Re: You accuse ME of hate????
>>A texan huh? <<
Never said that JV...only that I happened to be living there when I got saved 24 years ago - sorry, can't help you out with the status of the Cowboys or the Rockets - haven't lived there in over 14 years.
>>Ask Mo4 whether you come across as "trying to get at the truth" or whether you come across as judgemental and accusatory. Let her be the judge. If she says you are merely looking for truth then I will appologise and retract my statement.<<
I have asked...on several occasions. All I come away with is that it is all a lie...but, people are dying - I have asked for answers...they seem to be hard to come by. And I don't have time to research website links. Maybe you can enlighten me?
>>I came to these forums really knowing little about Islam...That certainly shows Eileen.<<
I never claimed to have the 'knowledge' like some other posters on this forum - I only posted credible articles about the persecution of Christians by declared Muslims in predominantly Muslim countries...I don't understand your problem with this.
>>Contradiction between what is preached and what is practiced is the difference between a religion (Islam or Christianity) and human beings. Human beings commit evil acts - there's no denying that. But religions (at least no religion I know of) do not command people to commit evil acts. If you don't understand the difference between the two then you don't understand much.<<
I understand...and agree! But, if you read one of the articles that I posted...the "religion" of an entire nation not only prohibits freedom and protection for Christians, but they are punished and persecuted for their faith.
>>What about all the Christian Peadophile priests? Does Christianity command that? Of course not. Yet why is it Chrisitian priests and not some other religion who are always in the dock charged with these heinous crimes? If you are going to tar followers of other religions with the same brush, then you should be willing to do the same to your own. Unless of course you want to be a hypocrite.<<
God will judge them - and believe me, I would not want to be in their shoes when He does.
>>These Black muslims you met, where they from "the nation of islam" or where they mainstream muslims?<<
They were from the Nation of Islam...that is part of the problem. What I heard was exactly what you described and they claim to be Muslim...how is anyone supposed to know the difference? It is the same as Mormons claiming to be Christians...which is nothing anywhere close to resembling Christianity other than it's name (The Church of Jesus Christ...) But how is the average person to know this?
>>If you are saying that Mo4 is a better person than me, then I'm afraid I would have to agree!!<<
I am sure that both Mo4 and EB are way better than both of us...but, I have tried at least to get to know her and apologize if I have offended her personally.
>>But you have to put aside your prejuidices. Thats pre-juidice. Thats when you pre judge something. <<
I have not pre-judged anything...I am all ears!! Tell me please, what is going on????
>>So basically you are saying that Mo4 is telling us a pack of lies about her faith? That her examplary behaviour is in fact a ruse? So on the one hand you are willing to judge an entire faith according to bad actions of people you don't know, yet you are not willing to judge that same faith by the good actions of people you do know? Hmmm something slightly unfair about that.<<
No...I do not believe that Mo4 would ever deliberately lie about anything!! But, being confronted with conflicting information puts one in a situation of needing to sort out fact from fiction, truth from deception.
In closing...when I see a person, I do not see black or white, Muslim or Hindu or Christian, rich or poor, we are all equal in God's eyes and equally loved by Him. I love most people, but this is what I HATE JV...just to set the record straight. I HATE deception, and oppression, and victimization of any kind, by any person or institution. So, while I love Mo4 as a creation of God, I hate the violence, torture, and persecution done by ANY group or individual to innocent people. I also for the record, HATE war or any other mandate our government thinks they may have to take another life...which includes abortion and capital punishment!! That is what I HATE - babies being killed by the millions for the sake of convenience! But...that is another topic!