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Re: Probiotics and MMS

 I don't know where you got your informaiton from but it is wrong. Have you read Jim Humbles site and this in particular?

So you think a salesman is telling you the truth?  There is a good reason that I do not rely on sales sites for information and why I keep telling people to verify everything, even what I say, from non-sales sites.  If we were to believe all the sales hype out there then Kangen water would be beneficial  and would be approved by the Japanese Minister of Health as they claim.   And Klamath Lake blue-green algae would be harvested from a pristine lake and would not contain liver and nervous system damaging anatoxins and microcystins.  But Kangen water is far from healthy and IS NOT approved by the Japanese Ministry of Health.  If you enlarge that document it in reality is nothing more than a business license to produce the machines.  And as far as their claim about alkaline water units being in nearly all Japanese homes I asked my friend from Japan about that.  She had no idea what these machines were.  And as far as Cell Tech's claims about the "algae",  the lake is so highly polluted, primarily with agricultural runoff (animal waste, herbicides, pesticides, etc.) that they are looking for a way to clean up the lake.  In fact, you cannot even grow "algae" in a pristine lake.  Algaes require nitrates and phosphates to flourish, which are coming primarily from the agricultural runoff.  Cell Tech did not lie about the anatoxins and microcystins, they just failed to tell the public abut these toxins in their product.  So if you want to believe in sales hype over real facts be my guest.  If you injure yourself or make yourself worse by ignoring the facts that you were told then you only have yourself to blame.

As I said chlorine dioxide is unstable.  Here is some NON-SALES sites proving this:

"Free chlorine and chlorine dioxide were the least stable in the pipe network."

MMS does not break down to chlorine or chlorate.

Again, you may have learned this from some sales hype but it is not true:

"In diluted, watery solutions chlorine dioxide is a free radical. At high concentrations it reacts strongly with reducing agents. Chlorine dioxide is an unstable gas that dissociates into chlorine gas (Cl2)oxygen gas (O2) and heat. When chlorine dioxide is photo-oxidized by sunlight, it falls apart. The end-products of chlorine dioxide reactions are chloride (Cl-), chlorite (ClO-) and chlorate (ClO3-)."

"Chlorine dioxide in unbuffered aqueous solution at pH 9 and 25°C decomposes to chlorate, chlorite, chloride and oxygen by coupled slow and rapid reactions."

Again, there is a good reason to not rely on sales hype to get your health information.  Often it is because so many companies lie outright about their products.

It can also improve liver enzymes which indicates an improved liver.

Any proof to the claim from a non-sales site?

Sodium chloride, table salt, which has a chlorine molecule in it also does not break down to chlorine in the body.

Wrong on several points.  First of all the sodium chloride is a molecule, the chlorine in sodium chloride is an atom.  But sodium chloride is disassociated in the body to produce sodium  and chlorine.  If the chlorine was never separated from the sodium then how do you suppose the chlorine from sodium chloride ends up forming your stomach acid (hydrochloric acid, HCl)?  So I don't know where you got that information, but again it is incorrect!

Oxygen is an oxidizer. Your body cannot not live without oxidizers. MMS is a mild oxidizer.

Fluorine is an oxidizer as well, but I would not recommend ingesting it.

Milder than ozone therapy which has been in medical use for over 50 years.

Ozone therapy originated in 1892.

It will not break down vitamins etc.

LOL!!!  Again, you need to find a credible source of information.  Vitamins are HIGHLY prone to oxidative destruction.  This is why even the addition of water to vitamins rapidly degrades the vitamins.  Water promotes oxidation!!!   Most chemical oxidizers will not work without water.  This is why you can take a handful of dry bleach and put it on some dry colored cloth and the bleach will not touch the cloth.  Add some water though and the cloth bleaches quickly.  The same applies to vitamins.  Just the simple addition of water speeds up the oxidative destruction of the vitamins, which is why I never recommend liquid vitamins.  They are a waste of money since the vitamins will have been long destroyed before you get them.  Add an oxidizer like MMS and you speed up the oxidative destruction of the vitamins even faster.  And it is not just vitamins.  Amino acids are also affected forming mutagens:

"Environ Health Perspect. 1986 Nov;69:267-74.

"Reactions of aqueous chlorine and chlorine dioxide with model food compounds.

Mutat Res. 1987 Aug;188(4):259-66.


