Thanks very much for the advice. I am not sure that I have even heard of the products that you talk about. I don't think that they have them here in Australia. But I guess that we have something similar. I suppose that like you, are so sick and tired of taking something "to make you go" I just want to go on my own. It just doesn't seem to be happening though? I will look at the info and I thank you. I think that this is just a great website! I will be on it everyday now I guess?