Re: Lineup - protozoa..

Hey Lineup,

I wanted to respond here to a previous message posted on the candida support.

First you said:

"Many of the protozoa species will resist natural therapies and you might have to resort to meds. Yes they are used short-term and don't pose threats. Fluoride is probably more toxic than these drugs."

Do you have experience that protozoa dont respond to herbal treatments?
>>Yes, I have tried numerous combinations, but that does not mean that there isn't a remedy out there that will work. I have a list of treatments I can post. I did get some movement with caprylic acid that they adapted to after stopping for 4 days.

They are so common around the world, I've been thinking in places like South America, Africa, etc. they MUST have herbs that work against protozoa.
>>I scoured the internet for these and compiled a list.


In any case, am just expermenting with the ayurvedic herbs - holarrhena and aegles marmelos supposed to be efficient against giardias and amoebas. I took my first dose tonight - awful. Follow the protocol from a scientific article I got about these two herbs.

>>Sounds interesting. I read that post and looked at one of them, holarrhena which is Oleander which there are lots of posts about it being used for cancer and hiv. Sounds good and is worth trying. Please keep us updated on these.


But you are right, if I have to take drugs, I will. However, I have taken them A LOT - Tinidazole, Metronidazole, and I guarantee you, they are far from non toxic. They're basically pesticides for human. After ten days of Flagyl, you feel like your digestive tract is being scraped raw. They are both carcinogenic and teratogenic. In India, they even come with a warning on the box.

>>If you have taken Tin/metro then that is helpful. There are species that are resistant to these, it probably means you have one of the species more difficult to get rid of or you are in the wrong classification. For instance d. fragilis will not respond to tin/metro (which are basically the same drug) but will respond to Iodoquinol or Dioquinole (spanish name). No other drug is necessary for this protocol. But with many of the species you need to follow up with a lumicidal drug such as diloxinide furoate etc.

>> I take some many antioxidants and chelators that the toxicity does not worry me. You can mobilize toxins fairly easy with the right protocol. Again there are plenty of other compounds that are dangerous as well, I just read warnings from a mainstream magazine about the dangers of nitrates found as a preservative, they are carcinogenic as well and probably more dangerous because of longer term exposures.



Actually, for cryptosporidium, they have to be used the longest - Paromomycin for eg. is three days for giardia, 5-7 days for amoebas, 10 days for cryptosporidium. And then, in several places it is mentioned that drugs will bring only a temporary relief (meaning that the bloody crypto will recurr, no?)

>> I had a case with crypto that I eradicated with herbs. I have never read that they are very difficult to get rid of like b. hominis.


Then again, you say:

"Again you might want to look at the ' parasite present, taxonomy unknown' as a possibility of a pathogenic condition."

I was thinking about that - because I have several digestive and systemic symptoms. It may be that some symptoms are caused by the crypto, some others caused by this protozoa of unknown taxonomy.

>> well the reason I said that was because myself and many others who had the MM test done have been tagged with this. My feeling is that these are pathogens and not transient parasites just passing thru the body. I think that they have not identified all the pathogenic protozoa, or possibly these are variations of known pathogens such as b. hominis. I had a report from a credible source that showed b. hominis has mutations or sub classifications that could give a false negative. I also have some information on rare protozoa that was published by researchers at the Liverpool School of Tropical Medicine.

So you would think that some of my problems would be caused by this other "unknown" parasite? Problem is, if it is unknown, how to bloody treat it?

>>yes it could be. Treatment is going to have to be thru trial and error. If you want treatment options, let me know.
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