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Ephesians 5:25
25Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her, 26that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, 27so that he might present the church to himself in splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, that she might be holy and without blemish.

So let's just take this one passage and apply what you are saying.

If it's true what you are saying, then "the church" in this verse is the Catholic Church and so Christ is going to sanctify every single person that's in the Catholic church and present every single person in the Catholic Church without spot or blemish?

Because we know in this scripture, Christ will not lose one of those the Father gives him. All the Father gives him makes up "the church" that Ephesians 5:25 is talking about, the church that Christ gave himself up for, the church that Christ will present to himself without spot or blemish (because she is cleansed by his blood and credited with his righteousness, 2 Cor. 5:21).

John 6:
35Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst. 36But I said to you that you have seen me and yet do not believe. 37All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. 38For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. 39And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. 40For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”

"The Church" that Jesus gave himself up for can only mean all the true believers (taking so many other scriptures into account as well) and if he does not lose one of the true believers, then that cannot mean the Catholic Church is the Church he gave himself up for unless every single person in the Catholic Church is going to be saved. Do you believe every single person in the Catholic Church is going to be saved? It also means all those not in the Catholic Church have no hope in the world which of course I'm sure you are saying, right? Christ doesn't save anyone not in the true church, does he?

So to sum of what I'm saying:

Christ gave himself up for "the church" (Eph. 5:25)

And God's will for Christ was that he would lose none of all he gave him (the sheep, the church) (John 6:39).

And so the only way the true church could be the Catholic Church in this equation is for every single person to be saved that's in the Catholic church with the exclusion of all others. Is that what you believe?
 

 
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