At the beginning of the 20th century a little book titled ”Flatland” was published by Edwin Abbott. It may have been the first attempt to visualize transitions between spaces with different numbers of dimensions. Abbott described in humorous detail a world of creatures who live in 2-D space. They have no third dimension, like we do. Their world is confined to a two-dimensional surface, such as a sheet of paper without any thickness. For our discussion we shall modify Abbott’s story. We shall assume that these creatures have the shape of circular discs with zero thickness, and with a ”nos ...
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Lol! You blew all that by putting in ”with any intellectual honesty” at the end. Sorry bud, you lose again. ;-)   [End]
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Funny how evolutionists hardly EVER present any facts backing up evolution in here. The most common evolutionist spews out personal opinions about those who actually do post topics in here. Apparently the typical evolutionist has no understanding of the word debate where one side presents one side of an argument and the other side presents an argument against it. You fit neither. You present no information showing dark matter, dark energy, or parallel universes can’t exist, because apparently you can’t. I guess maybe you’re smarter than the best physicists and astrophysicists so you can ...
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Ahh. So you like your physics to be out dated, but not too much?   [End]
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Yes God is a farmer, so why stop with one planet, realm, or universe? Yes you’re right about this article not proving chance is not a possibility. Like I said before, I don’t think evolution is impossible. I doubt it’s what science says, and they have no real proof showing it is, just a theory, with only circumstantial evidence backing up macroevolution. My goal isn’t to prove they’re wrong. My goal as you will see, is to show just as much circumstantial evidence as evolution has, that there are other possibilities for everything we find on Earth & in the universe. The evidence will be j ...
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Parallel Universes (The Science Channel 6/13 again)  Imagine if you could find the explanation for everything in the universe. This is the dream that has captured the most brilliant scientists since Einstein. Now they think they may have found it. The theory is breath taking, but it has an extraordinary conclusion. That the universe we live in, is not the only one.  There could be an infinite number of universes each with a different law of physics. Our universe could be just one bubble floating in an ocean of our bubbles. Everything you’re about to hear is true, at le ...
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Don’t worry about re-editing. Yes I would believe it would be huge if they have to rewrite the whole thing, and it’s going to happen like I said before. I don’t see it as a big cover-up though. I don’t think they are intentionally deceiving, they just don’t know any better, yet. Give them a chance. Trust me they are getting closer. Wait till you see my next post. I guess you are right about the mental destruction, but I see it everywhere, in every system made by man. Judicial, political, or what ever system. It’s good for a person to pick their battle, and you’ve picked yours. Not all of ...
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Yep, but speaking of closing the doors and printing it out. Wait till you see my next post. I’m sure in the end they won’t be able to, but right now they think they can. (They being science)   [End]
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SS, Remember I’m on your side here. What I’ve seen is you becoming more angry or obsessed in all this to where you’ve become blind to the basic fact. Evolution merely says life forms change, has changed and will continue to change. The way they say they change may be wrong, I agree, but they do change, and nothing you’ve posted has proven otherwise. In fact you’ve proven life forms can change very fast. This has only proven microevolution can happen fast, and may happen differently than previously thought, and I don’t think anyone in here denies it exists. You’ve only proven the reason ...
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Hey Welcome to the forum Beej! I doubt it is too, but it will be interesting to see what they discover out of it all. Have you read my post called Something Unseen Pulls the Strings Of The Cosmos? I think you might like it. I just threw these last couple of posts in between the real ones. The next real one is going to be really interesting, I think. Stay tuned and Welcome!   [End]
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Team believes it found Noah’s Ark Returns from Iranian mountain with petrified wood, marine fossils http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50857 Posted: June 30, 2006 1:00 a.m. Eastern © 2006 WorldNetDaily.com A 14-man crew that included evangelical apologist Josh McDowell says it returned from a trek to a mountain in Iran with possible evidence of the remains of Noah’s Ark. The group, led by explorer Bob Cornuke, found an unusual object perched on a slope 13,120 feet above sea level. Cornuke, president of the archeological Base Institute and a veteran of n ...
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Yes it does seem to be ”messed up” or different. It gives reasons for this and ’evidence’ to back it up. I just find it interesting.   [End]
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5,000,000,000 years ago our sun was a comparatively isolated blazing orb, having gathered to itself most of the near-by circulating matter of space, remnants of the recent upheaval which attended its own birth. Today, our sun has achieved relative stability, but its eleven and one-half year sunspot cycles betray that it was a variable star in its youth. In the early days of our sun the continued contraction and consequent gradual increase of temperature initiated tremendous convulsions on its surface. These titanic heaves required three and one-half days to complete a cycle of varying b ...
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Boy you and Muad need to study up on cancer. Cancer is not complicated. Cancer is a simple lower life form, like bacteria that used to live on Earth back when the oxygen levels were low. And ever since then bacteria have sought to live in low oxygen environments, like decaying matter and us. It was proven in the 40’s by Otto Warburg that cancer occurs when the amount of oxygen normally in the body, lowers by 40%, and the cells loose the enzymes needed to process oxygen and start using sugar for energy instead of oxygen. Have you ever heard of heart cancer? It doesn’t exist. There is canc ...
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Hey while you’re creating better than God, why don’t you just create a creature that doesn’t need them in the first place. A creature that can self-replicates. That would be the next step in evolution wouldn’t it?   [End]
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I wasn’t talking about a perfect body that lives forever. I was talking about a body that didn’t have the flaws you were talking about. Why hasn’t evolution done a better job with that? I won’t comment about you testicle theory since that seems to be a touchy subject with you. ;-) You do fail to realize people like Christians have less fear about dying than the average atheist. More of them have died fearlessly just for their beliefs than atheists. To say the fear of dying is the basis for all religion is silliness. I could say the fear of anwsering to someone for your actions after you ...
