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Well, that’s an improvement over ”101 ounces” (3 liters) a day. You should drink to thirst, not just to pour water into your body. Too much and you’ll deplete your electrolytes.   [End]
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I have a standard loss rate of 10# in five days and 20# in ten days but that might be mostly water weight because these are not long fasts? Doesn’t the serious fat burning start at around day 5? By day 10 I usually want to keep going. I’m always in the ”euphoria” stage by then. Meaning I’m not hungry and feel really energized.   [End]
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Totally agree with Archus. Once you lose some pounds, you’ll get even more motivated! I suggest aiming for the low end of the BMI range. Studies indicate that being on the lower end confers more health benefits. Where did the 101 ounces come from? Is that the half-your-weight thing in water? I always just drink when I’m thirsty when I’m fasting, same as when I’m eating; I never tried to figure out the amount. But if you’re a ”troubled” drinker, meaning you have trouble getting down enough water, then counting is probably a good way to stay focused. :) Keep going and keep us p ...
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Slow metabolism slows the aging process, like Linda Wu said. The human body is like a machine - if you force your body to keep operating and going fast, it’ll wear out sooner. You want to keep your metabolism slow and one way to do that is not to require so many calories to burn each day. That’s why calorie restriction slows aging.   [End]
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You’re on day 6 and you’re freaking out about no losses after dropping 11# in four days? Rethink it. Why all the exercise on a water fast? I’d back off of doing so much, it’s inflammatory to do a lot of hard exercise.   [End]
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There is some dissention in the low fat plant based community right now about this thing of eating as much as you want and not gaining. It didn’t work for me, either. The diet is just too carby for many people, so unless you’re working out like a mad person every day (which also isn’t recommended), there are some tweaks you can do to make it work. Susan Peirce Thompson has come up with a plant based diet that is working for many of us. It’s called Bright Line Eating. She has a Facebook page and if you google her name or Bright Line Eating you may find the eating plan on line. She’s wri ...
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Nice work! Good luck on the cooking/food class thing. Western culture is constantly bombarded with food so the challenges are ongoing. You’ll do great! Be careful getting up from sitting and lying, orthostatic hypotension is common but you don’t want to fall. It also means the fast is working already, your blood pressure is dropping. :) When I fast, I have to stand next to the bed for a few moments after getting up before I can start walking, just to get my equilibrium. If you feel as if you will fall or faint, DO NOT look for a place to sit or lie down - lie down where you are and don ...
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You can’t ”break your body” because you’re fasting. Your body sometimes just needs time to catch up to what you are doing. It’s no secret that people who are calorie restricting often experience plateaus in weeks 2-3. It’s an equilibrium thing all things being equal: water, fecal matter, food intake, whatever, coupled with physiological processes adapting to decreased energy intake. It’s impossible to gain fat weight on a fast and any H2O weight will be temporary.   [End]
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Dry fasting always seemed not worth the ROI. It could be dangerous. Nothing wrong with water!   [End]
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Why is your avatar butter? It causes heart disease and increases cholesterol.   [End]
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Dr. Fuhrman has treated people with RA using fasting and a plant based diet with apparently good results. For the highest anti-inflammatory effects, your best bets are the fasting and then becoming a whole foods plant based vegan afterwards, which is an anti-inflammatory diet. Good luck!   [End]
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There’s no evidence in the medical literature that probiotics do anything, so I’d skip those. Multivitamins aren’t a good idea either. Start a whole food plant based diet and be strict with it. Get blood work and see if you have deficiencies, then supplement with what you need. Taking something for ”insurance” doesn’t make any sense. If you don’t have deficiencies, why would you take a supplement for it? And you don’t know what you’re deficient in until you get lab values. The main takeaway is to eat a plant based whole foods diet - no fish, no oils, no animals including eggs. Just ...
