Ok. I’ve been working on copper / metal detox for a couple of years now. Time for an update. Where does the time go?
Not sure whether I should thank Laredo or curse her for pointing many of us in this direction.
While detoxing … you will get worse before you get better and possibly for a long time depending on how many toxins are sequestered away.
Laredo warned us
I definitely got worse before I got better...all my symptoms intensified.
Keep this in mind whether you are doing the Cutler Protocol or Nutritional Balancing. You will get worse as toxins come out.
Here is a link to a trend of my hair analysis, which is discussed more below.
In the spreadsheet, Blue cells are values below ideal range. Orange Cells are above ideal range
The graphs don’t show on my android tablet for some reason…so better if you are on a desktop.
The trends are kind of cool and definitely show movement over time.
Here is my latest test http://curezone.com/upload/_A_Forums/Adrenal_Fatigue/20130620_feo_ARL_masked.pdf
Before working on Detox
Summer of 2011
Instead of smooth finger tips, I had fingerprints again !..... Indicating collagen breakdown had slowed and was able to repair better.
I had pretty much calmed my nervous system with meditation and breathing exercises.
Phase 1 - Copying Laredo
After seeing the success Laredo had focusing on copper detox, I read Giddlemans book. It seemed to fit me quite well, just based on the symptoms.
Starting around Sept 2011, I started the Cutler Protocol for copper detox like Laredo did. I also switched to high zinc, low copper foods as per Ann-Louise Giddlemans book.
Well.... I thought I was going to DIE. All of a sudden, I was only getting about 2 hours sleep per night.
I was very close to having to quit work. I was scared to go anywhere since I often felt like I was going to collapse.
My body temperature dropped (copper affects thyroid). My bowel movements became pretty much white (indicating my liver could not clear all the copper that was coming out of storage).
My skin became super scaly. I also got bad psoriasis. I stopped going for massages since I was too embarrassed how my skin looked.
“My skin looks like someone 90 years old the last few days.”
My fingertips became smooth again. So the copper detox was raising cortisol, resulting in reduced collagen formation.
I took a break from zinc. My body temperature came up a bit and my bowel movements became darker. Started sleeping better again.
“ I stopped taking 100 mg of zinc last Wednesday. My stools have darkened up a little each day. Skin has improved a little and generally feel better.”
This is very important to note. Just stopping one simple mineral (zinc) made me feel better. I had not even heard of Endo-Met at this point. But stopping any supplement that is making you detox will make you feel better. It does not mean that the specific supplements are bad … just that they are making you detox.
Anyhow …this convinced me that it was copper detox, even though I had not used hair analysis yet. I tried for about 4 months on my own. Then I decided to consult with Ann-Louise Giddleman
I couldn’t do it as fast as Laredo. She took 6 months off work to just lie in bed while she worked on detoxing copper.
Phase 2- Working with Ann-Louise Giddleman
My first hair analysis showed high copper. The first test was 5 months after working on copper detox, so copper was likely higher than it would have been before I started. It would have been nice to see where it was before I started doing the cutler protocol and pulling out copper.
That is a key point to remember. Very low toxic metals on your first hair analysis is often a sign that they are just in storage. Oddly, the lower the toxic metals show, the more toxic you probably are, since it means you are not removing any.
If your body does not have enough energy to even try to remove them, they just continue get stored over the years, and won’t initially show up in the hair.
Ann-Louise uses TEI for a lab, so that is why the first few labs in the link above show more things tested for. TEI tests for a few more minerals than ARL.
I did learn a few things from Ann-Louise. But it is $200 to talk to her for 30-minutes, and I had no feedback or guidance in between the 3 month retests. Felt a little lonely.
I made some improvements. She was surprised that my copper kept climbing and she thought I might be exposed to a source of copper. But because symptoms got so much worse when I took zinc, I knew it was copper coming from the inside and not from exposure to copper pipes, etc.
Plus …. I lived in a couple of locations for work (different water source, different pipes), and my copper continued to climb regardless of where I lived. The locations were 3000 km apart.
Ann-Louise mentioned that eventually, other metals will increase as they come out of storage. It just hadn’t happened yet.
After 8-months of working Ann-Louise, I figured I would give one of the Wilson practitioners a try. I liked the idea of constant feedback and ability to ask questions as things came up.
I STILL could not tolerate any zinc. The detox symptoms were just too much, and my bowel movements were almost white when I did. And my skin was horribly scaly. I just could not clear the toxins (copper) be released from storage.
But she really helped me understand how EMF is a source of stress, and how you can protect yourself. I would recommend the following books on EMF protection:
Phase 3 - ARL / Wilson practitioner
I picked Pam Killeen from Larry Wilsons web-site and started working with her.
By this time, I understood that it was more than just a copper issue. All toxins accumulate during years of stress.
