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 "Try posting the exact quotes from these sources that back what you are claiming"

I'm not claiming anything, except that what I consider large doses of ascorbate do not in themselves cause kidney stones, as you've wrongfully asserted. I provided articles, but I'm not going to hold your hand and quote them. If you don't want to read them, I don't care !!

 

Actually you made several claims, that being one.  But posting a bunch of titles to articles is hardly providing proof.  Anyone can copy and paste a bunch of references from someone elses work, but this does not mean they read or understood the references themselves.  In the time you have wasted here you could have easily quoted what you are referring to.  The fact that you are refusing to do this just proves to me that you have not read them.  And why would I go looking for copies of your references then have to dig through them to try and find what you are referring to, that is IF the evidence is even there to begin with?  Several of these are books, which I definitely do not have time to read through to find someone's opinion when the studies show differently.  Even your reference number 7 is "Ascorbate increases human oxaluria and kidney stone risk", which the title alone seems to say the opposite of what you claim.

 

You also claimed that ascorbate dissolves oxalates.  Have seen no proof of this either.

 

And "that repeated short-term periods of lactic acidosis are more responsible for stones than ascorbate."  This brings up two points.  First of all is the question of why then don't athletes develop kidney stones on a regular basis from the repeated short-term periods of lactic acidosis?  The lactic acidosis bouts are common in athletes, yet I have never seen any evidence that athletes are more prone to stones.  So this is very contradictory to your claim.

 

Secondly the end of your sentence states "are more responsible for stones than ascorbate".  "More responsible" indicates that ascorbates do in fact cause kidney stones, which again is contradictory to your statement earlier that ascorbates dissolve kidney stones.

Calcium oxalate itself is very insoluble in pure water, but you've neglected several competing equilibria. Its clear from your manner, that you're not interested in anything I have to offer.

 

 

Again as I pointed out if it is soluble as you claim then how does it form kidney stones?  Simple question.

 


The articles I cited were written by PhD's. If you don't like it, good for you, but your argument isn't with me, regardless of your experience in dealing people you may believe are somehow like me, whoever you are. Why don't you take it up with the authors, show them that they are wrong, and then help these people by advancing knowledge - instead of wasting time ROFL.

Actually as your study number 7 shows and your own statement about ascorbates causing kidney stones, along with the research I have already seen already already prove my earlier point.  So unless you show me proof to the contrary and contrary to your own claims then I see nothing wrong with my original article.

 

 
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