MH brother, MH!! Price list on his web site. Just know that A. you need to have the nerve to re-launch and all that entails unless you figure $125.00 is a good deal for one round. My trips keep getting stronger, believe that!! And B. MH has to drop them because they've become a pain in his a$$. But I bet if enough people just bit the bullet, paid the cost and went a few rounds with them, he'd reconsider as they'd be flying out the door faster than Brenda could box them. I thank God I didn't die without trying these.