During stress, toxins are not eliminated well. Stress lowers glutathione levels, as well as vitamin C levels, both of which are needed to remove toxins. And when you finally collapse into stage 3 … they accumulate even faster due to lack of energy.
Pam makes it clear at the beginning that you will get worse before you get better. I completely understood that after seeing Laredo’s experience and my own so far.
She is also a stickler for coffee enemas, and feels they are very important to increase the amount of bile (full of toxins) your gallbladder can release. Get your liver/gallbladder working better…. and clearance issues will improve, detox speed will increase, and symptoms will lessen.
So I reluctantly started the coffee enemas … with only ½ teaspoon at first.
She also insisted I start zinc again to help lower copper. I told her I haven’t been able to tolerate zinc for almost one year.
After a couple of days after starting the coffee enemas (CE), I was able to tolerate zinc without feeling completely horrible. Rather than the copper just circulating around and making me feel horrible, the CE’s encourage elimination.
You can see from the trends that copper continues to increase after almost 2 years. (Such a long post, here is the link again).
The only time elimination slowed down (copper dropped, aluminum dropped, calcium dropped) is when there was a death in the family. So I was grieving, plus right back to working 50 hrs per week. It was a pretty stressful time.
Again… it is hard for the body to eliminate toxins when exposed to stress.
On the last test 06/20/2013, my copper is higher.... yet again. But also my aluminum has also shot up, indicating that I now have enough energy to remove it as well as the copper.
Lead is trending up as well.
And so is calcium (which indicates bio-unavailable calcium coming out of joints, etc) More on calcium elimination below.
My sodium has increased. I am sweating for the first time in 10-yrs. Up until recently, I hated doing the saunas since I didn’t sweat. The lamps would just burn my skin, but my body could not sweat to cool itself off.
Where Am I Now?
It is a mix of feeling better and worse. Detox is still rough. However, symptoms that I have had for years are slowly going away. Some I didn’t even know were connected, since I had them long before I crashed.
For example, for years I always had a lot of plaque at the dentist. They had to work really hard to clean my teeth. They would always end up bringing out the power tools. I went for a cleaning couple of weeks ago and after a few minutes with the hand pick she said:
“That’s it… hardly any plaque… only a little bit on the lower inside, where calcium comes out a saliva duct”.
Bingo… all that plaque for many years was bio-unavailable calcium or surplus calcium. Now that I am eliminating it, there is less to form plaque. So she didn’t need to use the Dremel Multi-tool.
I had a filling repaired this week. For years, it would KILL me to keep my mouth open for the dentist since my jaw hurt so bad. They would have to tell me every minute or so “Open Up!”
I was able to get through this filling with no jaw pain. I am sure the joint pain I had over the years was calcium deposits in my jaw.
I have had dry scaly skin for years. It is now super soft and smooth now. Pretty sure this is due to improved clearance, since my skin was at its worst when my bowel movements were almost white.
Here is a post from a couple of months ago listing some other positives.
Not All a Bed of Roses
Now…. Detoxing is rough. After two years, I still have copper and metals coming out. In some ways, I am “worse”, but that is life for a detoxer. At least for a while.
I went through periods of headaches so bad I almost vomited. They have passed, and I haven’t had a headache for a long time.
I had bad psoriasis for a few months, but that has passed.
My insomnia is still bad. My theory is that when you rest, the body takes advantage of the time to move toxins along. I can actually hear (and feel) my gallbladder releasing at night in bed.
I catch every cold or flu now, and I get sicker than others. All the metals coming out is really taxing my immune system. So any additional burdens are not tolerated as well as before detoxing. I know this will pass too.
My post exertion crash is worse … for now.
But having symptoms go away little by little is motivating. Especially symptoms I didn`t even know were connected since I have had them so long.
And seeing the toxins increase in the hair is motivating too. I know I am getting rid of them.
Is There Another Way?
Sure. There are other ways. Dr Neville mentioned to Laredo that once the adrenals were in better shape, copper and other toxins would start to come out.
But in my case, if this is where I am after two years of aggressively working on detox …. How long would that have taken?
If you actively get rid of the metals quicker, your body will be less burdened by them, and will function better.
Don’t know how good I’ll feel when all these metals are out … we’ll see. But I like the positive progress I am having.
And the metals were not doing any good lying in cells all over my body, affecting their function.…. So we’ll see.
Laredo is one of the very few people on this forum to be able to say:
“I feel great … I have my life back …”
And she credits copper detox is one of the main reasons. So I am very hopeful this will be a major help for me.
Onwards also posted this:
“Welcome easanchez! It is nice to have you here on the forum. NB is a great program and many are having success with it.
You can click on my avatar to read my story. I am almost completely healed and doing really well.”
