From the article what is at issue is not whether there will be a ”rapture” rather it mentions a pre-tribulation rapture, that is most likely false as it is never stated as such. It is speculation by Irving, Darby and then Scofield. The Dispensational Origins of Modern Premillennialism and John Nelson Darby http://www.sullivan-county.com/news/cathouse/darby.htm Today, dispensationalism is in a theological turmoil, having declined sharply since the 1970’s because of mounting criticism. Grenz notes, ”Dispensationalism today is in a state of fluidity. No longer are the rigid distinctive ...
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The major flaw in your theory is that the Scriptures were originally written to be read by the priests and the people could not even read or write. Now that the majority of the population is literate, that is not the case, So if essentially anyone can read the scriptures it cannot have the said power to rule the discerning mind. If one is ignorant and takes what the supposed authorities that distort at face value, then one is within their control. On the other hand if one is not ignorant of the philosophical underpinnings of the scriptures and comes to understand its meaning and use it as ...
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”Its going to be a very interesting couple of years coming up.” Speaking on the Kevin Barrett show yesterday, Hart said he thought the 9/11 attack probably started as a Muslim operation headed up by Osama Bin Laden but that the plot was subsequently hijacked and carried out by Mossad agents in collusion with elements of the CIA, adding that since its formation, Israel has penetrated every Arab government and terrorist organization. “My guess is that at an early point they said to the bad guys in the CIA – hey this operation’s running what do we do, and the zionists and the neo-cons s ...
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I thought you were all about being mature?   [End]
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The Obama administration in a brief to the Supreme Court has backed the Vatican’s claim of immunity from lawsuits arising from cases of sexua| abuse by priests in the United States. The Supreme Court is considering an appeal by the Vatican of an appellate court ruling that lifted its immunity in the case of an alleged pedophile priest from Oregon. In a filing on Friday, the solicitor general’s office argued that the Ninth Circuit court of appeals erred in allowing the lawsuit brought by a man who claims he was sexually abused in the 1960s by the Oregon priest. http://www.breitbar ...
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WOW! What an amazing argument. aka SPAM   [End]
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It all goes back to the Kabbalah. Law, politics, and morality in Judaism By Michael Walzer http://books.google.com/books?id=DoITqJJP42YC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Law,+politics,+and+morality+in+Judaism&cd=1#v=onepage&q&f=false   [End]
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”The one thing you tend to miss though is that christianity is part of that design. Take a wider view.” No kidding! Especially when people distort its true intention that is the point. And yer doing a bang-up job backing up those that do by affirming their belief.   [End]
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The technocrats that work to socially engineer through various media and compliant organizations, utilize every technique they possibly can. That includes manufacturing a perceived apocalypse, fake anti-christs, phony peace and safety, and false flags that start wars and rumors of war. It’s all based on a synthesis of the theories of Hegel, Aristotle,Plato, etc. The overarching term is Communitarianism. It is a synthesis of Communism and Capitalism as per the Hegelian dialectic. Communitarianism http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/communitarianism/index.html What the Communitari ...
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Calling me a coward you are...Spam regards the contents of the message, which IC has posted and you have backed up on many an occasion. I leave it to you to figure out your shortcomings. Why don’t you put up or shut up, or are you just going to call me another name or mimmick my responses?   [End]
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I am saying they have the right to posit their statement. Just like you have that right even though many of your messages do not relate directly to this forum.   [End]
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Excellent quotes there;)   [End]
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Do you?   [End]
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Looks to me like you are scrapping the bottom of the barrel on this response.   [End]
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God has characteristics according to the Bible because that is how humans explain things. The human aspects that you attribute to God are like those of Psuedo-Christians that go to mega-churches. The article is what mentioned intelligent design, I merely was reflecting what the article was stating. Absolutely the people that wrote the book were scientists, though they probably didn’t have degrees which you seem to think are necessary for one to be a scientist. Science is systematic knowledge and that knowledge was encoded in the Books of the Bible.   [End]
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You know the imagery– millions of Christians around the world have spontaneously disappeared - where did they go? Some say aliens, others terrorists. Now airplanes are plummeting to destruction, trains derailing, cars crashing, nuclear power plants are melting down and dumbfounded people staggering around in confusion looking for their children… Who unleashed this insanity on mankind? My brother, who is an atheist, and I were watching TBN a while back and happened upon these images from Kirk Cameron’s blockbuster film, Left Behind. There were no shortages of side-splitting laughs. Th ...
