Tell him about me. I find it is better to tell someone a story than to say you need to quit such and such. I tell you, it was awful and it is like you have no hope for tomorrow. Thank God, I visit a friend of mine and she had a drug and supplement book and I just looked until I came upon a cure. Do you know I have recommended this more than Carter has liver pills. Even doctors ask me about my cure. It works. Within 3 days I was out of pain, but if he needed surgery his case is probably more than what I am talking about. If he won't loose weight and weight is pouring down on the joint, he is in trouble. I know many people who went to a chiropracter and did not have the same results. The thing here is it something necessary for life. It is expensive. 30 tabs in Jordan cost ten dollars. You need a minimum of one tab per day. That is a fortune here but in America, a drop in the bucket.