This is good/usefull information. Glad your back. Thanks   [End]
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You are absolutely right. Restoring gut flora from dysbiosis, or microflora imbalance shoud be the number one priority to dealing with candida and other pathogenic organisms. Without a healthy microbiome there is little chance of recovery. This is precisely why I quit trying to defeat candida and pathogenic bacteria with antifungals, antimicrobials and such. Restoration of indigenous gut flora, though, can not be accomplished by ingesting manufactured probiotics. These wil not colonize and only last in the colon for several days at best. Nor will food based probiotics implant. The only pro ...
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I mainly read posts that refer to fecal implants because it seems to me to offer the best hope of recovery from dysbiosis/candida. I look forward to reading anything Jorge can dig up on this subject. Please keep up your research. This is cutting edge information. I too have had my microbiota destroyed by antibiotics, and if I could find a suitable and willing donor for a fecal transplant, I might be cured of this devistating illness. Thank you Jorge!   [End]
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I am a strong believer in consumtng foods low on the GI index while dealing with candida/dysbiosis. High carb diet is probably the worst diet possible for those suffering with this syndrome. It was when I went to a low carb diet that I was able to maintain some semblance of a healthy gut. Not cured mind you, but less toxic and less diahrreah and other symptoms.   [End]
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Well said Jorge, I totally agree. Good luck, my man!   [End]
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Good luck with the fecal implant. I have known about HPI for many years now and still think it is potentially the cure for dysbiosis, which all of us on this forum undoubtaly have. My problem is I can not find a willing or suitable donor. Still looking, though. Concerning kefir and probiotics there is a huge misconcepption on this forum that somehow these bacteria will colonize the colon. They will not, can not and never will permanently colonize. They are the wrong species of bacteria and can not implant. Probiotics have very limited utility, mostly they dissapear from the colon in 2- ...
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http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/08/110824131547.htm Ok, maybe this time it will work. Thanks for your patience   [End]
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It is about time the medical profession begin to understand that antibiotics are destroying our immune systems. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/08/110824131547.htm,   [End]
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In my opinion, oligosaccharides and inulin are forms of sugar that are going to feed whatever bacteria or yeast that reside in the GI tract. If you have pathogenic organiisms in your gut, they will be fed by such substances. I beleive it is unlikely to promote the growth friendly organisms and not the pathogenic ones. Whatever is there wll be fed. Thus, if dysbiosis is your problem, which it most likely is, then any form of sugar (carbohydrates) will most likely exacerbate your condition.   [End]
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I intend to do a fecal transplant or Human Probiotic Infusion or what ever you choose to name it. I have been researching this subject for at least 3 years now and feel confident that it will offer a ”cure”, but have not found a willing or suitable donor. I believe many of the folks that visit this site are experiencing Dysbiosis, and candida is in fact dysbiosis. Which is to say that they have an issue of their gut flora being out of balance. I personally see no other way to correct dysbiosis other than by doing an implant with ”Gods Probiotic”. If I can be of any help by providing furthe ...
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Oh, but you are so wrong. Obviously you really have not done any research on Human Probiotic infusion, Bacteriotherapy or fecal transplant. The procedure is curative and has saved many lives. Please do a little homework before you post such inacurate tripe. Dr. Johanes aas, Dr Thomas Borody, Dr Timothy Rubin, Dr Khoruts have all suucessfully performed fecal transplants that have been life saving after repeated rounds of antibiotic treatments that failed. HPI has sopped C. difficile infection in its tracks. Here is link you obviously have missed. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/0 ...
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I have had tis muscle twitching problem for a long time. It seems to be worse when I am tired, don’t sleep well or have some flare up of symptoms related to intestinal dysbiosis. I have come to believe that toxins are released in to the blood stream from Bad bacteria in the gut, or if you prefer, candida. My legs, eyelids and various other muscles twitch and it feels as though something is terribly wrong. I have tried to live with it, but I know it is another reason to believe that this illness is frustratihg and difficult to understand and control. I wish I could offer more help. I have t ...