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Well that’s what all the survey’s I’ve seen say. That’s for Americans too. The rest of the world is less than 15%.   [End]
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So many questions. ;-) I guess the moral would be both sides are viewing the same thing from different perspectives, and yes people will believe what they want. I was just using science, for those who have total faith in that, to show it’s crossing over to the other side and will eventually wind up at the same place relitivly. No, it doesn’t make anyone right or wrong. It does show limited vision or desire, in my opinion. No, it doesn’t change the truth. That’s the one thing that can never change. It could be more important to live in harmony for some, but it could be more import ...
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You’re totally right about the walls between both sides are put up by limited vision! Both sides are viewing the same thing from different perspectives. Science from the physical, religion from the spiritual, when we are both physical and spiritual.   [End]
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Funny how if we use what God created, we cure disease. And man says there is no God when they can’t even understand the how disease, the body, the Earth or universe operates yet to know for sure there is no God.   [End]
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Yes, why is evolution be so flawed? You would think after 4 billion years it would have done a better job. There are many known purposes for the questions you ask. Some of them do and don’t have anything to do with evolution or creation. Do some studing on the human body, evolution, creation, and the silly things humans do to the body, and quit streatching the facts. ”If god loved us so much, why would he give us such crappy bodies?” Because of something that’s basic to all beliefs. We’re here to develop the spiritual not the physical. If you develop the spiritual, the physical will f ...
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Yes you’re right. I wasn’t saying this energy or force is God. I was just saying it sounds like what the Bible says about God. Personally I don’t believe God is some guy sitting up in Heaven on a throne somewhere. That is man in the Bible I believe, and that is where most atheists go wrong. They can’t see the things man put in the Bible, or their assesments of what’s in the Bible, and that’s where it all falls apart, and is why they condemn it, and rightly so in my opinion. But this doesn’t prove there is no God. I believe this force is more like a tool of God just like evolution. I beli ...
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Most Of Our Universe Is Missing (From the Science Channel 6/13/06) Over the past 40 years some of the world’s best minds have tackled a big VERY big problem. According to their calculations, 96% of the universe is missing. Something you can’t see can’t really define, and definitely don’t understand controls the universe. And if the numbers are right, we’re even smaller than we thought. Atoms are extremely versatile things. In various configurations, they make up everything we see, smell, taste and feel, including our bodies, our coffee, & even our tennis rackets. Everything around us i ...
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I don’t understand why it’s so hard for you to present evidence for evolution Corinthian? I’ll help you out I guess, since you seem so evidence challanged.  Here’s a good starting point. Let’s see what they say! Holes in the Theory The theory of evolution is just that -- a theory. According to "The American Heritage Dictionary," a theory is: A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomen ...
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Yep, no one belief or religion is totally right. There are no opposites anywhere, only compliments. All views of reality are just from different perspectives, and all correct to some extent. If we were all supposed to be the same, we would just be robots. So it’s best to look at it all and take what you can use from where ever it comes from, I believe. Good points 36!   [End]
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Yeah ignore the point because you’re wrong as ALWAYS! ”don’t bother writing anything at all.” ”this is one of your (many)shortcomings and why you have difficulty undertanding the facts.”   [End]
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Dude, it doesn’t matter who wrote it. You ignore the point behind what I was saying. The basis for the article is flawed, so this makes the whole article flawed from the start. You can’t even ”read” what I was saying ”properly”. ”If you had, you’d have learned that I” was saying the article is flawed from the start like you do with creationist statements, and that you are a hypocrite. ”But like” MOST evolutionists (I don’t stereotype like you) ”you only see what you want to see and not what is actually there.” Get the message? You’re no better than creationists, and your belief in ev ...
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I’m not saying Darwin was right. In fact I thought Darwinism was dead pretty much, a few years ago. I’m not even saying evolution is true. I do say it’s possible, like the Bible says, anything is possible. I do say, no one including you and I, can disprove something that has no proof in the first place. And also lack of proof for God, evolution, or that ozone cures cancer, doesn’t prove it’s not true. No one in this world can prove God or evolution scientifically. Yet that is. As far as physical evidence, both sides can only be proven by if then statements. The physical evidence is only ...
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You know Corinth, using the same argument you use on creationists that whole post is flawed. I was going to read it till you threw in your ignorant opioions. ”The program was a good lesson in the workings of the creationist mind and a sad display of what happens when a bit of paranoia and some wishful thinking is mixed with an unhealthy dose of ignorance.” Like you said before, when you start out with a flawed perception the rest is flawed.   [End]
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I think you got it wrong too SS. Wait till you see a couple of articles I’m going to be doing soon.   [End]
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I was just thinking about a show I just seen on the science channel I think, about a scientist trying to mix a chimp or ape of some kind with human DNA, and trying to get a patient on the creature that results. Trying to patient human strains. They didn’t give it to him, but he’s trying again. So maybe they’re going CREATE evolution. Frieghtening thought too.   [End]
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All I’m saying is no one has proved evolution is possible or impossible. This means anybody. Your articles showning squirrels can adapt very quickly, makes evolution more possible actually. I also think it’s unrealistic to say we’ve been lied to. Scientists only know what they’ve been taught, just like doctors. I used to think like you do, but they don’t know any better. 99% of doctors and scientists are only bringing home the butter. I work in the health field kind of, (which is hate as much if not more than you do) and I’ve never met one person in the field who wouldn’t switch to alter ...
