Re: can i alkalize without causing heartburn or upsetting bowel ph?
You may be able to get acidified magnesiums in higher concentrations... can everyone? I have read several of your posts stating that you get things not available to others... and then fail to list or post your sources. How does that help the common man?
Post what is most practical for most if you are not willing to divulge or share your sources.
That is a very misleading statement!!! If you read my posts I said I get most of my materials from raw material suppliers and wholesalers WHO DO NOT SELL TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC!!! If you have a resale number so they will sell to you I am more than happy to share my sources as I have done with a number of people. Otherwise that point is moot!!! And this does not mean that the products are not available to the general public. Just because I buy my jiaogulan from a wholesaler that does not mean it is not on the market. Plenty of people on my forum have found it. I even told them other names to look under and commercial sources where they can get it. And just because I get my magnesium malate from a raw material supplier does not mean that it is not available. On the contrary I have posted commercial sources I have no connection with that I found for people to order it cheaper than I can buy locally. Should I go on with my point or would you like to rescind your false claim?
In addition, as I have stated before... what you take, how much, with what, and when makes a difference too.
You are correct, absolutely in raw forms, not all forms of minerals are safe... however that does not mean that one cannot react them with something, like lets say, a food acid like lemon juice or ACV and create something altogether different, like say magnesium citrate or malate.
And ONCE AGAIN I say that unless you have a pH meter to know when you have added enough acid how do you know if there is any cuastic hydroxide left? And if you neutralize all the hydroxide is it really an alkaline drink at that point? I recommend you read what I really wrote first before arguing to save us both a lot of time.
In high quality foods, minerals most of us would not eat in supplement forms, such as nicotine, arsenic, aluminum, fluoride, etc. are found... in forms we can tolerate, process, utilize and/or eliminate.
Since when is nicotine a mineral? Last I checked it was an alkaloid.
And the rest of the statement is not necessarily true either. Plants may contain levels small enough to not cause harm. Just like mercury in fish can be ingested in small amounts. Eat enough of the fish though in a short enough period of time and it does not matter what form it is in, you are going to get sick. And some plants that are normally harmless and even considered medicinal can pick up toxic amounts of certain minerals/metals. Some desert plants are notorious for this, particularly for picking up toxic levels of selenium.
RE: my quote: Another interesting aside here is that magnesium levels in blood are tightly regulated, and increased magnesium levels in urine happen with all magnesium supplements, including Epsom Salt baths or magnesium oil use...
That one has greater amounts in their urine is an indication that they are taking more than they can use at any one time...
Your response...
>>"Actually this is incorrect. First of all in order for magnesium to be excreted through the urine it must first be absorbed in to the bloodstream. Because less magnesium oxide is absorbed in to the bloodstream less of this magnesium is excreted through the urine. As more evidence to this acidified magnesiums such as malate and citrate are very effective in controlling calcium induced hypertension. Magnesium oxide/hydroxide is not, but it works as a laxative. Why? Because most of the magnesium oxide/hydroxide stays in the intestines where by its caustic nature it chemically burns the intestinal wall leading to a release of water in to the intestines and increased peristalsis. The same process by which bile dumping after gallbladder removal causes diarrhea. The chronic burning also increases the risk of intestinal cancer."<<
You state "Actually this is incorrect." and go on to state that magnesium must be absorbed into the blood stream... what about my statement, "magnesium levels in blood are tightly regulated, and increased magnesium levels in urine happen with all magnesium supplements, including Epsom Salt baths or magnesium oil use..." was incorrect? Of course the urine is blood filtrate, I understood and illustrated that to a degree... common sense. I stated the same thing you did in "correcting" me.
I am a bit confused on your response to that one...
I explained several other reasons for high magnesium levels in the urine. Furthermore, the original topic was the absorption of magnesium oxide, not chloride, not sulfate, not malate.......... So staying ON TOPIC why is there less loss of magnesium from the oxide in the urine compared to other magnesiums? Could the answer be as simple as it is poorly absorbed and therefore does not make it in to the blood at high levels? In the words of your buddy, could it be so simple?
>>"In addition magnesium can also be displaced, for example by alcohol consumption. The displaced magnesium can be eliminated through the urine. This does not mean the person has more magnesium than they can use. The same applies to calcium. For example a person can have hyperparathyroidism and can dump a lot of calcium in the urine. This does not mean they have more calcium can they can utilize. In fact this condition can quickly lead to osteoporosis."<<
This is true... any mineral for that matter can be displaced by any number of things, including minerals, and other nutritional factors... this is why supplementation is such a sticky wicket, and WHY, most people feel better and better... and then plateau and then start to decline over time if they continue to supplement one, or just a few nutrients, over too long of a period.
You mean like calcium hydroxide, which can block iron and zinc absorption and displace magnesium and other minerals?
BTW - your post on NPNs is way off base... because the issue confounds many, especially us in the sciences...
Not off base at all. Maybe you need to look up the definition of NPN then try to tell me I am wrong.
Complexed proteins are mineral bound, and include lipo and glyco proteins...
How are complexed proteins non-protein? The "NP" in "NPN" means non-protein nitrogen. Maybe we should do it this way. Let's look at the definition:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-protein_nitrogen
Non-protein nitrogen (or NPN) is a term used in animal nutrition to refer collectively to components such as urea, biuret, and ammonia, which are not proteins
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/nonprotein+nitrogen
nonprotein nitrogen (NPN)
[-prō′tēn]
Etymology: L, non + Gk, proteios, first rank, nitron, soda, genein, to produce
the nitrogen in the blood that is not a constituent of protein, such as the nitrogen associated with urea, uric acid, creatine, and polypeptides. Approximately one half of the nonprotein nitrogen in the blood is associated with urea.
This is a normal part of milk. The nonprotein nitrogen (NPN) fraction is composed of urea and other low molecular compounds such as creatine and creatinine. About 50% of the NPN in milk is urea, and variation in NPN is attributed primarily to variation in urea content.
NPN's are NOT complexed, they are made up of N, C, H, and O, without any lipid, sugar or alkaline mineral attachment to the protein. This is why, like a refined, fat, or sugar, NPN's are not good for us in excess... natural forms made in the plant/animal/human as a result of metabolic function/process can be easily dealt with... excess and/or refined NPN's in foods (agri-chemicals on/in our foods and additives) cannot as easily be dealt with, especially if someone is nutritionally compromised, and most especially if that compromise is a result of mineral deficiencies.
That last one is really funny when you consider your buddy thinks high brix means low dangerous NPN. Yet here we have high brix milk with all that NPN. I guess that proves another one of his wild claims bogus!