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There’s no reason to take an iron supplement because you’re a vegan. Eat a variety of cooked and raw greens, beans, and whole grains and you’ll be fine in the iron department. I’d take it REALLY slowly after fasting. Start with small pieces of fresh fruit the first few days and continue slowly adding fresh fruits and soft cooked veggies initially. Don’t stuff yourself, take it slow! I’d also start in with some light toning or weight work to move your metabolism along. Dr. Fuhrman has good tips on beginning to eat again after fasting. He wrote an entire book about fasting. I’ ...
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That has happened with me in the past, where the only ”breaks” from my fast that came up were dinners or meals I just couldn’t get out of, like with clients or whatever. Then I would get right back on the fast. That might not be an unhealthy way to do it anyway, our bodies can handle all kinds of stuff, and any fasting is healthy, even ”intermittent.” If you Google ”True North Health Center” or ”Dr. Goldhamer,” you will probably find ways to break a fast in a healthy way. True North is the only long-term fasting center in the U.S. run by a team of physicians who monitor the inpatients ...
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I’ve never understood the desire to do juice fasting. The insulin surges alone would keep me from even trying it. According to experts, juices don’t belong in a healthy diet even if you’re not fasting. It’s liquid calories and causes blood sugar spikes. I guess there are ”non-caloric” juices out there (flavored waters or whatever???) but by definition if you’re drinking non-caloric liquids you’re water fasting, not juice fasting. Do what you want, though. I think I read that what you can lose in a week on water will take you a month to lose on juice. But just understand juice isn’t ...
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12# in 14 days is terrific. I can’t think of any diet short of the Five Bite Diet that will give you the same results. Some people’s metabolisms are probably naturally slower. I’m in menopause so I lose slower even on water fasting. It’s fine, just roll with it. Start doing some longer walks and I agree that light stretches can help. Even light toning is fine to help burn up more calories but if you get down on the floor for stretches, be VERY careful getting up because of the risk of orthostatic hypotension. Don’t do any walks on unfamiliar terrain, there is a risk of lightheade ...
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Save your money. There’s no medical or scientific evidence in the literature that enemas are beneficial. Your intestinal and gut flora can function fine on their own. You don’t need to and can’t ”wash” them. LOL.   [End]
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1. The longer you can fast, the more benefits you accrue. If you’ve NEVER fasted in the past, embarking on a 20- or 30-day probably won’t work initially. Start with fasting one day, or commit to 2-3 days initially. If you don’t want to start today (like right now), then start eating ONLY fresh fruits and veggies (cooked or raw) for a few days beforehand. You’ll drop a little water weight and prepare yourself for the extreme caloric deficit of water fasting. 2. You should not do anything strenuous during a long water fast. Walking and light stretching are fine. Don’t try and train for ...
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Baking soda sounds like an old wives’ tale. Don’t you take medication for gout? If not, perhaps see a doctor and get some allopurinol. Tell the doctor you’re fasting and see what they say about medication. Otherwise, just power through it. Stuff like ”sour cherries” and ”baking soda” probably won’t help anything and if you’re ingesting that stuff, you’re not fasting anyway.   [End]
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You should never EVER post your phone number on line. It’s not safe. If you have 80# to lose, the longest I’d fast is 30-40 days, like the above poster said. After that, break for a week or two and do a plant based (no fat no oil no animal no dairy) diet, just whole grains, beans, veggies, and fruits. Do it for a couple weeks, then start tapering your food and start fasting again for 20-30 days. Repeat until weight is lost then do not deviate from whole plant diet and your weight should stay off. Add exercise as you are able. You have to white knuckle the first 3-4 days of a fast, ...
