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Re: Gas and Bloating - help please...


Greetings,

 

My apologies for not getting back to you before now.  I agree with ginger4jeff - frustratingly to ALL of us - 5 days worth of colon cleansing doesn't do much against decades of compromise and build-up (but it IS enough to 'stir things up' and cause gas)...but I don't feel that's likely the complete picture at all, although it is possibility (just not nearly as likely as the scenario below, methinks).

My wife finished a 5 day Dr. Schulze colon detox and then 30 days of Humaworm in early June. Since that time she has had periods where she would get extreme bloating and constipation. I'm assuming this bloating wasn't an issue before the Humanworm/IF#1/IF#2...although likely the constipation was (constipation = anything less than 1 bm for every meal eaten daily).  Anytime anyone has bloating & gastric issues after a parasite cleanse (or any 'liver protocol'), the first thing to look at is the liver/gallbladder.  Because if there were liver flukes that were killed by the parasite herbs (always a very good chance of that) or there were herbs that somehow stimulate the liver in the parasite blend (very likely) - then there can be hundreds of dead carcasses that have have detached and can be seriously clogging up the works (or liver/gallstones that have moved around substantially).  And either of those possibilities (or both) cause a lack of bile flow from the liver/gallbladder...and that can & will cause all kinds of gas, bloating, cramping, pain, etc. 

This image shows the areas where one experiences pain and other issues when the liver/gallbladder is compromised (thanks, Telman!):


Her stomach would stick out like when she was pregnant. She is in pain and just miserable.I'm sure that is painful and very miserable, too.  Each time I get her to take extra dr. schulze IF #1 and that seems to work after a couple of day but this bloating and pain has reoccurred three times. The pain seems to be in the middle of her stomach right below the rib cage above the belly button.  This is another clue that there's liver/gallbladder compromise - even though the liver/gallbladder is to the right and further up, this area is commonly reported when people are having liver/gallbladder issues.  Bile from the liver (amongst other things) is what triggers our natural peristalsis (the muscular/rhythmic squeezing motion of the intestines)...and food without bile and/or the digestive enzymes from the pancreas (which can also be lacking because the bile and pancreatic enzymes flow into the same tube...and even the tiniest piece of a liver fluke, gallstone, or even biliary sludge that's positioned 'just so' can impact the flow of pancreatic enzymes as well as the bile)...will create an enormous amount of gas as the food "digests" (i.e. rot & putrefy).  Hence the IF#1 gives a measure of relief because it creates peristalsis, moving the partially digested/rotting food along & out - giving a relief from the pressure of the gas.  Here's some diagrams of the "ductwork":



Close up:

So, you can see how just one lil' "anything" lodged in there can cause all KINDS of digestive issues.  And folks, let's not forget that even the gas that's produced from the layers of putrefying mucoid plaque (that pushes upward throughout the intestinal track SO much that it produces hiatal hernias and acid reflux) is constantly flowing/pushing upward on that tiny duct...and can easily compromise the flow of bile AND the flow of pancreatic enzymes on a daily basis. 

I really want to help her as she has done most of these things as a supportive and encouraging thing for me after watching and listening to me talk about how wonderful these protocols have been for me.  :)  I totally understand!  And I think it's SUPER that you two are learning and walking your 'healing pathways' together...that's great.  However ::::sigh:::: all of our bodies are in SUCH different conditions, that they can respondly in immensely different ways to the same cleanses & healing protocols.  One thing is for sure, I do think you've chose good products (I think Humaworm is a great parasite product, and of course anything from Dr. Schulze --except his new capsules & Superfood Plus-- are the best available on the market)

We have also been eating mostly raw vegan these past few months.  That's wonderful, too!  I know that the "diet change" is usually the hardest & most challenging to make.  It's easy to do cleanses & flushes in comparison to changing a LIFETIME to eating/cooking habits and preferences.  So if you've been 'mostly raw vegan' for a few months, you deserve a serious round of applause!  APPLAUSE! APPLAUSE!

I am hoping someone has some recommendations on a long term solution.

Thank you all in advance,
BL

My recommendation (with the current information I have) is to start prepping the liver for a series of liver flushes...or, at the VERY least, do a few days worth of coffee enemas (coffee enemas WILL cause enough bile to flow to flush out liver fluke carcasses, unless the gallbladder is extremely clogged).  Just doing a few (I'd say, one a day for several days in a row) would likely be enough to reveal if the liver/gallbladder is full of dead/rotting carcasses from the parasite cleanse AND give her some substantial relief (if this proves to be the case).  Coffee enemas (in situations like this) are simply invaluable.  After one or two, you'll likely know if there are liver fluke bodies in the liver/gallbladder (because they virtually always 'come out' when one expels the enema solution, or in the next bm) - if there are flukes, then "bingo!" you'll know the issue you have to deal with (or at least part of the issue) - and if that's the case, you'll likely get a vast amount of relief.  If you do 3-4 coffee enemas and see absolutely no difference, then you'll have a good idea that the liver/gallbladder is not the root of the issue...and if you do one or two and situation seems to worsen - you'll know there's a HUGE clog somewhere in the liver/gallbladder, and it'll be neccessary to start a series of liver flushes right away.