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I just want to say you haven’t proved evolution doesn’t exist, just like evolutionists haven’t proved it exists. It also doesn’t mean there is no such thing as random chance. It will just means they will have to include environmental changes in their theories too, which I thought they were doing already.   [End]
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No,if he responds it will be the tail chasing again. http://curezone.com/forums/m.asp?f=543&i=2379#i or http://curezone.com/forums/m.asp?f=543&i=2330#i Hopefully he’s given up and left the forum realizing his lame debate. I have to admit it’s been fun ruffling up his feathers though.   [End]
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No one is interested? Are you everyone? I know you think you’re the only one who matters, which I would bet everyone else in here would disagree with. You seem to be the king of nonsense posts. Also you seem to be the idiot. The smallest particles of life aren’t cells. ”Don’t you even bother to check the most basic facts when putting up this crap?” There is also money for the first person who can prove evolution. So what’s your point besides the one on your head?   [End]
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No one is interested? Are you everyone? I know you think you’re the only one who matters, which I would bet everyone else in here would disagree with. You seem to be the king of nonsense posts. Also you seem to be the idiot. The smallest particles of life aren’t cells. ”Don’t you even bother to check the most basic facts when putting up this crap?” There is also money for the first person who can prove evolution. So what’s your point besides the one on your head?   [End]
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No one is interested? Are you everyone? I know you think you’re the only one who matters, which I would bet everyone else in here would disagree with. You seem to be the king of nonsense posts. Also you seem to be the idiot. The smallest particles of life aren’t cells. ”Don’t you even bother to check the most basic facts when putting up this crap?” There is also money for the first person who can prove evolution. So what’s your point besides the one on your head?   [End]
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Just like the big bang coming from nothing. nothing equals nothing, just like corinth equals nothing.   [End]
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As usual, everything is nonsense, or illogical to you. I would have hated to be your math or algebra teacher.   [End]
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Believe hat you want. I don’t think there is a person alive who doubts the world is round or tht gravity exists. There is proof and proof that evolution is true. Two different things.   [End]
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”Yep, we’re all talking about the same stuff...just using different words to say it.” Yes, or viewing it from diferent perspectives. ”The mystics of all spiritual traditions know this, and physics is coming very close to saying the same thing.” Yes again. It always amazes me how people think all the religions are different. The only part that is different is what man has added the truth. And science is coming to the same point from yet another view point, like you said. Some day it will all come together, and I think and hope perhaps in our life time. This will be the true revelation. ...
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Ok now that you’re done CREATING your new disease like conventional medicine does. How much will it cost me to be cured this time? Having a hard time seeing the forest for the trees? Too many to find, name, classify, & theorize, when there is no seperation? Some day. Maybe. That tail you’re chasing must taste real good. Can I have a bite? :-) I had to give up my Jesus toe. :-(   [End]
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Ok Moreless, Those last two posts are the moreless I thought I knew. Maybe it was me, but it seemed to me you were arguing, and it was about something I never said I believed in. I was just finishing corinth’s post, which I knew was coming up next and you can see in his last posts. It sounds like you really believe in the zero point stuff, but my mind is still out on that one. I really don’t believe in the frequency and ph stuff, but I haven’t researched it that much. My research has been in what cures cancer. (My wife HAD cancer) http://curezone.com/forums/m.asp?f=254&i=1529 But my res ...
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Ok the gig’s up. Corinith has discovered our secret ritual. (Hands over Jesus’ toe I’ve been nibbling on) Once again you’re proof evolution CAN’T be real.   [End]
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Ok the gig’s up. Corinith has discovered our secret ritual. (Hands over Jesus’ toe I’ve been nibbling on) Once again you’re proof evolution CAN’T be real.   [End]
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HAHA I guess you’re totally hopeless! And why do you vote for yourself anyway?   [End]
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I like the Tao! When they think that they know the answers, people are difficult to guide. When they know that they don’t know, people can find their own way. And my version: God is always at ease. God overcomes without competing answers without speaking a word, arrives without being summoned.   [End]
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Corinthian, So are you going to post the proof that evolution is true? I helped you get the word out on the stupid reasons why you don’t want to debate with creationists. It did prove how stupid some of them are in thinking I wrote it or believed it. Don’t you realize if there was real proof evolution is true, there would be no argument? I’d even help you spread the word if you had the proof. I believe in evolution and creation, but I’m not a creationist or evolutionist. Both are incomplete without the other. The truth is, neither can be proven by science. Both have only circumstantial p ...
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Just substitute creationist with evolutionist. In many ways they’re the same.   [End]
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All I got to say is where is your proof that ”each species is controled to stay what species it is by the Electrical Frequency which Dictates it’s species to be!”   [End]
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Hi Morless, First of all, I just post them. I didn’t write them and I have never said they are the ”correct info.” The fact is I don’t know, and I doubt you do either. If you did I would think you would post the un-arguable evidence. So you can sterotype me like Corinth does everybody if you like, but I actually expected ”more” from you, not ”less.” Also even the most non-believeing scientist knows matter is slowed energy. As MY good book says, sicne YOU apparently don’t know anything about me, why I post things, what I believe and don’t believe, you are pre-judging, ”for you think with ...
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http://www.evolutionhappens.net/nodebate.htm 2. Many, if not most creationists are dishonest in their dealings with evolutionists. This dishonesty includes contacting evolutionists under false pretenses. This commonly takes the form of a diehard creationist emailing an evolutionist under the guise of being a student with a homework assignment or someone who was ”just wondering”. Another common practice, is to quote prestigious and/or popular scientists out of context, to give the false impression that they do not believe that life has come into existence through an evolutionary process. ...
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Don’t worry Gbear I haven’t made that mistake even though I didn’t write ”most evolutionists”, instead of just evolutionists. I believe in creation, and evolution is one of God’s tools like you commented. I just point out the fact there is no scientific proof for either, so they are both faiths. I like to challenge both sides to see the whole picture instead of just half. So which side of the fence are you on, or you like me, a fence crasher?   [End]
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Funny how you evolutionists think this forum is ONLY about evolution. And you also have NO evidence to prove it. What’s up with that? Weak argument? Truth is, you ALL know you can’t prove something that is supposed to be scientific fact, even though they keep lowering the bar on the definition. There’s your evolution, and it’s reverse evolution.   [End]
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It’s funny how the only thing I’ve ever seen you provide as proof of ANYTHING in here, is something about the Bible. You condemn every creationist for being illogical and not knowing what they’re talking about, (without you providing ANY evidence showing their error) and yet you think you’re an expert in Christianity. Apparently you can do the same thing you condemn Creationists for doing and that’s ok. Since you obiously know nothing about religion, I’ll update you. Blame yourself if your own short-sightedness should do you the disservice of making you want to force ALL my people to wa ...
