Vekky, do you have a link to the false prophecies that you say he gave in December of 2016. I would love to hear them. I know sometimes I have heard him give predictions which he says it is the way he feels and it is not anything the Lord told him. It is just something he thinks. We all do that. I would like to hear him say he had a vision of something that did not come true, or that the Lord told him something that did not come true. I can understand that he may not have interpreted a vision correctly. Preferably, I would like to see this in a video so I can see it for myself. There are just too many lies in articles. There are lots of lies in videos too, but at least I can figure them out better for myself when I can actually observe the person that they are persecuting.
This is a link Loquat put up a while back. This is a pro-Sundar website, and what Sundar says the Lord showed him is written out, but there is also a video at the bottom where you can hear him say these things for himself:
Thank you. Interesting, it doesn't look good for Sundar. I wonder what his problem is. My red flag just went up for him. Thanks for providing a source that is credible. James Bailey was also stating prophecies from others that I definitely don't believe. I'll listen to the rest of it tomorrow. I'm too tired now.
I'm glad to hear that Rainy and I'm sorry if I sounded harsh today, which I'm sure I did. I just don't want you to think the only reason I would warn against someone like Sundar is because I have an agenda to promote my own doctrinal understandings. I just don't want to see anyone listening to someone that is leading people astray. It's the same reason I would warn Tansybelle against Kenneth Copeland. Kenneth Copeland is very dangerous from all I've seen and I don't want to see Tansybelle taken in by anyone like him. Did you see that video I put up where Kenneth Copeland claims Adam was God in the flesh and all kinds of other horrific things? And yet people still follow him in droves. :(
And Rainy, you know I've always admired you for being able to come in here and admit when you see you might be wrong about something. Not everyone can do that.
Thank you. I just want the truth. I pray for the truth. I pray constantly for the Lord to take any false beliefs out of me. I am not interested in helping the devil out. I would rather quit than do that. My doctrinal beliefs did not change with my Sundar experience, but my faith level in Sundar definitely changed. He is only a man. Thanks again. Hope bitcoin goes through the roof for those who may have bought in.
Rainy and Tansybelle, just wanted to say I read all your comments but I've got a bad cold (not as blessed as you Refreshed, lol *inside joke) so I'm just going to be laying low probably and staying off of here to rest and recover. I don't know if it's the same everywhere else right now but where I am the seasonal illnesses have been starting out with a bang this year. Urggghhhh! Talk to ya'll later. :)
So sorry that it finally got you too as it has so many others. I don't know why we get so superstitious about giving a praise about something like wellness, unless it's true the devil just wants to take one's praise and cause doubt in a believer by causing a sudden sickness to then come upon them. I don't like how the devil causes me to think in the back of my mind that I'm next to get sick. Why can't christians keep a positive mindset about it and just thank Jesus for all that He does and enjoy the wellness?
Of course I'm talking about a spiritual mindset and not a worldly one. The worldly mindset knows that the world is full of disease and sickness and fears it. And even christians let their minds consider it, because we are in the world...we are exposed to the world due to our flesh. But I'm talking about a spiritual mindset, to where we think of wellness, over sickness. Love over hate. Peace over war. That sort of thing, as we take note of what we are doing physically to be healthier and build our bodies to withstand many of the fleshly attacks that we must endure.
I might need to start not only keeping a written diary of what I do to try and keep healthy, but side by side to that log, put my spiritual mindset for the day...to see what I need to pray about in case those fears start creeping in. For fear/doubt will surely affect our health.
Philippians 4:6-7 Do not be anxious about anything, but in every situation, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God. And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.
It's just a cold. I have no fear of stuff like that really. Heck I don't really even fear the flu, although maybe slightly I suppose. These acute illnesses are not even worth mentioning compared to what I've been through in my life with health issues. It's the chronic stuff that's hard and then of course when you get a cold or something on top of everything else, it just drains you a little more than usual but it leaves as fast as it comes too. I've been very ill most of my life, over 32 years now. It's definitely been a learning process in learning to trust the Lord in all things even when all understanding goes out the window. But he's good no matter what. That's what I've learned. And so I've gotten better with the fear. And I've learned to find joy despite suffering. And the love of the world has lost much of it's grip on me.