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We have been doing some detective work and it seems the senna in the IF #1's might be part of her issues. Would be curious what others think about senna. I take IF #1's daily and seem to have no issues with it but a quick google search turns up lots of potential issues with long term use that fit a lot of her symptoms. I mean I trust Schulze a ton so I am a bit torn thinking the IF #1's are the culprit but every ones bodiues are different - BL

Some listed side effect of Senna

Severe
Cramps
Bloating
Abdominal Pain
Electrolyte Imbalance
Bloody Diarrhea
Nausia
Rash
Liver Toxicity


I don't know how familiar you are with the workings of "the Powers That Be" (PTB) - the FDA, Big Pharma, the AMA and asst "3 letter organizations" have been attempting to villainize, discredit and implant fear about herbal remedies since the early part of the 1900's.  There's only 2-3 herbs that have come under as much attack as 'the cathartic herbs' (those are the herbs that 'make us go').  They all contain a substance called emodin - and emodin causes the intestines to squeeze & contract - and that's what causes bowel movements to happen.  Emodin is actually a very slight irritant to the intestines, so the intestines 'go to work' squeezing to 'get it out'...which is wonderful for strengthening muscles that have been stretched out and lazy for decades (since we stopped having 4-5 bowel movements a day when we were toddlers).  Of all the cathartic herbs, Senna is the strongest.  Any time one takes ANYTHING to 'make us go', virtually everything on the list above is a very real possibility.  Cramps are caused by the squeezing action of the colon; bloating is caused by putrefying debris being loosened and giving off gas; same with admoninal pain; any diarrhea causes an electrolyte imbalance; blood diarrhea is rare with any laxative, but can occur if someone takes too much of any type...especially if some 'big hunk' of something is pulled away from the intestinal walls; of couse anytime we have gas & cramping, there's a possibility of nausea; a rash and "liver toxicity" can be caused by stirring up all the VAST amount of toxins/poisons embedded in the colon, and have them reabsorb into the bloodstream.

Great, there's a couple of new/good posts in this thread since I started this one a few hours ago. 

Reasons I doubt it's the Senna:

--IF#1 is NOT straight Senna (which being the strongest, can be the harshest)...in fact, there are EIGHT different herbs (in equal parts) in IF#1, so each capsule is only 1/8 Senna.

--Senna's action generally takes place 2-6 hours after ingested, and then it's flushed out of the intestinal tract into the toilet.  There's nothing left to cause cramping, bloating or pain after it's no longer in the intestines.

--Although Dr. Christopher didn't use Senna in his famous LBB, he did use it occasionally (Senna tea, to flush parasites out of the digestive tract).  Dr. Schulze used his IF#1 blend on THOUSANDS of the most severely compromised people that any healer has ever dealt with (he specialized in the last years of his clinic in "incurable diseases" and people that were on death's doorstep).  Every person, no matter how weak, crippled or wheelchair/bed bound, did at least 30 days of colon cleansing with IF#1/IF#2 (unless they had IBS type issues, then they only used the IF#2).  If IF#1 consistently caused all the things that cathartic herbs have been accused of causing for decades, 30 days on IF#2 would have done a LOT of harm to these people that were so compromised - but the only consistent thing that happens following Dr. Schulzes protocol is that they are healed.  See*** below

--You likely also read that cathartic herbs are "addictive" and other rumors & tidbits that may worry you.  If any of that is a concern to you, please read through this post (and check out the video!) http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1408157

--Always remember that both Dr. Schulze and Dr. Christopher said it can take YEARS to cleanse, strengthen and undo the damage/weakness to the colon that it's taken decades to happen.  There are thousands of patients of these two great healers that have taken LBB or IF#1 for YEARS without problems.

--If you'd ever like us to customize a batch of IF#1 for you without the Senna, the charge is only $5 more (which is still cheaper that buying the normal IF#1 from Dr. Schulze retail).



***The one thing most of us don't realize (or LOVE to forget), is that the protocols of Dr. Schulzes & Dr. Christopher were NEVER "cleanse one organ/system at a time"...they were (and are still) FULL BODY healing protocols.  For example, if you were doing Dr. Schulzes IP (Incurables Program), the more compromised/weak/deathly ill you were, the more aggressive each 30 days would be...and that 30 days includes 30 days of IF#1/IF#2; at least 2 5-day liver cleanses (sometimes with a LOT of regular liver flushes, as well - even daily full liver flushes); two 5-day kidney cleanses; anti-parasite regime; daily raw garlic, cayenne, echinacea; a variety of various healing protocols AND any & every herb & protocol that was "a specific" for their particular disease or ailment.


