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- Lack of thinking Reigns... Savagegrace
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This is a reply to # 750,710Like the majority of people you’ve got hung up on the “stone” debate.
Then you just had to display what you “knew”.
Guess what, you’re right.
Those who think and do their homework know that the stones that can be squished between the fingers are not true “stones” as defined by the medical profession.
Lab analysis of these soft stones would indeed show they were not calcified stones.
You can now go on your merry way with the knowledge that you weren’t fooled by such nonsense.
That being said let me make a few comments as one who has read far too much of this board.
I do NOT care in the least about the composition of the stones released.
I know for a fact that both types of stones are released.
Big deal, don’t care.
This is what you should have learned.
1. People’s health problems may be related to congestion of the gallbladder or liver or both.
2. As people reduce oil or fat intake, via doctor’s recommendation to reduce pain, they exasperate the problem over time as this reduces bile flow and organ reflex.
3. Some people will need to do a number of flushes just to get organ reflex and bile flow increased so appropriate ejection of material can occur.
4. Clearing out the chaff is as important as getting out “stones”. As true “stones” can be created by the chaff.
If you had tried one flush you might have wondered at why your anus got abraded to the point of bleeding.
Or, where did that hard, sharp material come from? You didn’t consume it.
As I said, you are right about the single item you focused on.
Savagegrace
- Re: Lack of thinking Reigns... ziziwin
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MoreThis is a reply to # 750,831Dear Savagegrace
What about people like me that 'bought' what 'Dr. bull' said and had their gall bladder removed?
Actually it was 'loaded' so it wasn't hard to scare me.
They gave them to me. They were rust colored and could be crushed but not too easily. There was also a lot of 'sand'.
ziziwin- Gallbladder Surgery Support Forum Savagegrace
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MoreThis is a reply to # 751,062Dear Savagegrace
What about people like me that 'bought' what 'Dr. bull' said and had their gall bladder removed?
Actually it was 'loaded' so it wasn't hard to scare me.
They gave them to me. They were rust colored and could be crushed but not too easily. There was also a lot of 'sand'. ziziwin
You should have seen my Mother’s “egg” that completely filled her gallbladder.
Oval, around 1” by 2.5”. She kept it in a glass jar for years.
Fortunately for you there is the:
Gallbladder Surgery Support Forum
//www.curezone.org/forums/f.asp?f=439
That’s the first place you need to look to for limiting whatever problems the removal caused or didn’t take care of.
Aside from the restrictions you may have by not having a GB.
It is sad the medical profession uses peoples’ ignorance to project fear into doing what they believe is required.
GS
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- Your lack of thinking continues... Savagegrace
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This is a reply to # 751,312Wow, it must really be a slow day for me to respond to this nonsense.
So, let's begin.
1st paragraph: States perceived conclusion:
Hulda Clark is ineffective for removing gallstones
2nd paragraph: States a data review of pics for conclusion:
reviewed a substantial number of medical pictures of the gallbladder....and the “stones”
3rd paragraph: States conclusion about the "stone" controversy:
conclusion...not...actual "gallstones"...actual "stones"...real “stones”...mostly square...slightly rounded edges...triangular shapes...vast majority of the "stones"...uncommon variations in shape and color.
GS- Gee, I really can't figure how I thought you were hooked on "stones" after those last two paragraphs.
4th paragraph: Presents an analysis as second data point:
reviewed...objective analysis...actually transpires to the ingredients
GS-This is mote as as one can see and feel the difference. Could give credence that you will "see" at least two types of "stones".
5th paragraph: Presents lack of "lab" evidence:
not one person on CureZone...lab analysis performed
GS-As a side note, I doubt there are that many people who produce real Gallstones larger than a pea. Fewer people still who use a colander to strain every butt pea, much less sift for "gold"....;-)
6th paragraph: Restates original perceived conclusion:
...gallbladder/ Liver Flush is the foolish ramblings of a strongly misguided person...
So, let's get on with your second post.
GS-1. People’s health problems may be related to congestion of the gallbladder or liver or both.
A-An obvious possibility, but not necessarily true either...