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So in a sense this affirms intelligent design? ”Synthetic biology of the sort pursued by Venter’s team involves the intelligent design of life. For many of us, this is not a problem.” here is another article... That work triggered a firestorm of criticism over its potential dangers, though the group’s leader, Eckard Wimmer, says that his goal is to make attenuated viruses for vaccines and that he’s making fast progress. Read more: http://www.philly.com/inquirer/front_page/20100521_First_lab-created_organism_raises_ethical_questions.html#ixzz0onAB95g7 This is supposedly go ...
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More limited viewing from the guy that is supposed to believe in infinite potential.   [End]
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Is this the loosh you speak of? 1. New Age term applied to energy produced by human beings that other entities use to feed from. 2. It is also used to refer to the energy that is produced by suffering that entities feed. or was it this 4. When someone tells a joke that is extremly crap and the crickets are vivid. or how about this.. 5. The name used best to describe a prepubescent, very short male. A very vulgar term.   [End]
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All these mega-churches are 501c3 compliant which means they are essentially under the jurisdiction of the Federal Government.   [End]
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You constantly spew the same rhetoric and distortions that they reiterate as if that was really Christian, that is your shared meaning and definition of Christianity that you constantly put forward.   [End]
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Spud, you should mention it on the forums where it is not relevant, not here, because that is irrelevant. Unfortunately we cannot cross post to the debate forums so posting to multiple lists individually is the only recourse. Were the messages sent indiscriminately?   [End]
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”In relation to (bewnyfur) I find him/her constantly on Spuds back which to me indicates to me that (bewnyfur) ”APPEARS to be trolling”, (read my post) properly.” Trolling implies that someone is baiting their messages, not responding to distortion. If anyone has been trolling it has been you and IC. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29   [End]
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What is ironic is the ignorance of your posts, all one need to do is check the past messages.   [End]
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”Where, AustinM, have I supported spamming, where is your evidence? ” In the context of this thread all one must do is look for a thread in this forum started by IC and then read the message by Spud that follows and the ”spamming” support is evident.   [End]
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It mentions God in the message. That means it is relevant. Perhaps you should desist your ignorant comments.   [End]
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All it comes down to, is that the truth will be the guiding principle of government. And the great equalizer of the injustice of man that behaves like a beast and therefore should be subdued, in one way or another. The article in question contains conjecture, and makes assumptions which I( know for a fact to be untrue. The part about starving the govertnment through taz cuts is especially telling as I doubt the FED are being starved afterall they are the FED. As far as plundering the earth goes, this is against the mandate to subdue, for by its very implication to subdue entails u ...
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yeah! Huffington post, a bastion of Christianity.   [End]
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”Some christians obviously do have a different view of money and wealth, than you do bewnyfur, (does this mean you are a christian today, or are you just arguing for christians? I am asking because, whether you see yourself as a christian, or not, changes).” Not sure where you came up with this view from, but really it is irrelevant to the facts of what the Bible states. ”It seems to be a matter, again, of interpretation of the bible.” Yes it does and it is interesting that you seem to share your meaning of the Bible with the money grubbing tele-evangelists, and war-monger politic ...
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”You have missed the point, your god comes from a book.” Wrong! God is explained in the Bible, God does not come from the Bible. ”A book that takes events from history, such as ”The ten plagues” (natural phenomena), edits it, gives it a billing in ”Exodus” (let my people go) and expect it’s reader to believe such garbage.” Hah! It seems your grasp of the Biblical text is poor. ”You can hone until the cows come home my friend but if you cannot make your point in the first instant then one suspects lack of substance.” Oh yeah? Could you make your statement a little clearer, I ...