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Thought you guys might benefit from this great article. It is very informative and I believe offers hope for those suffering from dysbiosis. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/13/science/13micro.html   [End]
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I would not waste my money on this product. These are not friendly bacteria that will colonize or implant in the the GI tract. I would advise you to research Human Probiotic Infusion, Bacteriotherapy or Fecal Transplant if you are in need of restoring your microbiome.   [End]
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I stated three years ago on this forum that I believed that most people posting here had an issue with bacteria as their main problem. I still beleive that is the case, and that candida is mostly a secondary issue. It seems much more productive to think in terms of DYSBIOSIS, with SIBO being, in many cases, a contributor to this illness.   [End]
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HCL might be of benefit as well. Golden seal would be something I would consider also. Or any berberine containing herb such as yellow root or Oregon grape. How is your digestion and elimination? Different or the same?   [End]
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Guys, check out this site. It is called Reach Md. Doctor Timothy Rubin talks about performing stool transplants. It is about a 15 minute web radio. They will only take you as a patient if you have been referred by Gastroenterologist and have a medically documented case of c. diff. that has been treated 2 times with antibiotics without success. http://www.reachmd.com/xmsegment.aspx?sid=4180   [End]
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I do not believe it is possible to recover from dysbiosis through eating raw foods. I have been on a raw food diet for 5 years now and I still have severe dysbiosis. My health is better as a result from this diet, in as muuch as my nutrition is much better. My energy level has improved and I am thankfull for that. I believe the human GI tract is home to upwards of 174 trillon bacteria. How are you going to affect a change a bacterial colony of that size through diet or by chance? You need large numbers of the right strains of dominant species implanted to bring about a shift in the biome. ...
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I agree with djorge on the caprylic acid. Of course I would avoid sugars and refined carbs. You may have success with one implant, then again it may take 4-5. Please keep us posted. I am still looking for a donor. Not something most people are going to understand. Good luck and thanks for the good info you have provided us about HPI.   [End]
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I agree with you Markk. Reestablishing microflora is essential for affecting a cure. Cnadidiasis is, in my opinion, is an opportunisic fungal infection resulting from dysbiosis, most often caused by antibiotic use. The human colon is a very competitive environment. There is this thing called ”competitive exclusion”, which simply means candida will be outcompeted for receptor sites in the colon. Our microflora IS our immune system. A healthy microbiome is what excludes pathogenic fuguses and bacteria from taking hold. Sorry if I seem to be repeating myself. HPI is our best theraputic treatm ...
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I never stated a raw food diet will cure candida. I do however believe that raw food is the way to go for optimum nutrition which any one with candida or dysbiosis may need. My health improved dramatically from including raw foods in my diet. What is radical is to maintain the Standard American diet devoid of enzymes, chlorophyl, vitamins and minerals. My symptoms are much more tolerable and my energy level is much improved from incorperating raw food in my diet. This is a healthy regime, though it will not cure candida.   [End]
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I am a believer in the merits of eating a raw food diet. There are many ways to do this kind of diet. I can not tolerate sugar of any kind-fruit is definitely out. Potatoes are the worst thing you can eat. Eating low on the glycemic index is the key. Raw foods offer superior nutrition, something we all need , especially those with malabsorbtion problems-anyone suffering from dysbiosis. A hunderd percent is not necessary. 70-80% seems to work for most folks. I try to eat organic and I continue to eat good, clean, organic or wild meat, cooked. I am not a vegetarian and I consider myself a ra ...
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Great info! Here is a link to the entire article about dr Khoruts and microflora published in the New York Times. The medical system is way behind the learning curve of scientific research in the role of intestinal microflora and Human health. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/13/science/13micro.html   [End]
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I can envision a scenario where intrepid folks, on a health quest, seek out people in remote areas in the Amazon to mine their feces for robust bacteria for infusion. Far removed from the antibiotics of Western medicine, indigenous tribal people probably have pure, unadulterated bacteria in their GI tract.   [End]
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Hi Cheshire. Yes, I am still around. It seems that HPI may not always work first time around, though many folks do report success from one round. For others it may take several courses. There is probably a lot of variation in beneficial bacterial communties from one donor to another. And of course there is the notion of ”competitive exclusion” whereby the recipients microbiota attempts to out compete the donated bacteria for receptor sites. The Human colon is a competive arena where bacteria are constantly in a state of flux. However, there is a certain degree of homeostasis within the mic ...
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Thank you Markk for a great post. To my mind fecal implant or human probiotic infusion is the only means to restore the gut biome and cure dysbiosis. Manufactured probiotics in pill form will not cure dysbiosis; they are incapable of implanting and only provide temporary benefit at best. We must look at curing Candida from a holistic perspective, which requires restoration of the human gut microbiota with human derived bacteria species. I know that I am stepping on toes when I state that Probiotics don’t cure, but that is the case. However, I believe there is great hope in fecal transplant ...