This is the L & GB flush debate forum, if the problem isn't the GB or liver or both, you shouldn't be here.
GS-2. As people reduce oil or fat intake, via doctor’s recommendation to reduce pain, they exasperate the problem over time as this reduces bile flow and organ reflex.
A-The reduction of fat intake via a doctor’s recommendation is something that should be avoided, for it causes far more problems that just the reduction of bile flow...
Once again, this is the L & GB flush debate forum. We could talk about depression, eye problems or a host of other ills caused by a low fat diet.
GS-3. Some people will need to do a number of flushes just to get organ reflex and bile flow increased so appropriate ejection of material can occur.
A-A blatant lie and patently false.
So when you asked Telman for a breakdown and he was nice enough to use his time to create it, you didn't read it. Otherwise you would know about the gall bladder reflex. But you should have been aware of this already.
GS-4. Clearing out the chaff is as important as getting out “stones”. As true “stones” can be created by the chaff.
A-There is no current methodology that is useful in which to do so.
ROTFLMAO
So you did "a" flush? Only one? And didn't get my abraded anus syndrome? And you would have "remembered" this from 6 years ago, because you did "look" at the toilet paper. Because you were aware of this at that time....;-)
ROTFLMAO
Say! Look at that! "I am a custom formulator and manufacturer of nutritional supplements".
Perhaps you can formulate something for flushing gallstones?
..........;-)
Savagegrace
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This is a reply to # 752,141Hulda Clark is another scammer, that has gained wide support from an unthinking public. Like many other snake oil salesmen, Clark has the support of many. What is missing is any evidence of benefit from these protocols.
What Clark sells is a distraction, and as long as people think they are doing something about their problems they are happy. In many cases the conditions disappear on their own and because people aer not well versed in critical thinking they make erroneous post hoc conclusions. - Edited #68736
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This is a reply to # 752,428"Wow, it must really be a slow day for me to respond to this nonsense."
Interesting..... I've noticed your way of insults. I suggest you go somewhere else then if you feel this information is Nonsense. Seems you feel you have better things to do... then go do them.
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This is a reply to # 751,321You are not the first nay-sayer to come along & you surely will not be the last...You ARE, however, the first to bring his canine pal into the fray(Scruffy..?) :)
Have you tried liver flushing? People recieve great health benefits from this simple therapy...
Suspend your disbelief... :)
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This is a reply to # 752,020I think Finallyfaith gave you a wrong page.
ashcaron, you believe that Liver Flush is useless.
All you ever tried was a single Liver Flush 6 years ago (you reported it in one of your messages). You did not say anything about symptoms that you were suffering from. Did you have gallstones? Attacks? Pain?
Imagine you are deficient of Vitamin A (just an example).
You are suffering from the next symptoms:
- Reduced night vision
- Night blindness
- Dry eyes
- Rough skin
- Dry skin
You meet me. I suggest you to take Beta-Carotene pills. (Beta-carotene is converted in the body to vitamin A) (Normally, I would suggest you to drink freshly pressed carrot juice, but for this example, my suggestion was Beta-Carotene pills.)
You take a single pill of Beta Carotene and you try to observe if there is any change in your symptoms:
- You find no change
You conclude: Beta-Carotene pills are useless in treating symptoms of Vitamin A deficiency.
Is your conclusion, as based on your personal experience, correct?
Would you come to the same conclusion if you tried Beta-Carotene pills for 15-30 days?
Is your conclusion, as based on your personal experience with Liver Flush, correct?
Would you come to the same conclusion if you tried Liver Flush 10 or 15 times ?
Here is my opinion: Liver flush can be useful to next people:
- people suffering from gallstone attacks
- people suffering from Acid Reflux
- people suffering from acne
- people suffering from allergies
- people suffering from indigestion/poor digestion
- people suffering from constipation
- people suffering from Lower Back Pain
- people suffering from Psoriasis
- people suffering from Eczema
- Abdominal Pain (Chronic)
- Bloating (Chronic)
and about 100 other ailments.
It can, but it doesn't have to. It can also have no effect on some people.