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Lol. You think I wrote those articles? Your scientific buddies wrote them, except for the ”And Now” post.   [End]
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I went through some of your posts and thought I’d respond to them. ”When are creationist going to evolve into rational thinking people?” Hmm, maybe there’s the proof evolution doesn’t exist? How many millions of years and generations have we been around and still no change? It seems to me the only thing that has evolved is imagination. (evolution theory) ”That’s what I keep thinking about the intellectual capacity of creationists. Damn those people, join the rational world.” Where’s your proof we haven’t joined ”the rational world”? Requiring actual proof for evolution is unrat ...
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Hi Jane, This is the typical tactic for evolutionists. Move the bar around because none of it stands up to scrutiny. The purpose is to try and confuse so you give up, because they don’t have the facts needed to proof their THEORY. It wouldn’t be called a THEORY if they did. But then we wouldn’t be here reading all his arrogant statements. Another tactic used when it can’t be proven. Notice this person offers NO proof for anything said so far? Unless arrogance = evolution. Then I have all the proof I need. How about you?   [End]
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Oh yeah sorry. I forgot this is the Corinthian ”debate” forum. No talking about creation allowed in here.   [End]
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Gen. 1:1-2 1“In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2And the earth was without form and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.” Now, look up the original Hebrew definition for the word was is, right after the word earth in the second verse. You will see what is translated as the English word was, would better be translated as the phrase ’It came to pass’. Or if you want a word for word translation, instead of was, it should be became. The original Hebrew verse meant, ”And it came to pass that the earth b ...
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Science is a religion unto itself and as it advances it takes with it the trappings of faith: blind observance and dogma. Questioning the world, the original intention of the ideology, is no longer accepted as such a great virtue if it creates doubt that is beyond the realm of scientific analysis and is basically dead. Science has neared it’s limit of understanding, and advancement with it’s current beliefs, and methods. A platform has evolved from which the science-religion operates and any deviation from this is scorned, ridiculed and lumped under the category of pseudo-science or qua ...
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The answer to the question of the origin of the universe has been sought after for many thousands of years. Ancient paganism suggested that the Sun God was somehow responsible. Later religions attributed the creation of the universe to a Supreme Being outside of the universe. Today, many of us think that science can explain it all, eliminating the need for a belief in God. But no explanation can be without philosophical and religious overtones . Modern physics says that the universe in which we live, originated or began to exist at some finite point in the past, yet the cause of its orig ...
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Ouch that hurts, stop it. I guess ignorance has no bounds. At least you proved I can predict the future, as I wallow in my ”authority.” LOL What a joke!   [End]
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You offer no evidence showing what he said is not true, and he’s doing the bashing. You guys crack me up. The scientific mind. lol   [End]
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”Saying ”proving evoltion beoyond a doubt” is absurd.” Yes, but only if there isn’t any evidence showing ”evolution in action” like you say. No one doubts ”bacteria or fruit flies” evolve, but they are still bacteria and fruit flies. Evolutionist’s seem to think this proves algae evolved into plants. Where’s this in action like you say? Where’s this link you talk about that shows this in action? There isn’t one scientist out of hundreds of thousands that have seen it in action. It should be easy to prove with all these lives dedicated to it. Just show me one example. If you can’t it means ...
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I’ve never said evolution is impossible. I’ve even said if evolution is proven beyond a doubt, I would admit I was wrong, but there is no scientific evidence. I did like stridar’s post on algae. I never said matter doesn’t exist. I’ve never said I believe in quantam physics. I have said science is coming closer to proving there is a God, both science and religion compliment each other, certain fields in science are going to have to be completely over hauled, and I believe there is a God and purpose behind everything. So maybe what you’re smoking is enough already.   [End]
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Science confirms what Christians have known all along. Science and religion compliment each other in the end. Levitation 101: Human Levitation By Bruce Smith, 2003 http://www.americanantigravity.com/levitation101.shtml This is a re-print of a draft for publication of ’Levitation 101: The BioPhysics of Human Levitation’ by by Bruce Smith, an independent writer living in the Olympia area of Washington State. Searching for the hard science of human levitation has been like walking a forest trail at night. From tree branches high above me, the hoot owls of mainstream science shout, “ ...
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Both of those posts are great as always Quinthius. I love your insight, examples, and distinctions you made. I agree, there is no ”imposed” purpose, and there is value in that. It isn’t a job, there are no right or wrong choices, and all this world and life is like a imagined play. One can just sit back and only watch the play if they like, and that’s true freedom like you said. This playground we live in is for us to experience, learn and grow from, but there is still an underlying purpose in it no matter how you pursue it.   [End]
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What you said to me is true, but there is purpose behind everything even if we don’t understand it right now. I believe anyway. Even in lives being ”needlessly” ended.   [End]
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What you said to me is true, but there is purpose behind everything even if we don’t understand it right now. I believe anyway. Even in lives being ”needlessly” ended.   [End]
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Humanity’s greatest fault is fear, because fear doesn’t exist except in the minds of those who don’t understand.   [End]
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Why write about it? Why come to curezone? Why work? Why get married? Why eat? Why have children? What’s the purpose? Because of our insecure minds and fears? There’s a purpose for everything.   [End]
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Hey moreless, Tis a good day wouldn’t you say? (Are you Irish?) You said: ”Because of the Acid Alkaline pH Balancing Principles and because of the Zero point energy plane and how Creation starts from the thought of the Creator from this Zero point energy plane, and because each species has specific Electrical Frequencies, or it is not that species, this means that it is ”IMPOSSIBLE” for a lower life form to evolve into a Higher Life form!” So what Acid Alkaline pH Balancing Principles are you talking about? I know different parts of the human body have different ph requirements. Are ...
