Rainy, here's a message from one of your favorites guys, Justin Peters :), talking about Bill Johnson's "Jesus had to be born again" doctrine. And before you tell me that you don't follow Bill Johnson's teachings, I don't care. I don't care because you do listen to Heidi Baker and you do defend her like crazy, and she is "married" to Bill Johnson in ministry. This is not just a "rubbing of elbows" situation. Nope, they are "married in ministry" together, their words, not mine.