Liver flush can also make some people dislike it. But, very few.
In order to achieve health benefits, you will have to flush more then once, often 5, 10 or even 20 times. It depends on your condition, age, problems, and on how long you used medications to suppress symptoms before you started liver flushing.
People who used medications to suppress symptoms, often may need longer time to achieve cure, and some of them will never achieve it.
What is the base of my claims?
1 flush experience
There are 30 of 288 humans (10%) who flushed 1 times only:
//www.curezone.org/faq/p/r.asp?a=28,571,2826&s=21&u=10
4 of 30 (13%) reported cure of some symptoms:
//www.curezone.org/faq/p/r2.asp?a=28,571,2826&s=21&u=10&o=49&u2=6
2 flushes experience
There are 36 of 288 humans (12%) who flushed 2 times only:
//www.curezone.org/faq/p/r.asp?a=28,571,2826&s=21&u=10
8 of 35 (23%) reported cure of some symptoms:
//www.curezone.org/faq/p/r2.asp?a=28,571,2826&s=21&u=10&o=50&u2=6
3 flushes:
8 of 26 humans (31%) reported cure of some symptoms:
//www.curezone.org/faq/p/r2.asp?a=28,571,2826&s=21&u=10&o=51&u2=6
4 flushes:
12 of 29 humans (41%) reported cure of some symptoms:
//www.curezone.org/faq/p/r2.asp?a=28,571,2826&s=21&u=10&o=52&u2=6
5 flushes:
10 of 23 humans (43%) reported cure of some symptoms:
//www.curezone.org/faq/p/r2.asp?a=28,571,2826&s=21&u=10&o=53&u2=6
6 flushes:
8 of 22 humans (36%) reported cure of some symptoms:
//www.curezone.org/faq/p/r2.asp?a=28,571,2826&s=21&u=10&o=54&u2=6
7-10 flushes:
26 of 51 humans (51%) reported cure of some symptoms:
//www.curezone.org/faq/p/r2.asp?a=28,571,2826&s=21&u=10&o=55&u2=6
11-15 flushes:
8 of 16 humans (50%) reported cure of some symptoms:
//www.curezone.org/faq/p/r2.asp?a=28,571,2826&s=21&u=10&o=56&u2=6
To give you a simple table:
# flushes % humans cured
1 flush 13%
2 flushes 23%
3 flushes 31%
4 flushes 41%
5 flushes 43%
6 flushes 36%
7-10 flushes 51% (medium to large sample: 51 humans, a single human does not make big difference in the percentage)
11-15 flushes 50% (small sample: 16 humans ... a human can make a big difference in the percentage)
This table clearly illustrate benefits of repeating liver flush at least 7 to 15 times.
I have no time to provide links to all 100 ailments, but I will give you at least 25 links, so you can figure it yourself how to find the rest.
Filtering survey data is explained on this page:
//www.curezone.org/faq/p/r_how.asp?a=28,571,2826&s=21
If you follow the guidelines, you can find stats for over 200 health problems.
Here are a few pages I discovered for you only:
Gallstones Attack 91 of 397 humans reported suffering from
37 of 73 (51%) reported condition cured (question #6):
//www.curezone.org/faq/p/r2.asp?a=28,571,2826&s=21&u=2&o=11139&u2=6
34 of 70 (49%) reported condition improved (question #7):
//www.curezone.org/faq/p/r2.asp?a=28,571,2826&s=21&u=2&o=11139&u2=7
51% CURED! and the rest 49% reported condition improved!
Acid Reflux 95 of 397 reported suffering from Acid Reflux (question #2)
22 of 71 (31%) reported condition cured (question #6):
//www.curezone.org/faq/p/r2.asp?a=28,571,2826&s=21&u=2&o=11093&u2=6
27 of 65 (42%) reported condition improved (question #7):
//www.curezone.org/faq/p/r2.asp?a=28,571,2826&s=21&u=2&o=11093&u2=7
(why 22 of 71 only, why not 22 of 95? cause not all people answer all questions. number of those who answers decreases with every next question)
Acne(Chronic) 91 of 397 reported suffering from this incurable disease
10 of 66 (15%) reported condition cured (question #6):
//www.curezone.org/faq/p/r2.asp?a=28,571,2826&s=21&u=2&o=11094&u2=6
33 of 64 52% reported condition improved (question #7):
//www.curezone.org/faq/p/r2.asp?a=28,571,2826&s=21&u=2&o=11094&u2=7
Chronic Acne are considered incurable (but treatable) by medicine.