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SEATTLE Monday, September 24, 2001--In an ironic greeting to the seven-part public television series ”Evolution” that begins tonight, 100 scientists have declared that they ”are skeptical of claims for the ability of random mutation and natural selection to account for the complexity of life.” The signers say, ”Careful examination of the evidence for Darwinian theory should be encouraged.” Discovery Institute, a Seattle-based public policy center, compiled the list of statement signers (attached). Among other things, the long list may help to answer the contention of designated spokespe ...
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”Science is progressive it disguards falacy and moves on,” I wonder because there are things science ignores, and knows aren’t true, and yet keeps moving on like it’s true. For instance: Nothing can exceed the speed of light right? It takes about 8 minutes for the sun’s light to reach Earth right? Now what would happen if the gravity from the sun suddenly stopped for some reason? The Earth would IMEDIATELY fly off into outer space. Yet they ignore this fact when they say nothing can exceed the speed of light. Gravity is faster than the speed of light. There are several examples of impor ...
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Now here’s some more questions to ponder, and thoughts to chew on. http://www.thefinaltheory.com/scienceflaws.html Light slows as it passes through water or glass, causing it to bend, but how can it return to light-speed on its own once it exits? We are told that objects are held forcefully to the planet by Newton’s gravitational force, but since the objects don’t move, no energy source is required to explain this according to science. Yet, as we all know, it certainly takes energy to push a heavy boulder even if it doesn’t move or to hold an o ...
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This means evolution is a tool or ”engine” of God, and ”homo sapien homo erectus and other homonids could” have existed at the same time as one was dying off, and everything is related from rocks to us. Everything is alive, comes from the same place, and made the same way. The whole universe is a living being, and is growing, and lives forever.   [End]
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Good post! You must have been reading my mind. See what you think. Protits are particles that measure .01 to .0001 microns in diameter (that is about four hundred thousandths to four millionths of an inch.) The average red blood cell on the other hand is about 7 microns in diameter. There is some point in space and time where these protits (the smallest of biological living particles in the physical realm) were begotten from something or somewhere else. Creationism implies a Creator, God, by definition created everything, not just us. Being everything that includes us, and makes ...
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Good post Adrift! Something besides attacks. All I can say is I was old enough to remember the landing and they were worried about sinking. I don’t remember the 50 feet of dust part though. Someone used the same argument about not enough dust and I basically said there could be other reasons for that. I’ve never bought into that argument. Good post though! Take Care, Gaylen   [End]
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So you can’t you can’t do any of the following I asked: ”Prove Christianity is a myth like you claim! Prove it’s nothing like you just said! Something being nothing should be easy to prove right? Debunk it with your knowledge, or facts! Present your evidence! Debate ANYTHING I’ve said with some degree of intelligence! Show you’re a higher life form than the bacteria you believe you evolved from!” Like I said: ”I already know you’ll do the same thing you’ve done EVERY SINGLE TIME.” Because that’s all you know how to do.   [End]
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How many in here believe dreams of the future are possible? Also how is it possible, and how many of you have had them?   [End]
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LOL! Your funny! Ok adrift you answer the questions! Explain the process how algae can develop a resistance to ”dryness for short periods of time.” Show me where science has observed this happening at any point in time. What evidence do you have to present? Then prove how a dry resistant algae can become a plant. There is NO proof showing that process in the article White Shark posted. Where is your proof? Surely science wouldn’t claim something like that if they didn’t have proof that can be observed and demonstrated scientifically in some way, shape, or form. They deal in facts right? I ...
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Name one thing you’ve ”debunked.” You’ve dimissed everything because you have no debate skills. Learn to know when to use a period or a comma so your posts don’t have to be deciphered by everyone who reads them. So prove what we say is a myth. Debunk something besides babble in the corner. Can’t do it huh? Well end of debate for you. You just let other people do the work for you so all you have to do is put people down? Nice! It’s called either lazy or stupid. Show someone in here you actually have some knowledge to present, or have some debating skills you can use, instead of looking lik ...
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So is that your goal? Make a Christian do something you can condemn them for, and think you’ve proved something like God doesn’t exist or something else like that? Unfortunatly it doen’t prove anything except I lowered myself to your standards of ”debate.” I knew that when I wrote it. My point was show you how stupid you look to everybody else every time you open your mouth. You don’t like it, so why would anybody else? You see how stupid it is, so why do you do it? I’m sure all the other evolutionists think you’re an idiot. You make them look bad too. You haven’t even presented 1 fact or ...
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White Shark, You seem to be the best at plant life in here, so I was wondering what makes dandelions produce lower flowers when you cut them off? You can run over them with a lawn mower until they produce flowers so low to the ground a lawn mower can’t cut them off any more. To me it seems like there would have to be an intelligence behind it. It would seem they would have to go through a process of thinking, ”well that flower was too high, so I’d better make smaller stems so my flowers won’t get cut off next time.” What is science’s explanation for this? Just evolution? That doesn’t expl ...
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Speaking of prayer I tought I’d post this about prayer. Not saying I do it all the time. For those who say I posted this in the wrong forum, prayer is another proof of God. Remember, even if prayer does not change God, it very often effects great and lasting changes in the one who prays in faith and confident expectation. Prayer has been the ancestor of much peace of mind, cheerfulness, calmness, courage, self-mastery, and fair-mindedness in the men and women of the evolving races. If you truly desire to overcome the habit of criticizing some friend, the quickest and surest way of ...
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Yes the theory is interesting White Shark, but... ;-) there are lots of still unanswered questions, and no proof to answer them. They started: ”In the water, algae were supported. Every cell had contact with the ocean, which brought water and nourishment that could be absorbed through the cell wall. Reproduction was simple: algae released their eggs and sperm cells into the water where they could meet and form tough little capsules called zoospores. These zoospores could then float in the ocean and find new places to live. On land, all this changed. Algae cast up on the sea shore or t ...
