Well he at least "thinks" he needs them. I know he can at times be in pain, but the pain killers they gave him can only be taken at night anyway, so I guess it's either not hurting him during the day or he's able to deal with it. As for the anti-inflamitories.... I'm not a big believer in those anyway, and PT is making his knee hurt more than it did before PT I guess because he had been off of it. So I'm leaving it up to him, and he said he'll give it a try and worse case he can't stay on it. I'm intrested though in seeing if the detox helps either of problems.