i usually just read the posts and don't participate in the forum, but i feel i should share this info with you. i've done 2 flushes to date. my first flush was a rough experience,and wasn't one of the suggested flushes at this website. i decided to do the clark method the second time and it was a lot easier to handle than the first one. so here's my experience. after my first flush, i could still "feel" my liver and was concerned that i didn't finish the job all the way. i'm on dr. shultz' mailing list as i've ordered his products before. i decided to take some liver herbs, and i would do his liver flush drink. i put 1 cup apple juice, 1 cup of water, 1 tablespoon of olive oil and put in a peice of fresh ginger (from the grocery store) about the size of my thumb into a blender. i drank it down, and about in 1/2 hour i was running to the bathroom with the same urgency as with epsom salts. mind you, i did this 4-5 days after my flush. there were stones in the toilet. perhaps the fresh ginger dilates the bile ducts too. he doesn't use epsom salts at all. i'm new to flushing, so i can't say for sure, maybe somebody out there can comment. next flush i'm going to use the ginger in place of the last dose of epsom salts and see what happens. hope this helps.