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So, still no facts to back up anything you’ve ever said in here yet? Babble, babble, babble.   [End]
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Interesting. I grew up in a christian family too and rebeled from teenage to 40 or so switching between agnostic and atheist. It’s good to hear all possibilities are on the plate with you. I’m really against the young earth and just because answers too. Take Care Aclays! Gaylen   [End]
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adrift, You only seem to have the ability to puke and fall in it. ”goldegg you said you are not here to debate ,then why are you here?” I never said that, can you read? ”They have no facts to support a debate so they are little more then antagonists , like you! ” You’re such a hypocrite, which you can’t debate. Show me one post you’ve done that presented ANY fact. You haven’t even done one. You avoid the subject, and just throw in your stupid, twisted view of your world no one else in the forum shares with you. Not even other atheists. ”I cant realy see anything but a real stup ...
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Hey White Shark, i forgot to thank you for the link. At least I know the theory now. Take Care, Gaylen   [End]
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adrift, have you ever heard of the word hypocrite? You say this about me, and I’ve never said anything even close to that belittling and stupid as what you just said there. You said to me: ”so your just here to belittle those who dont agree with you? Big mouths with nothing to say!” Yet you just did what you accused me of. It’s called HYPOCRITE! I don’t mind you saying stupid things like that to me, but when you attack others like you just did, I will reveal the real you for all to see. You are one main reason evolution can’t be true. You’re the living proof mutation can only form lo ...
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LOL! This is one thing we both couldn’t possibly agree on any more adrift! (silly sealion)LOL! Sorry sealion I expected more out of you. Take Care, Gaylen   [End]
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Well that was about the most silly argument I’ve ever read.   [End]
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Aclays, I first want to say thanks for being understanding. It’s nice to talk to someone who’s wisdom is evident. You’re right there is info. for and against the Bible, just like evolution. I do defend the Bible to certain extent, but I believe the teachings from the book of Urantia just as much if not more than the Bible. http://www.urantia.org/papers/toc.html#PARTI It’s the most extensive book ever written on God, Earth, and Jesus. It includes evolution but not like science theorizes, and is why I believe in both to certain extents. So I do defend the Bible some, but defend (if that’s ...
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I pick my battles and explaining and defending the Bible to an atheist is not on my list. All I said was God didn’t create everything. Computers and cars are on the same list of who created hell. Take Care Aclays, Gaylen   [End]
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What’s the point of explaining it to an atheist?   [End]
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If science didn’t have the same view they claim creationists do, evolution wouldn’t be taught in schools as fact. Because it isn’t. It’s only an assumtion made by the discovery of a sequence written about long ago. That’s usually all science does is confirm the obvious. Then when they find something new, they usually screw it up several times until they get it right. Ahhh living in the age of science. Take Care, Gaylen   [End]
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Or here either I believe. Nothing against you SS.   [End]
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aclays you don’t even understand the point he was trying to make, so how can you claim to be rational in your understanding of things you see & the Bible? No where in the Bible does it say God created hell. Take Care, Gaylen   [End]
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You know #61457, you are just as ”unreasonable” with your double standards. You condemn religious people for having the same standards you do. You won’t believe in God until you see God. Yet we are the one’s who are ”unreasonable” & wrong. That’s the kind of ”mentality” most atheists use. Like you said ”Whats the sense of it! lol! Might as well talk to a wall!” You also condemn me for using the same old argument, when evolutionists like you keep presenting the same old ”evidence.” Do you expect something to change when you keep doing the same thing? Get real. You also believe in atoms (w ...
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Show me the process of how one life form evolved into another life form. For instance how the First multicellular animals evolved into Shell-bearing animals. This would have to be done in a lab, and repeated and verified by others. That is what science is. The most undeniable proof would be to show how these things evolved into plants. Notice they don’t include plants in their time line? Yet if their theory is correct ”Complex (eucaryotic cells)” would have to evolved into plants and ”Shel-bearing animals” between ”670 million years” ago to ”540 million years” ago. They said ”Multicell ...
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Yeah that’s a new combination. Evolution and aliens. But then again no scientific proof just like evolution and religion. Also where did aliens come from? Other aliens? Some day science will prove evolution is 1/2 right and the rest is from some source that isn’t physical, including aliens. You must admit your theory requires a great leap of faith too right? Take Care, Gaylen   [End]
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The argument isn’t absurd, because no scientific article has ever proved the evolution theory is true, you have to admit it if you’re a reasonable person like you imply. My argument is no worse than evolutionists beating the same old drum too. Saying the same thing over and over is useless for both sides, I agree. I think it’s time everyone admits neither side can really prove their point beyond a shadow of a doubt using physical proof. That’s the reasonable conclusion for everyone in here. They both require faith in something that can’t be proven scientifically. By the way, gravity can b ...
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They siad: ”Today, many of the gaps in the paleontological record have been filled by the research of paleontologists. Hundreds of thousands of fossil organisms, found in well-dated rock sequences, represent successions of forms through time and manifest many evolutionary transitions. As mentioned earlier, microbial life of the simplest type was already in existence 3.5 billion years ago. The oldest evidence of more complex organisms (that is, eucaryotic cells, which are more complex than bacteria) has been discovered in fossils sealed in rocks approximately 2 billion years old. Multicellu ...
