Reversing polarity, according to the technical expert in the CS field that I trust, says that it isn't better or worse, it's unneeded from a technical standpoint. The only negative is that it's an extra component added to the circuitry that can fail.
Try not to keep racking your mind about all the differences in the posted info. Instead realize that their are substantiated by science research facts and there are opinions (some respectable of course, some not so much). And most posts that favor one or the other don't necessarily go over exactly why they do.(especially the ones basing their understanding on either personal ideas or web site information which has no science evidence to go along that information).
Keep reading the past posts or use a dictionary. Ionic Silver is (always) Colloidal, (the terms were differentiated at a time in the past by business interests trying to manipulate, confuse and denigrate one over the other. (Karma can be a 'B' when the tide turns tho and now they are skeedadling to keep their feet dry)
If you look(search) at past threads and posts you will find loads of links to science research on Ionic Silver and it's efficacy. Or go to Griz's doc page
or online, heres a link of a search
and heres one of hundreds of reports on Ionic C Silver vs Non Ionic (Regular) C Silver (they are both particulate)
“Beginning in 1973, in vitro studies demonstrated that such ions (of Silver) were an effective antibiotic with a very broad spectrum and favorable quantitative evaluations compared with synthetic antibiotics…The failure of other nontoxic metal ions to produce a similar alteration with the same electrical parameters strongly indicates that the electrically generated silver ion is the agent responsible for the observed cellular changes…Healing rates in these wounds are significantly accelerated and are accompanied by enhanced healing of the bone, soft tissue, nerve, and skin, with replacement of missing tissues by histologically normal tissues…The responsible agent for these cellular effects is believed to be the electrically generated silver ion”.
-- Becker, Robert O. 2000. Effects of electrically generated silver ions on human cells and wound healing. Electro- and Magnetobiology, 19(1), 1-19.)
Thank you Grizz and vairagi and Brightsideoflife...and everyone else that has helped me on this thread!!
You guys have seriously answered most of my questions!! :D
I do have just a few more. I will read through the links posted, but just to clarify
So, the Tyndall effect is better NOT to have MUD, so it's better for there to be no or very little line going through the solution, correct?
If so, then on BigBear's youtube videos for his ebay generator, he says the opposite that it's better to have a smooth bright line going through the solution and he shows on this video part 3 at this exact location: https://youtu.be/5ZTBSAalh8U?t=394
Does that mean in teh above video example, he has MUD and it's not ideal silver...so his settings were wrong in making or he overcooked the batch?
I think the silvertron is more set and forget, right... Just set it to low milliamp (1 - 3Ma?) ... and let it run until it shuts off?
When you say: "I suggest that you put a voltmeter across the anode & cathode to watch voltage and place a milliammeter in series with the anode to see what you are doing. You want the FACTS not opinions."
What voltage would I look for ? I'm going to test the voltage with my new utopia generator. And then place a milliamp meter on the anode to see what that reads... I need to see if I have a Ma reader.
So, if the voltage and Ma reading is ideal on the utopia generator, then in theory it will do just as good a job as the silvertron or other generator, correct? I don't think they list the electric measurements for the unit, so I would have to do it myself I believe.
For your silvertron unit, did they ship you the stainless steel electrode to use with the silver bar? Or where did you buy/get it?
And then one last thing Grizz, when you finish your batch of 20-30ppm silver, I assume thats for internal use? Are you converting it after like what the mod recommends on the csforum? Or are you just directly bottling it after it finishes to the end of the process?
You will need to agitate the water all through the processing to avoid the agglomeration you are seeing, or if it's even worse(even larger clumps of particles), flocculation, oh my,: like clouds or smoke. And as you've posted realizing it's importance, the amps may not be on the low side, comparatively.
(I had a Utopia unit years ago. I think I may dig it up and check it's Voltage and it's Ampere output for the record.)
btw: since you had an origami piece uploaded https://peterdahmen.de/
I agree with Griz. He has done the research. Stirring with Aeration is best by being an advantage in creating nascent oxygen (which has no deleterious affect on the water, as some have been fooled by special interests into believing, and a decided deleterious effect on pathogens), and only negated from past, false, undocumented, advertising (and those with personal opinions too strong to be influenced by science).
Research has shown that Polarity reversal is unneeded if we are concerned about oxide particulate entering the mix in anything other than viewed flakes. There is no major creation and or release of oxides of silver problem in any case. Cleaning the silver is certainly no big deal.
Its the size of the silver ion atoms groupings (particles) that are the most important thing to consider when buying a generator or making one (why not, as BS shares, DIY, since the info is so clear and available now), and the determining factor in particle size is the very low current and small ratio of voltage to current used (according to the research and TENS photos)(the whole difficulty in starting electrolysis in distilled water at low voltage is another topic not often considered or well understood, even by techs, since it's only a situation, as far as I'm aware of, in the LVDC CS generation).
"The constant aeration of the water also prevents excessive electrolysis from building up in the solution. This is important, because when using a standard colloidal silver generator, the electrical conductivity of the entire colloidal silver solution is increased dramatically as more silver particles enter the water. In turn, this increased electrical conductivity causes additional silver particles to be drawn from the positive silver electrode at a faster rate and at a significantly larger size. (By keeping) the entire colloidal silver solution super-aerated during the colloidal-silver making process, the buildup of excessive electrical conductivity is dramatically mitigated, because air is one of nature's least conductive elements. Super-aerating the water prevents excessive electrical conductivity from building up, which in turn prevents additional silver particles from being drawn from the positive silver electrode at an excessively fast rate that results in excessively large particles". http://www.thesilveredge.com/aboutmicro.shtml#.WAOeh9LrtT0