54423 in reference to your links- I am not sure what all this has to do with the subject but I read as much as I could . In the counterfeit sections I witnessed much accuracy and about divisions among people which I do think is wrong but I got some big checks on Baptism and who Jesus died for etc....The total immersion was a sign of the old self dying to the world and the whole self or new self ressurecting to new life. I believe that is where the power of God is to live the resurrected life and I don't like his downplay on that it is very deceptive to me. This is just another example to me that I see in the Institutional church that the whole gospel isn't being preached and mainly taught for people to understand and it gives way to deception. Its like having part of the truth while other parts are basically ignore or worse ,taught as not important.