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Yep, being the creator of time and space God is beyond it all. Good Post SS!   [End]
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I’m not sure what you meant for sure, but there are times believers and non-believers feel ”at one,” or a bond with the universe, Earth, ocean, mountain, lake, or with others, or all of humanity. It’s that spark of Spirit, or God that’s alive in each of us that jumps up at different times in everyone’s lives. There are many ways to ignite this spark too. The goal is to take that spark and start up the motor that’s waiting to run in each of us. Imagine the possibilities. Take Care, Gaylen   [End]
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Yep, I’m leaning towards the black hole theory, because I try to stay away but keep getting sucked back in. Take Care!   [End]
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SS, It seems to me your definition of ”seek” requires belief in, or the possibility, or wishing in the existance of God to find the truth. A person should be able to find truth no matter where they look, and no matter what they believe shouldn’t they? I think MrCootie has a point. Your asking him to believe in or wish God exists to find truth, may not be the way for him to find it. Is that really a requirement to find truth? A person should be able to look anywhere and with what ever ”belief set” and still wind up at the same truth, right? I think the only requirement is desire, and is w ...
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”The study of Science and the earth’s history has been pulled in and tainted by religion” That might be true, science doesn’t need any more compitition in the tainting business. ”God gave them the gift of life and they blow it by focusing on what came before and after life.” This could be true too. Too many people live in the past and future to enjoy the present. Doesn’t matter what you believe. Saying that about any one group is denying the truth in itself. Who is able to condemn another? Nice seeing you again Cootie Man! Been a while. Take Care, Gaylen   [End]
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Man I wish I could word things like you do. Good posts!   [End]
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I’m in between everybody. God is behind it all, and evolution is one of Gods tools. The basic concepts from both sides of the fence are true, the rest is the dogma of man on each side of the fence.   [End]
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”If you can believe in one creator I can believe in infinite. OK?” Ok, just like I can believe any mass other than a gas cloud is a planet of some kind. ”Sudenly you’re saying what scientist say?” Not suddenly. In case you can’t remember, I have been saying it, and just did in another post to those who read the Bible. I just don’t believe all of it blindly like you. ”Well i would but somehow he’s non existent.” And you have proof God is non-existent? Evolution doesn’t require blind faith? Where are the missing links then. Like you said, just believe no questions asked. I DO ...
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This isn’t just for you Jane, it’s for ALL believers. Have you ever noticed in verse 3 it says: ”3 And God said, ”Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light ”day,” and the darkness he called ”night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.” So there was ”light” and God called the light ”day,” and the darkness ”night” on the ”first day.” Then in verse 14 it says: ”14 And God said, ”Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the nig ...
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What gets me is how do evolutionists believe some bacteria, or a fish, reptile, bird, ape, or any moving creature evolved into a plant at some point? That is the biggest joke in the world! Only a fool could believe that.   [End]
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”It’s proven that we nor other living things can live on the conditions of other planets that we know about.” Once again WRONG. Show me the evidence to prove there is no life on Europa. Don’t you realize they are planning a flight to there because they believe there could be life there? ”The universe is infintie.” How so? Scientists say there are 100 billion Solar Systems in each Galaxy, and 100 billion Galaxies. It doesn’t sound infinite to me. At least according to science. ”Why would God create so many useless galexies?” Ask him. ”And btw the moon has mountains, canyons, ...
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Thank You #61984! At least you admit the truth no matter what it is! Something most evolutionists and Christians can’t do.   [End]
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The point I was trying to show you is there is very little difference between you and Christians. You believe in something that can’t be proven. You seem to think you’ve proven evolution, but you haven’t. Show me just one link from what ever site, that shows what the next life form was after bacteria, that evolution says was the frist life form. Can this link show what processes were involved in this leap from life form to life form, and how long it took for this to happen? Face it there is no link, no book, and no experiment that can be done to show evolution is true. NONE. If you’ve re ...
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”Some guy spent a lot of time with his Encyclopedia Britannica and took whatever he wanted out to make his argument.” And what about all the evolutionists that disagree with evolution now? And don’t evolutionists do the same thing? They take a bunch of fossils and say, well we must have come from bacteria, even though they have MANY missing links between those two points. Yet we are expected to believe it because it’s ”scientific evidence.” Circumstantial evidence ”comes to mind.” ”But because the Bible is true, literalists cannot have even one thing wrong or the entire house of cards ...
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The Experts Say What? "Nobel Prize winner Dr. Francis Crick (co-discoverer of one of the most important discoveries of 20th century biology) arrived at the theory that life could never have evolved by chance on planet earth." What do thousands of scientists believe about creation and evolution? In 1981, the British Museum of Natural History in London, England, to mark its one hundredth anniversary, opened a new exhibit on evolution. As one entered the exhibition hall, one saw a notice in flickering lights: "Have you ever wondered why there are so many di ...
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Ape-Man  Australopithecus is one of the best-known ape-man fossil creatures. Evolutionists believe the creature walked upright and showed many characteristics intermediate between ape and man. The Encyclopedia Britannica, taking an evolutionary viewpoint, describes: “Many creatures intermediate between living apes and humans have been found as fossils. Australopithecus, a hominid that lived 3,000,000 or 4,000,000 years ago, had an upright human stance but a cranial capacity of less than 500 cubic centimeters — comparable to that of a gorilla or chimpanzee and just about one-third that ...
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Well that didn’t turn out like I wanted, and I apparently found the max. length on posts. There’s a little bit more if anybody wants it.   [End]
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The Experts Say What? ”Nobel Prize winner Dr. Francis Crick (co-discoverer of one of the most important discoveries of 20th century biology) arrived at the theory that life could never have evolved by chance on planet earth.” What do thousands of scientists believe about creation and evolution? In 1981, the British Museum of Natural History in London, England, to mark its one hundredth anniversary, opened a new exhibit on evolution. As one entered the exhibition hall, one saw a notice in flickering lights: ”Have you ever wondered why there are so many different k ...
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Sounds like you experienced something. Only you know what for sure. I’m sure it was good though! It’s funny you should bring up the NDE’s in here. No one ever talks about them from either side of the fence in here, and I just wrote a post including that subject the same day you posted this. I must have been preparing the way for you. ;-) No one seems to be able to argue any of my points so far except for one Christian, and I think I gave him the answer to his question. I believe evolution and creationism are the two halfs to the whole picture, and they are both true to some extent. So I’ ...