Acne Hormonal 47 of 397 reported suffering from
2 of 33 (6%) reported condition cured (question #6):
//www.curezone.org/faq/p/r2.asp?a=28,571,2826&s=21&u=2&o=11232&u2=6
7 of 33 21% reported condition improved (question #7):
//www.curezone.org/faq/p/r2.asp?a=28,571,2826&s=21&u=2&o=11232&u2=7
Allergies (chronic) 75 of 397 reported suffering from
10 of 53 (19%) reported condition cured (question #6):
//www.curezone.org/faq/p/r2.asp?a=28,571,2826&s=21&u=2&o=11965&u2=6
21 of 51 41% reported condition improved (question #7):
//www.curezone.org/faq/p/r2.asp?a=28,571,2826&s=21&u=2&o=11965&u2=7
Chronic Allergies are considered incurable (but treatable) by medicine.
Lower Back Pain 7 of 57 (12%) reported condition cured (question #6):
//www.curezone.org/faq/p/r2.asp?a=28,571,2826&s=21&u=2&o=11356&u2=6
Poor Digestion / Indigestion 7 of 70 (10%) reported condition cured (question #6):
//www.curezone.org/faq/p/r2.asp?a=28,571,2826&s=21&u=2&o=11185&u2=6
Psoriasis 1 of 9 11% reported condition cured (question #6):
//www.curezone.org/faq/p/r2.asp?a=28,571,2826&s=21&u=2&o=11236&u2=6
Psoriasis is considered incurable by medicine, but in some cases it is treatable.
Eczema / Excema / Contact Dermatitis 4 of 29 14% reported condition cured
//www.curezone.org/faq/p/r2.asp?a=28,571,2826&s=21&u=2&o=11127&u2=6
Eczema is considered incurable by medicine, but in some cases it is treatable.
Anxiety (Chronic) 6 of 61 (10%) reported condition cured
//www.curezone.org/faq/p/r2.asp?a=28,571,2826&s=21&u=2&o=11098&u2=6
Abdominal Pain (Chronic) 14 of 74 (19%) reported condition cured
//www.curezone.org/faq/p/r2.asp?a=28,571,2826&s=21&u=2&o=11092&u2=6
Bloating (Chronic) 13 of 103 (13%) reported condition cured
//www.curezone.org/faq/p/r2.asp?a=28,571,2826&s=21&u=2&o=11104&u2=6
Constipation (Chronic) 4 of 86 (5%) reported condition cured
//www.curezone.org/faq/p/r2.asp?a=28,571,2826&s=21&u=2&o=11116&u2=6
Fatigue 6 of 92 (7%) reported condition cured
//www.curezone.org/faq/p/r2.asp?a=28,571,2826&s=21&u=2&o=11217&u2=6
Cholesterol: High Total Cholesterol: LDL + HDL + VLDL ("bad" + "good") 2 of 35 6%
reported condition cured
//www.curezone.org/faq/p/r2.asp?a=28,571,2826&s=21&u=2&o=11149&u2=6
And so on ... there are over 200 health problems listed in that survey ... medicine considers quite a few of them treatable but incurable.
Filtering survey data is explained on this page:
//www.curezone.org/faq/p/r_how.asp?a=28,571,2826&s=21
If you follow the guidelines, you can find stats for over 200 health problems.
Hundred of people reported CURE!
It is your turn now. Give me the data showing that Liver-Flush is useless.
I just showed you how useful it is, even for people with real gallstones. 51% symptom free!
White Shark- One more page ... White Shark
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This is a reply to # 752,043I just got an idea. Let's take it one step further.
How many flushes done by those who experienced disappearance of symptoms?