Chlorine and chlorine dioxide (ClO2), common disinfecting and bleaching chemicals used in the food industry, are potent oxidizing and chlorinating agents. Unfortunately, little is known about the nature of the reactions of chlorine with organic food constituents. This presentation reviews published information concerning the reactions of chlorine gas (Cl2[g]), aqueous chlorine, and ClO2 with model food compounds, the fate of chlorine during the chlorination of specific food products, and the potential toxicity of the reaction products. Fatty acids and their methyl esters react with chlorine with the degree of incorporation corresponding to their degree of unsaturation. Aqueous chlorine oxidizes and chlorinates lipids and amino acids much more readily than ClO2. Several amino acids are highly susceptible to oxidation and chlorination by chlorine compounds. Reactions of chlorine and ClO2 with several food products, including flour and shrimp, have also been characterized. In one model system, 99% of Cl2(g) either reacted with components of flour or was consumed by oxidation/chlorination reactions. The lipids extracted from the chlorinated flour contained significant amounts of chlorine. Exposure of shrimp to hypochlorous acid (HOCl) solution resulted in significant incorporation of chlorine into the edible portion. Although significant quantities of chlorine can be incorporated into specific model compounds and food products, the health risks associated with exposure to chlorinated organic products are unknown. Preliminary studies using the Ames Salmonella/microsome mutagenicity assay indicate that the reaction products from mixtures of aqueous chlorine and various lipids or tryptophan are nonmutagenic. Nevertheless, additional studies are warranted, so that the toxicological significance of these reaction products can be understood more fully."

Reaction of chlorine dioxide with amino acids and peptides: kinetics and mutagenicity studies.


Chlorine dioxide (ClO2) is currently being considered as an alternate to chlorine as a disinfectant for water treatment. Many organic compounds present in water and food treated with ClO2 are subject to oxidation. 21 amino acids and 3 peptides (L-aspartyl-L-phenylalanine methyl ester (aspartame), L-glycyl-L-tryptophan and L-tryptophylglycine) were studied for their reactivity with ClO2. Chlorine dioxide reacted only with 6 amino acids in 0.1 M sodium phosphate buffer, pH 6.0. The reaction with cysteine, tryptophan and tyrosine was too rapid to be monitored either iodometrically or spectrophotometrically. The reaction with histidine, hydroxyproline and proline was found to be pseudo-first order. ClO2 readily reacted with L-glycyl-L-tryptophan and L-tryptophylglycine but not with aspartame. Mutagenicity studies with the Salmonella microsome assay of the reaction mixtures of ClO2 with those 6 reactive amino acids and the 3 peptides indicated that the reaction products of the 3 peptides, hydroxyproline, and tyrosine exerted mutagenic activity toward both tester strains of TA98 and TA100 in the presence and absence of rat-liver S9 mix."

J Hazard Mater. 2009 May 30;164(2-3):1089-97. Epub 2008 Sep 7.

Chlorine dioxide reaction with selected amino acids in water.


J Hazard Mater. 2009 May 30;164(2-3):1089-97. Epub 2008 Sep 7.

Chlorine dioxide is a hypochlorite alternative disinfectant agent. In this context, we have determined the products formed in the reaction of ClO(2) with selected amino acids as model compounds that can be present in natural waters. The reaction of tryptophane, histidine and tyrosine (10 ppm each) with ClO(2) were studied at molar ratios ranging from 0.25 to 4 in the presence or absence of oxygen. It was found that in the absence of oxygen adding substoichiometric amounts of ClO(2) creates products that are structurally similar to the starting amino acids. Through a series of cascade reactions the initial product distribution gradually evolves toward simple, small carbon chain products that are far from the starting amino acid. The reaction product distribution revealed that chlorine dioxide can attack the electron-rich aromatic moieties as well as the nitrogen atom lone electron pair. Our study is relevant to gain knowledge on the reaction mechanism of ClO(2) with ubiquitous amino acids present in natural waters.

Oxidizers also destroy medications through oxidative destruction.  Hormones are especially prone to oxidation, so in theory MMS could inactivate birth control pills.  But more importantly would be life saving medications such as cardiac glycosides.  Even without oxidative destruction there is still the risk of reaction of medications with the chlorine compounds and the thyroid suppression by the chlorine.  Bottom line is that it is dangerous to fool with, especially by people who have no idea of the real chemistry involved.

It will kill pathogens. Hydrogen Peroxide is an oxidizer that your body produces on its own.

Hydrogen peroxide is an oxidizer produced by the body.  But again this does not mean all oxidizers are safe.  Did you know that fire is rapid oxidation?  So does that mean sitting in the middle of a camp fire is healthy?

If the liver is loaded with pathogens and parasites you will never get well. MMS will eleminate them.

More sales hype!!!  Look at all the evidence I presented from non-sales sites.  Do you still think that all the claims that were made about the safety and effectiveness are still true?


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