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The first two kids have been born into an experimental herd of goats with a transplanted human gene in Belarus, the head of a Russian-Belarussian transgenic research project said on Monday. Alexander Budevich who is also a staff member of the Belarussian Cattle Breeding Research Institute said the kids “do not show any signs of ailment or abnormal development. Yet scientists must still verify that the kids are transgenic,” Interfax news agency quoted him as saying. Russian genetics experts will come to the Belarussian institute on Tuesday to take samples of skin from the kid’s ear fo ...
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Yeah I’ve read that one before. That one is a good one though. I think I read another one that might have been even better at that site. Anyway, I had a simular experience in a dream one time. It wasn’t just like that, but had a lot of simular things in it. God came to me like an ocean wave and went right through me in every cell and filled my whole body with the most wonderful love. I felt it for three days afterwards, a little less each day. I learned other things, but won’t get into it here. But reading stories like that makes me wonder if God appears to you like you want God to. I wo ...
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”if a day actually meant a 1,000 years the grass would have died from lack of sun.” You seem to forget there was light before God created the sun. Check it out. Now, what was that light? I knew the rest was coming from Christians. Typical. Anyway, that point was for evolutionists who think we die and push up daisies. And you’re right about dna. I forgot to mention that one to the evolutionists, but I know they’ve heard that one before. Take Care #61749, Gaylen   [End]
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Why don’t people from both sides of this debate see that neither side is complete with out the other? Neither side can be denied logically. They both need each other to be complete. The Creation Side On the creation side, saying evolution is impossible means the Bible is wrong, so anything isn’t possible. Other things in the Bible can be proven wrong, so how do we know the “seven day creation” is true? The Bible says things like, in the day of David, or in the day of the Romans. In these cases the word “day” simply means during that time, or for that period of time. A “day can either b ...
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The point is not all ”creationists” say ”because God” says, just like not all evolutionists say ”because science” says. A lot from both sides of the fence may say these things, but anyone who says ”every single” is stereotyping and either a fool, which I didn’t think you were, or mistakenly wrote it. So which is the case for you? Also which person in here has claimed to be 100% right?   [End]
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”Every single answer I ever get from Christians is because God... I’m glad that’s a good enough explanation for you, but it really dosen’t do anything for me, let alone prove anything.” Atalanta, I know you’re smarter than that. Substitute Christians for evolutionists and God for science and re-read what you wrote. Pretty dumb huh? I don’t think I’ve seen anyone in here say either version. Yet it’s ”every single” one for you? Like you said that don’t ”prove anything.” (Because God told me.) ;-)   [End]
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Yeah that’s all you could do with that post. Ridicule. LOL! No I’m not, you are, except more of it. :-(   [End]
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That was the best post I’ve ever seen you write Tman.   [End]
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Ok let me put it in these terms. Where did God come from? Weather you believe in God or a subatomic particle that created the universe. There has to be a uncaused cause that started everything. I say it’s God. You say it’s a subatomic particle. So God didn’t come from any where. God always has been. God is beyond time and space. This means God created time and space. So God didn’t come from any where, at any time. God created those things, so they don’t exist for God. Only we use time and space, and are created. Did he create himself out of ”nothingness”? No, God wasn’t created. God ...
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I’m just stating what I’d like to see. None of it is going to happen anyway. But I still think the same way. I do agree a teenage conventional doctor might be scary, but probably no worse than what we have now. I think quit a few people in here would probably know more than conventional doctors. I would want alternative treatments taught, and it doesn’t take too much to do them. What I described before wasn’t MY ideal school. It was a compromise I think more people might agree to. Take Care Atalanta, Gaylen   [End]
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Ok, all I can say is you got the wrong message from the church, and I don’t blame you for that. The church is pretty screwed up, especially Catholics among a few others. I respect your views though! Take Care Atalanta, Gaylen   [End]
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You’re right it doesn’t prove creation. But it is part of the book of creation. If the only goal in here is to prove or disprove, then I’m sorry for being off subject. Take Care, Gaylen   [End]
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I’m against the state and church uniting as one entity, yes. But just because the state provides money to schools doesn’t mean they control it, or are not seperate. The schools should still be able to teach what they want, without it meaning the state and church aren’t seperate. The court has it wrong there I think. What I meant by a trade, was everyone should come out of highschool being a carpenter, nurse, doctor, evolutionist, priest, teacher, or electrician for instance. They should be able to walk out of there with a trade and get a job. The junk they teach is too general, nonspecifi ...
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Ok think about this. No matter what you believe there has to be something that was uncreated to start everything. The only question is was it a sub-atomic particle that made everything in the universe or God. Now can a sub-atomice particle create itself? Can anything physical create itself? Science says nothing physical can create itself. I agree. Man has never created anything new. Man has always taken what was there already here and changed it some how. No energy can create itself either, or we’d have free energy. Your pocket book will tell you that is true. The whole universe is an eff ...
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Personally I think both should be taught. But it shouldn’t be the convention message from either side. Also I think a person should have a trade by the time they get out of high school. Take Care, Gaylen   [End]
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I don’t know if you disagree with the leap in science that’s going to happen, or that science is silliness relitively to God. All I can say is the first is happening right before your eyes with the science you praise. Look into it. The second can be proven by the same method, but it’s in your heart. Not in a microscope, scale, or camera. Take Care Atalanta, Gaylen   [End]
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Yes I believe life could evolve over time. Anything is possible. It doesn’t effect my relation with God, so I’m totally fine with it. It’s just that evolution can’t be proven and I’m just debating. I didn’t say the grand canyon wasn’t created by God. Erosion is one of God’s processes. Yes what you said makes sense, and could be a possibility I think. No I can’t show you proof of God, but you can if you try. Science can show you there is something more than the physical universe that we think though. Ok, if you aren’t totally sold on evolution why don’t you investigate God? F ...
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