The reason for this? ALL of our systems, parts, organ and body are totally interconnected.  When one system is compromised, all the systems are somehow compromised (and/or burdened by picking up the slack from the organ/system that is not working correctly).  Many (many!) times, doing ONLY a parasite cleanse or 'only any other type of cleanse' can work backward for us...like this:

Doing one cleanse at a time, can many times work against us.  Think of it like restoring an automobile that's been driven hard & fast for 30 years without much (any!) regular maintenance...and really (REALLY!) cheap fuel - many times 'fuel' that was definitely not even designed for the car!   The exhaust is clogged, the fuel lines are filthy, the oil/filter needs changed (desperately), the carburetor needs calibrated and cleaned, sparks & plugs changed & gapped, alternator fixed/adjusted; transmission rebuilt (or at least overhauled);  suspension aligned; new tires needed, brake pads replaced., etc.  If you cleanse the exhaust & fuel lines (similar to the colon & parasite) before cleansing the oil/filter and carb (liver & parasites), you end up filthy fuel lines and clogged exhaust before you ever get the carb/oil/filter work.  But if you do the oil/filter/carb before you cleanse the fuel lines and get the gunk out of the exhaust and deal the points & plugs, the plugs'll be corroded again before you know it.  New tires & brake pads before an alignment? A waste of new tires/brake pads.  If the alternater is 'shorting or weak' that stresses all the system parts....the electrical flow through the engine is no different than the electrical flow through the body.   Change to high-grade fuel before cleansing and restoring the damage from the cheap fuel?  :::sigh::: That can end up being a waste of fuel (too rich for the compromised system to handle).   The human body is no different.  It's always much more effective to 'put it up on blocks' and do a full body cleanse/restore, than it is to do it one at a time.  Yep, it's more work, but it's FAR more effective (and you'll get MUCH more life out of the car by doing it that way).  Remember: in this toxic/poisoned world, our bodies are like high-performance automobiles CONSTANTLY in overdrive (generally running on VERY low grade fuel with extremely little maintenance).  There's no truly safe/healthy protocol (maintenance) we can do, that's as extreme as the totally unnatural conditions we live in.  And it's only MDs and "alternative practicioners" that believe we can deal with one system of the body at a time.  EVERY system/organ in the body depends upon every other.   (Perhaps those analogies weren't "mechanically/technically perfect", but I'm sure you get the idea).   In one of Dr. Schulzes interviews he talks about how many people say: "Well I did a colon cleanse; I did several liver flushes already; yeah, I juice fasted a few years ago; yes! I did hot/cold showers; I tried the vegan thing; I took herbs...none of it worked!"  And Dr. Schulze replies, "But did you ever do everything TOGETHER?".

I've read hundreds (it seems) of cases on CZ where people have done parasite cleanses and ended up with an even more compromised/clogged liver/gallbladder than when they started.  And I've helped several people personally that have reported this.  It's only logical.  Liver flukes (when alive) do NOT move around.  They 'suck on' and stay there until they die.  So 'channels of flow' are created around them.  When we kill them and they come off of the biiliary ducts, the channel of flow (that was small before) becomes even more compromised.  So even if something is not "stuck' somewhere, the possibility of their being a lot less bile being released into the digestive tract is very high.

Also remember (this is something that folks that sell parasite herbs rarely address), the main feeding, breeding and hiding grounds of parasites is the layers of mucoid plaque in the colon.  Parasites aren't stupid - when poisons come down the chute, the first thing they do is scurry and hide underneath the mucoid plaque, where the herbs can't come into contact with them.  The most effective parasite cleanse, is one done WHILE doing a deep colon cleanse.  We see thousands of stories of people doing 'years worth' of parasite cleansing and never getting rid of the parasites :::sigh:::  That's no surprise to me, because the two top sellers of parasite herbs on CZ have VERY ineffective colon cleansing regimes.


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I just checked through some of your past posts to see if you or your wife have any experience in liver flushing, and it appears that you do.  Also, I saw that you posted this (around 7 hours ago):

This is for anyone else that runs into the problem - we seem to feel that this problem was caused by senna in the Schulze IF #1's. Turns out my wife would just stop all IF's and things would get better. From some research Senna can cause a bunch of side effects for some people.

So - what we thought was helping was likely causing the issue.

Bloating was severe - I hope it stays away for her!

I, too, hope that whatever it was causing it, is solved and gone forever!  Just remember, these liver/gallbladder clogs are very common and can self-correct (usually temporarily) very easily.  A few tablespoons of salad dressing (with healthy oil), some garlic, ginger, or any other food that causes bile to flow (and that's a lot of various foods), could easily be enough to break loose a small clog or congested pathway.

Please don't think I'm trying to tell you what's going on in your wife's body - I just want to be sure and point at all possibilities...because it is VERY unlikely that the IF#1 would cause the symptoms you're reporting, especially if it didn't cause those same symptoms when your wife was doing the 5 Day cleanse.

Healthiest of blessings (to both of you!) -

Unyquity

 

 
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