Gallstones Attack
37 of 73 (51%) reported condition cured (question #6):
//www.curezone.org/faq/p/r2.asp?a=28,571,2826&s=21&u=2&o=11139&u2=6
How many flushes have those people done?
//www.curezone.org/faq/p/r3.asp?a=28,571,2826&s=21&u=2&o=11139&u2=6&o2=10154...
1 flush 2 of 33 (6%)
2 flushes 1 of 33 (3%)
3 flushes 2 of 33 (6%)
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1 - 3 flushes 5 of 33
4 flushes 4 of 33 (12%)
5 flushes 1 of 33 (3%)
6 flushes 2 of 33 (6%)
7 to 10 flushes 8 of 33 (24%)
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4 - 10 flushes 15 of 33 (48%)
11 to 15 flushes 3 of 33 (9%)
16 to 20 flushes 3 of 33 (9%)
20 to 30 flushes 3 of 33 (9%)
30 to 40 flushes 2 of 33 (6%)
50 to 75 flushes 1 of 33 (3%)
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11 - 75 flushes 12 of 33
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To group the data to get the clear picture
1 - 3 flushes 5 of 33 (15%) 5 of 73
4 - 10 flushes 15 of 33 (45%) 15 of 73
11 - 75 flushes 12 of 33 (36%) 12 of 73
As you can see
people cured in the group 1 - 3 flushes 5 of total sample (73 people)
people cured in the group 4 - 10 flushes 15 of total sample (73 people)
people cured in the group 11 - 75 flushes 12 of total sample (73 people)
Conclusion: of 73 who reported Gallstones attacks, great majory of those cured (33 cured) flushed more then 1 time (cure defined as being symptoms free).
Give me some fresh fatty young seal to eat, I am hungry now.
White Shark- Edited #68736
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- Do not put that in my big mouth, I m... White Shark
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This is a reply to # 752,049You said:
"proof for the effectiveness of this method for the removal of gallstones. "
For the record, I never said that this method is effective in removal of gallstones.
I said, by citing stats, that this method can be used to eliminate symptoms associated with Gallstones ( Gallstones attacks, indigestion, bloating) and also other symptoms that may not always be associated with gallstones, like acne, allergies, psoriasis, eczema, etc.
There is no simple way to know if people diagnosed with Gallstones actually pass gallstones, not without expensive laboratory analysis.
But, it is possible in case of calcified stones. No need for expensive laboratory analysis! Just use any kitchen knife available. (it is available in every kitchen)
How many people reported passing calcified stones (very hard stones)?
We know the answer to this question.
Hard "Stone"? Have you ever gotten a very hard "stone"? "Stone" that could not be cut with a kitchen knife?
//www.curezone.org/faq/p/r.asp?a=28,571,2826&s=21&u=19
Yes, one of my flushes produced the hard stone(s). 20 of 279 (7%)
Yes, two of my flushes produced the hard stones. 3 of 279 (1%)
Yes, three of my flushes produced the hard stones. 3 of 279 (1%)
Yes, four of my flushes produced the hard stones. 1 of 279 (0%)
Yes, many of my flushes produced the hard stones. 2 of 279 (1%)
29 of 279 (10%) people reported passing calcified or protein rich stones during at least one single flush
The problem here is: How many of those 279 had calcified stones before the flush?
We don't know.
It could be that there were only 29 of them, but could be also 100 people.
We don't know, and we can not know.
Hard "Stone"? How many people do you know who passed hard "stones"? ("stones" that could not be cut with a kitchen knife)?
//www.curezone.org/faq/p/r.asp?a=28,571,2826&s=21&u=20
1 person. 12 of 277 4%
2 persons. 8 of 277 3%
Total of 28 people.
So, we have 29 people who answered survey, and oustide there are 28 other people who claim that stones were hard.
So, now, you can put that in my mouth.
Yes, some people who have hard stones (calcified or protein rich) will be able to get some or all of them out. How many %? Nobody knows.
Any other people ?
look here:
//www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=61974#i
Other kind of stones diagnosed by ultasound?
//www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=62011#i
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