Our stories are not all the same, that's for sure. I love that video I posted the other day where the man talked about what was wrong with socialism. He said some have this desire to level the playing field, but in this world, it wasn't meant to be that way. God doesn't bless everyone with riches, and he doesn't bless everyone with health, some are beautiful, some are not, some live to ripe old ages, some die super young, some are hugely talented, some are not, some are born in freer countries, some are not, some are good with grammar, some are not :), and on and on we could go in showing how the playing field is never going to be level here. But as that man said, we need to all be thankful for what we do have. But most importantly, we need to put our hope firmly in the gospel and all it's promises because no matter how blessed we are in this world, even if we live to a ripe old age filled with love and physical blessings, it still goes by so quickly. My grandmother is 95 and she constantly tells me her life has gone by so fast. I don't even want to live to be 95 to be honest. I long for eternal life with Jesus in a new glorified body, in the place he's preparing for us that will be so good we can't even imagine it, where there is no more envy, no more strife, no more fear, no more discontentment, no more suffering, no more pain, no more sin, but just unimaginable joy and love and awesomeness forever.
I used to be really sad over the things I've missed in my life because of illness, but I'm learning to get over that too. Whatever I've missed here doesn't even matter in light of eternal life with Jesus. The hardest part is probably not being able to serve others in all the ways I would want to. That part does really hurt but that's all part of the non-level playing field in this world too. Some are the carers and some are the ones cared for. But I still find what I can do in service to others, even if it's not to my contentment, but I need to learn to be content even in that. God knows my desires and if he holds some of them from me, I fully believe he has a good reason for it.
Physical blessings in this world are wonderful, no doubt. But they are also fleeting.
Eph. 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ...
2 Corinthians 4:16
16 So we do not lose heart. Though our outer self is wasting away, our inner self is being renewed day by day.
Confusing the creation with its Creator is a rookie error, and is expressly either precluded or condemned in Jn 1 and Rom 1. Christianity should have no truck with either animism or pantheism, and identifying Adam with God again smacks of Mormon theology.
Well I don't know enough about Copeland to directly answer you, they look rich, I did post about them especially the one on healings as that video was pretty incredible and I thought people would like to make their own minds up about it. Apart from that I don't follow Copeland I prefer to listen to some of Wilkersons but not so much these days as I like Derek Prince, he is easy to follow and understand, my favourite person to listen to. Others won't agree with me. I do like watching some of Sid as well, but not all. I don't know anything about Bakker or Benny Hinn, I did watch Hinn on youtube yesterday and there was millions of dollars coming into his ministry, I was dumbfounded, it seemed an easy way to make big money. I don't believe in asking anyone for any money to spread the word of God, I would be happy to spread the word for free, the Internet can reach out to the masses. However if anyone wants to offer me millions of pounds to do that, that's up to them but personally I think that money could be better spent than chucking it towards Benny, that money could do great work in the name of God helping others, it's not just about ministering or making Hinn rich. Everyone here seems to have differing views within Christianity. I look for motivation within Christianity to bring me closer to God And grow my faith, my faith is much stronger now but I have to confess that I find some people boring who teach the word and there is nothing in it to motivate me. I look for motivation. Not everyone will agree with my choices and would like to tell me Im going about it wrongly and I should be carful but I'm walking a path that I find motivating and moves me forward in God otherwise I wouldn't be where I am now.
I think this is the Hinns take for Game For A Laugh! Game For A Laugh is a UK show that people send in funny video clips. I'm not sure what the British would make of it, it's not something that's put on the t v. over here by the major broadcasting network.
No, I didn't hear that video on Kenneth Copeland, but I have heard him say so many false things that I very seldom listen to him. If I do listen it is with red flags raised.
You gave credible proof this time regarding someone I was listening to which in this case was Sundar. Of course, it's not like I was listening to a lot of his stuff or even knew him for a long time. I just heard about him when Trump was running for office. Once a prophet makes mistakes that bad I lose faith in them. It's happened to me before on just prophets that I have been following without anyone's help. It just seems like you are against them all so I tend not to listen to you. This time you were right.
You do not seem to understand god you do not see when you are tested a prophet being true does not mean anything when he teaches wrong things
If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and gives you a sign or a wonder, And the sign or the wonder comes to pass, of which he spoke unto you, and he says, Let us go after other gods, which you have not known, and let us serve them; You shall not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God is testing you, to know whether you love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. Deuteronomy 13:1-3