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OK here is a genuine question in response. Is life physical? Is thinking physical? Is energy physical?   [End]
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What is your definition of reality? That is a genuine question. I have asked many other questions which you evidently choose to think are not genuine.   [End]
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NO, it’s not how Christians view money. All it takes is a quick search of the Bible, in order to figure that out.... ”Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, because God has said, ”Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you.”” ”1This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 2A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 3Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covet ...
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”As for your false accusations, as I’ve asked before, and you have not answered, if you are going to make accusations of my supporting spam, put up your evidence.” As far as the message goes I found it to be kind of funny, it really reminded me of the silly messages that IC posts and you back up with affirming comments. The message was relevant to this forum, by its very content.   [End]
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Good call Austin, It is the good ole double standard.   [End]
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Honesty essentially does not exist with liquid truth, that is the problem. Look up the definition my friend. You guys belly ache over someone being pedantic and trying to narrow the definition and meaning, when that is the very nature of honesty. Imagine that the definition of a word as a point. When you want to sharpen a point what do you do... you HONE the point, you make it sharper, you make the point more narrow. When that point has reached its sharpest, that is when it is HONEst. You cannot have a definition that is liquid and sharp at the same time can you? ”To show how inte ...
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Your arguments have achieved nothing because of your liquid truth perception. They lack meaning because the meaning can change whenever you decide to change the definition of a word. You are the one that is spinning a vortex of liquid truth. I am trying to get you to be more precise, and find out what you truly mean. However this is proving to be exceedingly difficult since you either ignore my queries or act like there is no reason I am making the effort to find what you actually mean. If you didn’t play hide the meaning with your liquid truth and double standard on contradiction, all of ...
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Whatever you say Hunter. The fact is that Your messages have been flip flopping like a fish out of water for a long time. Your analysis is consistently lacking. Since there are those that can’t address the message and can merely ignore any issues raised, it exemplifies the denial of logic as all the responses are essentially empty.   [End]
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LOL! If you are just going to use the term ”spin” as your reply then that is what you will perceive. I consider your messages to be responses not spin regardless of their content. If we can’t speak of the details, if we ignore the subtle definitions of our communications then the point is rather dull and is not honest.   [End]
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”I have been through this argument with bewnyfur before and just couldn’t be bothered to try and explain all over again. I do get tired of pedantic word games, they achieve very little in learning or understanding.” Such is the nature of contradictions. Liquid truth achieves very little in meaning, get it straight. contradiction late 14c., from L. contradictionem, from contradicere, in classical L. contra dicere ”to speak against,” from contra ”against” + dicere ”to speak” (see diction). ”I see religion as distinctly different to spirituality, and I think that it is possible to a ...
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”You are looking at it from a ”christian” standpoint that all spirituality is a connection with god, a ”biblical god” if you wish, but that’s because of your attachment to your religious belief.” What Christian standpoint are you speaking of? You don’t seem to know what you are talking about. I look at it from a multi-philosophical integrated standpoint. I explain it as Christian, because that is what this forum is about. My only religious belief of importance to this forum is James 1:27. All power is in the hands of God, That is why God is explained as OMNI-POTENT...ALL POWER. All per ...
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LOL! Contradiction.   [End]
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The Seminole County Sheriff’s Office bomb squad couldn’t figure out what was inside even after the box was X-rayed. So, deputies blew it up. ”It didn’t look normal,” sheriff’s spokeswoman Kim Cannaday said. ”That’s all we knew.” The result: More than $2,500 in paper money was turned into confetti. Four hundred ninety-eight rolled silver dollars remained intact, Cannaday said. The church won’t be out any money, though, because the U.S. Treasury will replaced damaged paper money, she said. The bills were estimated to be worth $2,500 to $2,700. The silver dollars may be worth more ...
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”Hunter I really do understand what you are saying, as this is how I also sense things. I call this spiritual belonging universal energy. Unlike a manmade god, it is just something that is there, it has no character, no form, it asks nothing of you, you do not pray to it.” This statement is contradictory, energy has a characteristic of power. God in the Bible is not manmade, God is perceived by the vital force(spirit) in us all. That concept is explained in the Bible. And the God in the Bible is explained as having no known physical form. Prayer....Do you think about it? Do you contemp ...