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Are there any links to the Soviet studies on fasting? I can’t find any primary or even secondary sources for this so any help is appreciated.   [End]
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I’m surprised this forum pushes animal products, oils, and processed foods like yogurt when the body of evidence is clear that excess protein, saturated fat and plant oils cause endothelial and arterial damage.   [End]
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You can get enough fatty acids from whole plant foods. Grains, beans, veggies, and fruits. Oils are the most calorie dense junk food on the planet - 100 calories for a tablespoon of ”food.” And they contribute to endothelial damage and raise cholesterol. Even olive oil is something like 15% saturated fat. If you have to use oils, use canola oil, since it has the lowest amount of sat fat. Just don’t heat it, put a half a teaspoon on a salad if you have to eat it. But nobody needs to be ingesting junk food like oil.   [End]
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Doesn’t a low carb diet contribute to high cholesterol and heart disease?   [End]
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Congrats on the long fast, that’s terrific. But there’s nothing evidence-based about crap stuck to your colon. If that were the case, wouldn’t it show up on a colonoscopy? The cells in your G.I. tract turn over every three days. That doesn’t leave enough time for putrefacted material to remain in the colon. Mucous membranes and bacteria also do a great job of keeping things clean and moving. It used to be that folks wouldn’t sail across the ocean for fear of falling off the edge. I think we can at least raise the bar past that level of magical thinking.   [End]
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Some people take dental health seriously. ”Alternative medicine” will not rid the body of dental disease but a root canal will and can save your teeth and gum health. I think the single worst thing you can do for your health is smoke cigarettes, but that’s just me. You have a nice day now.   [End]
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Since when is it self-righteous to indicate that clinical studies from peer reviewed medical journals are used to determine the efficacy of treatment? Show me peer reviewed studies and maybe I’ll listen. The OP can knock themselves out doing the fasting for the condition, but get back to us when you’ve completed your fasting and let us know your symptoms. They’ll still require consultation with a pain management physician whether they fast or not.   [End]
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I lose 20 pounds in about ten days so I think in 14 you could be looking at up to 20 pounds, but don’t cheat otherwise you set yourself back. I’m also not a purist about fasting, I have used water, Crystal Light, black tea with Splenda, diet ginger ale. Anything without calories will work, unless it triggers cravings.   [End]
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Any clinical studies to support your claims, or are they just claims? I’m basing my statements on clinical studies done on post abdominal surgery patients. I’m not just pulling it out of my ass. Regardless, fasting isn’t going to help this condition, and the sooner the OP looks into neuropathic pain medication, the better off they’ll be. Fasting just isn’t going to solve this problem, sorry. Neuropathic pain has specific generators in the body and fasting won’t do it. But you have a nice day now.   [End]
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There’s no scientific evidence that ”candida” should be a problem for you. Using protein shakes isn’t fasting. You don’t need excess protein and the longevity studies are indicating that the methionine in animal protein is an aging compound. Whatever protein you get from eating veggies, fruits, beans, and grains should be enough.   [End]
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I would say don’t ever touch meat, dairy, or overt oils to increase lifespan. You also want a BMI between about 18.5 and 22 and keep it there. I’d try fasting longer if I were you. The health benefits can be remarkable. I don’t know about once a week, Seifried’s studies indicate a 7-10 day fast once a year, but those days need to be consecutive and preferably 10 days minimum and not 7.   [End]
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I don’t see a problem with it except as you come up in the dental chair post procedure you could experience dizziness, but just be careful getting up out of the dental chair when you’re done. That could happen even if you’re not fasting. If obese people can get root canals, what makes you think it’s dangerous for somebody fasting?   [End]
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Great info - thanks!   [End]
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Sounds like a post procedure neuralgia syndrome, which fasting probably won’t help. Ask your doc for a referral to a pain management specialist. Getting it with fullness means there’s nerve compression at that point. More surgery won’t help and neither will fasting. You’re probably looking at neuropathic medication to ease the pain and it could become chronic. Good luck.   [End]
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Good luck on your health journey. :) Just for inspiration you might want to take a look at this: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2495396/ This man fasted for 382 days.   [End]
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Water and iced tea. :)   [End]