She is still doing nutritional balancing by the way. She has switched to TEI from ARL. There are differences I don’t completely understand about the programs. TEI seems to recognize copper deficiency more than ARL. Dr Eck and Larry Wilson are more focused on copper toxicity
For me, the copper detox is working great. It is there .. it is not mythical. Here it is .
Hey …if it stops working for me, I’ll tell you.
I was posting lots of positives about Dr Lam for a while here too. When I wasn’t getting anywhere with him, I dropped him, and started trashing him on this forum since any positive about him meant I was wrong.
This is pretty much what some of you are doing. You have decided you don’t like the NB program and any info that doesn’t reinforce that belief is a threat to you.
I get it… I did that with Lam, and still do a little bit. But that is what you are doing.
Dr Paul Eck and Ann-Louise have great information on how chronic stress and weak adrenal lead to copper toxicity. Implants are not required.
It is not the source of the copper that is important. It is the inability to remove it due to chronic stress and weak adrenals.
The detox symptoms are mostly insomnia right now. And I just have to be careful not to overdo it since the metals coming out is already using enough energy. It is a lot of work to get the metals out, but you can see them increasing in my hair.
But there are many many positives. Symptoms continue to go away one by one..
I am sweating for the first time in 10-yrs. My sodium is up, indicating improved adrenal strength, so I can retain water.. and therefore I sweat now.
I don’t crave salt any more. And the reason is right there in my hair. My sodium is higher. It jumped up at the same time I started sweating.
I don’t have headaches anymore.
I have super smooth and soft skin now. It was dry and scaly for years.
No more prostate pain
No more anxiety
No more psoriasis (although it was worse at the start of copper detox, I haven’t had it for close to one year)
No more jaw pain
And to my surprise … no more plaque buildup. Didn’t even know that was a symptom.
No more dizzy spells
No more blurred vision
No more heat intolerance
No more joint pain
No more weak legs going up the stairs
No more urinary urgency / frequent urination
No more hypoglycemia
No more gas or cramps
No more brain fog
No more muscle cramps (haven’t had those for a year)
No more anxiety
I am not a NB shill. I have been around this forum a lot longer than you guys and have tried everything under the sun. This is really working for me.
Do not try to explain away my progress. I have been dealing with this for over 10-yrs. I know my body and I know when something is working.
I am sorry if my getting better doesn’t reinforce your beliefs.
Perhaps you guys can focus on the positive aspects of your own protocols and how they are working for you rather than getting all excited because someone is doing well on a program you don’t believe in.
Also, why not simply be happy that people are getting better .. regardless of what they are doing.
If this stops working for me …. I’ll be back here looking for the next thing to try, and you guys can say I told you so, and we can all have a good laugh.
I really didn't think it was going to take two years to do this when I started .... but that is what it is taking so far. You can see it in my hair analysis. And others have mentioned that it is not uncommon for it to take that long. For some it takes two years before they start to see any improvements (now that takes faith).
Normal people can remove metals. But normal people are not stuck in fight or flight 24/7
People like us, that will eventually end up with adrenal fatigue never return to homeostasis. That is why we are often hypervigilent, have super-fast reflexes, jump when someone comes up behind them. We are always in “war” mode.
When stuck in a state of stress Vitamin C gets burned up rapidly. When we eventually crash, we start taking vitamin C, but I went through the first 37 years of my life being sympathetic dominant, burning up Vitamin C at a high rate, not taking any Vitamin C. Sure some from diet, but not nearly enough for being sympathetic dominant to the extreme .
This book does a great job of explaining how Vitamin C gets used up more quickly during stress. It also has lots of evidence how good Vitamin C is at reducing the absorb of metals and acting as a chelator to remove them.
There are a few doctors that actually use high doses of Vitamin C as a Chelator.
So Low Vitamin C from stress = Less metals removed over your lifetime.
Glutathione is also reduced during chronic stress. This also reduces the ability of the body to process toxins.
Then…when you eventually crash .. .toxins accumulate at a faster rate. Then if you have toxins in all of your cells and organs, this further reduces energy and increases stress.
Like many other things with AF, it is a positive feedback loop …. And not self-correcting.
So to pull out of it, you need work on both ends. Support the adrenals, lots of rest to conserve energy. Take certain supplements to pull the toxins into circulation, which is where the detox symptoms come in.
Meditation and other lifestyle changes to reduce sympathetic dominance.
And for those on the Wilson version of Nutritional Balancing type plan, use coffee enemas to increase glutathione and facilitate easier removal of toxins. Plus use a near infrared sauna to sweat out toxins through the skin. And maybe some dry skin brushing.
I am still trying to understand it all myself. But it is based on the research of Dr Paul Eck, who was the originally developer of the nutritional balancing program.