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You really are an idiot!   [End]
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I would be willing to bet that you can make more from the culture they provide, maybe as many as 3-7 times, just like regular yogurt. I don’t think there is any danger in trying. Tell more about what you know about the product. Can you describe in more detail some of the benefits you are experiencing from it? I would of course like to know more about Human strains of bacteria they are using and how well they implant.   [End]
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Big pharma owns the medical sysytem and determines what medical conditions are recognized. They have determined that there is more profit for them by treating you rather than curing you. Besides, they would have to admit that Candida or dysbiosis is real and that antibiotics, prescribed by them, caused those illnesses. You must become your own doctor and forget about them. Use the internet for research and find your own way to health.   [End]
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Good info. I hope you continue posting.   [End]
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Are you really that dense! WHy is it so incredibly difficult for you to understand what I am saying. I know the function of Human Microbiota and its role in Maintaining health. I thought the subject was whether Manufactured probiotics establish and whether they cure dysbiosis. This is what we are discusssing. Right!? They do not establish and they do not cure. How can I be more clear. And, yes, I do know a lot about he subject.   [End]
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I have no idea what you are talking about. I am talking about Human microbiota. You seem to have drifted into some other subject or something. All I ever states was that Probiotics do not establish in the GI tract and that they do not cure. These are facts. If you do not comprehend this then that is your problem. Good luck.   [End]
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You can totally disagree till the cows come home but that does not change the fact that probiotics either in cultured food or store bought will not implant and will not cure dysbiosis. Look folks, we have evolved with certain friendly bacteria in the gi tract over millions of years. they are specific bacteria that provide many benefits.The human intestinal tract is one of the richest bacterial communities in the world. Once this community is obliterated by antibiotics, it will never be the some. It is as diverse as the Amazon rainforest, then it is clearcut by antibiotics, then what comes ...
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Like I said, bacteria from Manufactured probiotics and cultured food do not establish in the GI tract. Quit ingesting them and see what happens. You are back to where you were before you consumed them. Folks who have done their research will know this. I am not trying to make you angry or make you feel hopeless, just stating reality. The Gi tract is home to 4000-5000 different species of bacteria, 10 times more bacteria cells than cells in the entire Human body. Why would you think that manufatured probiotics from the dairy industry could possibly colonize such a hostile environment? They ...
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Probiotics do not implant or establish colonies in the GI tract. They are of short term benefit that only help some people sometimes, ie with digestion, elimination,and so forth. No manufatured probiotic or cultured food bacteria is capable of establishing residence in the GI tract because they are the wrong species and and it is a highly competitive area with no receptor sites available. It is a very hostile area for bacteria to get established. If a probiotic manufaturer claims there bacteria will implant, then they are either misinformed or the are telling a lie, plain and simple. I wis ...
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Very good info on vitamin D. I listened to the archive interview with Dr. John Cannell. Extraordinary! To Listen to this program, go to the bottom of the page and click on mp3 interview. It’s a game changer.   [End]
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Yes, Bananas are pretty bad for sure. You will want to eat foods that are low on the glycemic index. Granny smith apples are the only fruit I eat, except tomatoes. Think in terms of having dysbiosis because your gut flora is pretty much destroyed. Rebuilding the flora is basically the only way I see to regain health, but that is easier said than done. C. difficile overgrowth is also potentially causing a problem, which is normally kept in check by friendly bacteria. Look into Human Probiotic Infusion, the only way I know of replacing the flora.   [End]
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Do a google search for ”stool transplant” or ”human probiotic infusion”. You need a healthy donor who has been screened for pathogens. It can be done at home if you do research and learn the basic protocol. There is a clinic In Duluth Minnesota that does it. St Mary’s clinic. Doctor’s name is Timothy Rubin. They have had great success with stool implants.They however have very strict requirements for determing who they treat-you have to test positive for c. difficile and have to had tried 2 cources of antibiotics to get rid of it. Hope this helps   [End]
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I did not say that they do not offer some benefit sometimes, although as soon as you cease taking them those benefits will in a day or two discontinue. What I did say was that probiotics do not implant or permanently colonize. If they Implanted permanently you would not have to continue taking them. Try discontinuing their use and see what happens. Also, go back and read what I stated.   [End]
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I would like nothing more than to to be able to take probiotics and be healed of dysbiosis. The truth is probiotics will not implant, and if you do enough research you will discover this fact. Do not be fooled by false and misleading claims by the medical establishment and the supplement industry stating that these probiotics will cure you. They are the wrong strains, wrong species, and inadequite numbers. Like I stated brfore, 4000-5000 distinct species of flora live in the GI tract that number in the hundreds of trillions. The HUMAN GI tact is one of the richest and densist biomes on the ...