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BRITAIN appears to be evolving into the first modern soft totalitarian state. As a sometime teacher of political science and international law, I do not use the term totalitarian loosely. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/opinion/thought-police-muscle-up-in-britain/story-e6frg6zo-1225700363959 A 10-year-old child was arrested and brought before a judge, for having allegedly called an 11-year-old boya ”Paki” and ”bin Laden” during a playground argument at a primary school (the other boy had called him a skunk and a Teletubby). When it reached the court the case had cost taxpayers ...
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”I realise that is how you view christianity bewnyfur, but again, this is not how others view it. This does not make your view wrong, nor does it make the view of others wrong.” Well regardless that is what it says in the Bible. Not everyone that is a scientist has the same conception of what science actually is either. That doesn’t change the fact that science is based on certain principles, which are immutable. If a person says they follow what the Bible says and then does not follow what the Bible says that is wrong. This is why people who are said to be fundamentalists are in act ...
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What is happening to freedom of speech? A Christian street preacher has been arrested and charged with a public-order offence after saying that homosexuality was sinful. Dale Mcalpine was handing out leaflets to shoppers when he told a passer-by and a gay police community support officer that, as a Christian, he believed homosexuality was one of a number of sins that go against the word of God. Mr Mcalpine said that he did not repeat his remarks on homosexuality when he preached from the top of a stepladder after his leafleting. But he has been told that police officers are al ...
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There are many Government buildings in the western Hemisphere that are essentially temples. If this is the case, how can there truly be a separation of Church and state? The Manitoba Legislative Building http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=625   [End]
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lets just keep this to Christianity since that is what this forum is about. ”I realise that this is not ’your’ view, but unfortunately ’your’ view is not shared by the religions of christianity ” ”Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.” That is pure Christian religion.   [End]
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”I do not see women as less than men, but this is how the christian and islamic religions view women.” Like I said that is your limited view of Christianity and Islam, not mine. Denominational religious sects within those religions do try to use the scriptures to control, but that is their own folly. The spirit of oppressed women is the equalizer that is the inevitable downfall of such organizations. The truth will prevail. ”The wealth of the wise is their crown, but the folly of fools yields folly.”   [End]
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”This was only ever done to directly mirror back the initial attack as a way to show the energy boom-a-rang. In other words it was a wind blowing debris back at the original insulter. You have been that many times. It has been pointed out by many posters.” Nobody else made a post toward you before you started on this tirade. So this statement is a lie. And its not the first time you entered into a thread with immediate ridiculous statements. Your messages are baited with hateful rhetoric that is patently anti-christian. The idea put forward that you are exploring is ludicrous.   [End]
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playin the victim, he was talking about your infinite potential theory and your comment, you write about it all the time, so that was not personal was it. From my perception there was not any information exploration, it was all conjecture.   [End]
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Woman and men are not physically equal generally speaking. That is the truth. Many of the scriptures MM referred to have to do with the culture of the time. Women and men are spiritually equal from my understanding of the Bible. Fact is men physically dominate human society on this planet, that is the truth. You view it as women being less than men, that is your limited view. I choose to see women as being different than men, not less in any way. Man and woman are essential to each other. They are one in marriage. ”The husband must fulfill his duty to his wife, and likewise a ...
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that doesn’t even make sense.   [End]
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The general jest of your messages have been contrary to your statement. Your messages continue to project insecurities regarding comprehension of the said subject of this forum and the victim-hood you have attached to the concept in your messages. The closed minded projections seem to continue into infinity. The subject of your message displays this. If you really desired discussion you wouldn’t preface your messages with such false statements.   [End]
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From your lack of responses to my questions, you seem to be a pro in that endeavor.   [End]
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Why don’t you just continue to refer to me as you will.   [End]
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LOL! Actually I did think it was a silly video. But if thats what you think I guess I should continue to use the term anti-christian as it fits the bill.   [End]
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When you use degrading terms, what do you expect? Anti-christian is the stance you have taken on this forum, and then you make contradictory comments about victim hood while playing the victim.   [End]
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What view are you speaking of? How is it entirely different?   [End]
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