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Hi fasters, sorry I’ve been AWOL but I was on a business trip and had to stay an extra couple days. I was able to buy some new clothes when I was in L.A., I think I’ve dropped a couple of sizes, I’m now wearing a size 8, which is unbelievable. :p Nothing new to report, I think my weight loss is slowing down, I guess that’s to be expected. Also, many days I feel like taking a nap at my desk at about 3:30 or 4 p.m., but unfortunately that wouldn’t look very professional. LOL   [End]
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Hi fasters, I have to catch a plane to L.A. so I won’t be checking in again until Monday at the earliest. I’m exhausted as usual because it’s the end of the work week. I’m definitely sleeping very deeply. :) My hotel room will have a fridge so I can at least keep ice water and diet soda around.   [End]
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Hi fasters, just an update that everything is going pretty well. For some reason I had trouble concentrating today at work but I drank an ice-cold Diet 7-Up this afternoon at my desk and I think that helped perk me up a little bit. I’m not a fan of lukewarm or room temperature water and I always drink my beverages ice cold but I think the carbonation in the 7-Up was just what I needed. It was a little different LOL. It’s finally stopped raining here so I might walk for a little while before getting on the metro.   [End]
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Hi fasters, I’m on my way into a meeting and can’t say much, but things are going fine. I’m sleeping really deeply. This morning it was very hard to get up but I managed to do it. I’m walking at lunch with a coworker today to get a little exercise. Maybe it will perk me up a bit, it’s pretty cold here. :P   [End]
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Hi fasters, finally it’s the weekend, I slept great last night, I was exhausted from my work week. I did go out last night with the girls to see some jazz and drank Diet Coke and some mineral water all night while they ordered sushi and cocktails. :( It wasn’t that difficult, I’m just not hungry anymore so I guess the ketosis part has kicked in. Let’s hope it’s smooth sailing from here on. LOL. It’s raining today but I managed to get out and run some errands and walk around the lake, which is 3 miles. Going to the theater tonight with one of my coworkers, should be a fun evening.   [End]
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Hi fasters, it’s the beginning of day 6, sorry I could not report in yesterday, I was just too busy at work. Yesterday I was in a meeting with one of the senior partners and felt like I was going to throw up the entire time. I had to explain a complicated case I’m working on and felt like every time I opened my mouth to speak I was going to upchuck all over the guy’s desk. :( And then when I stood up to leave his office, I got orthostatic hypotension and almost fell over. I forgot that low B.P. is one of the side effects of fasting so I need to be more careful standing up, especially ...
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Hi fasters, I’m down another pound today. I had meetings all day so I was really busy and I’m exhausted now. Still feel okay, a little headachy but probably because I didn’t drink as much as fluids as I usually do. I’ll have to work on that.   [End]
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Hi I just started a few days ago and will be checking in every day for accountability and just as an on-line journaling sort of thing. There are not a lot of people posting here but reading old posts and messages when I have time is inspiring and helping me keep on track. I’ve never fasted before for longer than about 12-18 hours (and that wasn’t intentional!) so I’m anxious to see what it is like to go without food for a long period of time. Good luck!   [End]
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Hi fasters, its the middle of day 3 for me, I’m down 5.4 pounds so I’m happy with that. :) I’m not expecting to lose very quickly since I’m menopausal and that will probably slow down my loss no matter what I do. :o) It would normally take me about three or four weeks to lose 5#, though, so I’m happy that I did it in three days. I am really hungry and trying to stay distracted with work. Also drinking lots of black tea with Splenda, iced tea, and water. I have plenty to keep me busy so I think I’ll be fine.   [End]
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So 18 days ago you were on your eighth day? That’s great, hope you are continuing even if not posting here. I’m on day 2, hope to continue on, so far not having any problems. I was hungry this morning but I got busy at work and forgot about it so it’s all good. :p Went out to lunch with two coworkers and just got back. I drank iced tea, told them I didn’t feel very hungry but didn’t mention the fasting, just that I wasn’t up to eating so I just sat and drank my iced tea and nobody cared.   [End]
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Nice work coleb97! or 37! (sorry) I’m right behind you, I started today, don’t know how long I can go, but just taking it day by day. I’ve been really thirsty, I did a 60-minute walk this morning and hope to do so again tomorrow. Still using up glycogen so I don’t feel ”abnormal” yet LOL. Keep up the good work!   [End]
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TMI. You would need a stool sample to find out what it is. If you are bleeding per rectum or otherwise concerned, see a doctor.   [End]
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