"There is no such thing as the consumption of B12, it is NEVER an eatable thing.
Fruits are REAL MINERALS, the best usuable minerals a human can consume.
Vegetables are WRONG MINERALS and most worthless for nutrition.
Weight? "IF" you loose weight while eating fruit, the loss was toxic to you and the fruits are saving your life.
White on the nails is a sign of ill health, the nails as well as all the body tells the story of health.
"IF" you read BOOK I, did the study guide and "BELIEVED" the old MD, then you could have never posted such a post, we may eat the wrong foods from our bad habits, but we would KNOW these things are wrong and never bother to ask why.
"Webmaster, with all due respect for the years worth of hours you've invested and the thousands of people's live you have changed by hosting Curezone - PLEASE do the right thing here. For EVERYthing there is a time & a season, and I challenge you to consider the magnitude and seriousness of the battle all humans are a part of in these 'toxic times' - and to apply your considerable strength, gifts and personal integrity to this very serious issue to make Curezone a strong force AND a refuge for those thousands of people that seek pure knowledge, compassion, assistance, and the time-honeored truths of natural health."
I believe commercial forums should be removed in their entirety, leaving only the forums where genuine individuals attempt to aid genuine health-seekers at no gain to themselves.
Commercial forums are operated by a clear agenda: money - and certain individuals will go to great lengths in order to increase their sales. (Literally poisoning the minds of those who are lost and sick, purely for profit and following.) This agenda fights against everything CureZone claims to stand for. CureZone is not (I believe) in the business of profiting from the sick and naïve, nor is it intent on perverting the minds of others to suit their own means. I was very much under the impression that CureZone was pro-life - philanthropic if you will - and there is quite literally nothing humanitarian about manipulating others to line your already golden pockets.
I would also like to take this opportunity to detail some facts, hoping that a potentially large number of curious individuals will read the posts in this very prominent thread:
Regarding Joel (since he is clearly the main motivation behind the original post): His statements regarding “BOOK 1” (Dr. William Howard Hay’s, Health via Food) are consistently inaccurate, exaggerated and almost entirely fantastical. Indeed, anyone who has actually “READ” this book, as Joel so rudely declares, will realise that the figures Joel quotes are totally false, and his notion of the perfect diet as uttered by Dr. Hay is also erroneous.
He states time and time again that this “OLD MD” had a 100% cure rate, yet Dr. Hay himself details two clear failings. (Dr. Hay was not so arrogant as to make exaggerations concerning his own achievements.) Furthermore, there is no mention whatever in this little book of Dr. Hay having cured “63,000” patients.
What is even worse is that Dr. Hay does not mock the nutritional qualities of vegetables; in fact, he blatantly recommends the eating of green leafy vegetables as an essential part of the perfect diet! This is echoed by Arnold Ehret, Herbert Shelton, et al. Indeed, Ehret was a huge proponent of vegetables in the diet, which he said worked as an “intestinal broom” - a far cry from Joel’s nonsensical statements concerning the clogging nature of “too large” minerals (which he never, ever explains I hasten to add). Joel even went so far to suggest that a poster eat dates to break a long fast, when Arnold Ehret clearly details in his books an account of a man who DIED due to breaking a fast by eating dates. It is clear to me that Joel is guilty of exactly what he claims to loathe so very much: not actually reading these old medical books…
I hope this does not become all about “MH” as there are greater issues at hand: 1) Profiting from the sick, and 2) willfully disseminating disinformation. Profiting from CureZone should NOT exist, not in any way, shape, or form, and to encourage its further development, or to create a pigeonhole to encourage known salesmen is defeatist in my opinion and further denigrates an already ailing site.
"Profiting from CureZone should NOT exist, not in any way, shape, or form, and to encourage its further development, or to create a pigeonhole to encourage known salesmen is defeatist in my opinion and further denigrates an already ailing site."
Andreas is, of course, in no way comparable to the men of fire who currently plague this otherwise wonderful site.
It is interesting that you say your efforts to uphold the last strand of human dignity are “overpowered by a key, but powerful few.” Your use of the word “few” intrigues me, and I shall need to begin some new research it seems. Certainly, any prod in the right direction would prove useful… (To those who are watching, my email address is indeed open.)
I am indeed familiar with the term agent provocateur, alas. Curiously, I received a number of emails some time ago which questioned the intentions of your good self - perhaps you would be glad to know who from; perhaps you are already more than aware...
Returning to the “Ask an Expert” scenario. I believe that the Ask CureZone forum covers all forms of experience and in a much more user-friendly environment. Out of all the forums here on CureZone, I do believe that the Ask CureZone forum possesses by far the most pleasant, life-affirming atmosphere. Where else could one post queries relating to all concerns, questions and possibilities and receive heartfelt advice and aid from such a wide array of intelligent, concerned, and very human minds? The Ask CureZone forum, in my opinion, renders the current (self-proclaimed with no qualifications) “expert” forums obsolete and entirely non-essential. I expect nothing more than heart-warming responses from such non-experts (ha!) as Lapis, Wrenn, Owen, Hopinso, Chiron, Papillon, Aye, Janaki, etc., (random names, sorry folks…) and the hundreds of others who always take the time to express their concern and offer advice and aid with no thought to themselves. One certainly never expects to be told that one is diseased and acidic, nor does one expect to be mocked by condescending tones; neither does one wish to receive replies relating to rocks falling from the sky when one merely asked if lecithin was toxic or not!
Ordo ab Chao, hm? Well, the chaos is more than apparent. One has to wonder what will come next...