i have used vision mineral orme products and had a good experience, then i used purganic orme products and got VERY VERY VERY ILL!!!! it was horrible. i dont know how or how, but that product felt like i was eating an alien entity or someting, not good. i asked MH about these products before and he said to steer clear, i have ultimately decided to do exactly that. i used to use a lot of colloidal silver too, but dont use it at all anymore. i think that ultimately the metals accumulate and become toxic, even in the orme or colloidal state. thats my opinion anyway.