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The simple answer is no manufactured store bought probiotic or any cultured probiotic, including yogurt or kefir, are capable of ”repopulating” the bowel on a permanent basis. They will not ”implant”, ”colonize”, ”replace” or in any way restore the microbiota that has been eliminated from the GI tract either from the use of antibiotics or any other detrimental means. Probiotics may have a short term benfit in aiding digestion and elimination and possibly some other positive sffects but these only last as long as they are consumed. Seems there is alot of misinformation out here about tak ...
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I have used Dr ohirra’s 12 plus with fairly good results. I do belive that a loading dose is totally unescessary. You will not really gain any advantage from doing so, just waste money in my opinion.   [End]
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No manufactured probiotic of any quality or brand will ”replenish”, ”replace”, or ”restore” ones idigenous friendly bacteria to the gi tract. Probiotics can and sometimes do ameliorate some of the symptoms of dysbiosis, but they cannot implant and will dissapear in a matter of days from the large intestine upon cessation. If a probiotic manufacturer claims otherwise, they are either lying or misinformed.   [End]
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Like you I was excited about trying vsl#3. Both my brother and me tried it, and was greatly dissapointed. Neither vsl#3 or culterelle did anything at all positive. Hope your experience is better. I obtained the best results from Dr. Ohirras 12 plus.   [End]
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No I have not yet done the Human Probiotic Infusion, yet. I can’t afford to go to Borody’s clinic or to Johannes Aas in Duluth. There are probably others who can perform this procedure. It is not difficult to do and there is enough info on the internet about it that any interested phusician could learn the procedure. I guess the most important aspect is finding a good donor. I intend to do my own version of the procedure. When you read THE PROBIOTIC REVOLUTION you will see how much research is now being done to understand the complexity of intestinal flora. Go to sciencedaily.com and searc ...
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The human intestinal microbiota functions essentially like an organ in the body. It has a vital function like our kidneys, liver, gall bladder etc. I would suggest those who want to learn more about this should read THE PROBIOTIC REVOLUTION, a book that gives lots of info on how important our gut flora are to our immune system. I would also encourage folks to check out the PROBIOTIC THERAPY RESEARCH CENTRE, founded by Tom Borody. He is doing some incredible work at his clinic down under. To quote Him: ” Human probiotic infusion uses normal ”good” Human Flora introduced into the patients bo ...
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Diet can help moderate some of the symptons that people eperience from dysbiosis. Eat foods low on the carbohydrate index. This will help keep candida and bad bacteria in check because they both love suger in any form. And when they eat sugar they multiply and produce toxins that flood the body. The proper care and feeding of our gut flora will be posted later. But, to answwer your question more directly, the only way to restore it is with fecal flora replacement, also known as human probiotic infusion. I will elaborate in more detail later. It took nearly dying and years of research to p ...
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Ok, so how do you restore your lost colony, your inner rainforest with all it’s diversity? First, probiotics that you buy won’t do it. There is not one probiotic on the market that will implant or colonise the gi tract. These are mostly made up of bacteria that are produced by the dairy industry and they are not species that inhabit the gi tract. lactobacillus acidophilus, bifidobacterium bifidus L. themophius, salivarius and others like them may offer some people some short term benefit and they may taste good in yogurt, but don’t count on them to cure you of anything. To make an analogy, ...
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Antibiotics are designed to kill bacteria, Right? The problem is they KILL BACTERIA! Some antibiotics show some discriminaton in wich bacteria they destroy but even the mildest antibiotics can cause perterbation in our gut bacteria. Some times the good bacteria can regenerate somewhat, but never like it was before taking antibiotics. And with broad spectrum antibiotic you are certainly on a course of serious gastrointestinal illness, maybe for life. The good bacteria wich predominate are destroyed from the antibiotic, a poison to them. This sets up an imbalance condition that leaves the do ...
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Ok, so we are host to a complex network of microbiota that we are highly dependent on to help maintain or health. Remember, these critters pretty much maintained themselves throughtout our evolution as a species without humans probably ever knowing that they existed. Thes bacteria began to colonize our colons at birth during the delivery process. From contact with a small amount of fecal matter from our mother upon birth, contact with bacteria from her breast and friendly flora from her milk, the colonisation began. As a natural occurance we would ingest bacteria playing out of doors and e ...
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It was thought until very recently that the human intestinal tract harbored anywhere from 400 to 500 different species of mostly friendly bacteria. These bacteria play a very important role in maintaining our health. They function as a first line of defense against potentially invasive pathogenic bacteria, an immune system response. There are 10 times more bacteria in the digestive system than there are cells in the human body. These good guys also play a vital role in digestion and the manufacture of certain bacteria such as vitamin b12. We as a species have co-evolved with thes micro-org ...
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