I started getting the seedy things while just taking cheyenne! Thats when I decided to do DR Schuzies IF#1 and I bought a Zapper so between all that I started getting all kinds of undescribables! And of course the full sized big ones! I believe the seeds where small tiny liver flukes! There where much plainer then the big ones but just under a magnifying glass I could see there little tenticles or their sucking devices it was gross! Now I get parasites from the pottassium broth from DRSchulzies forum and from the salt water brine ! To strong a die off for me on the salt water brine! I just eat a couple of grains of Sea Salt under my tongue now! When will I stop expelling parasite is what I want to know or I am waiting for!