You say-

" Real gallstones will only smell as long as the bacteria is still alive and well and them."

I didn't know hard faceted rocks could have bacteria in them. How is this possible?

I never said this, at least live bacteria.  

You have repeatedly stated that the balls you passed were round and rubbery, not hard and faceted like real gallstones.  Those round, "rubbery" balls you keep describing over and over are saponified olive oil formed in the intestines from the "liver flushes".  As the oil congeals it traps intestinal bacteria thus causing the smell you describe. 

The only bacteria that would be present in real gallstones would have been trapped during the formation, but would be dead and thus not creating any smell.  Just like how bacteria form gold nuggets, but they do not make the gold nuggets smell.

How could one cup of room temperature olive oil that I drank, turn into two and a half cups of hard rubber balls in my body, when my body temperature is much warmer than room temperature?

Simple, the oil does not congeal on its own.  It is turned in to those "rubber balls" through a process known as saponification.  This requires other components.  In this case bile making up a large part of these soap stones.  Also note that these soap stones are not as dense as the oil nor the bile so this also causes them to take up more volume.

Also keep in mind that the volume you state is much more than a normal gallbladder can hold.  Which is more proof that those rubber balls did not come from the gallbladder.  Especially when we consider the fact that it takes years for gallstones to grow yet you keep passing volumes of these rubber balls more frequently that that.  So again, the only real explanation is that they were formed in the intestines as part of the "liver flush".  Especially when they do not have the color, texture, shape or hardness of real gallstones.

And where did the yellow liquid floating in the toilet around them come from?

Unless you have that yellow liquid analyzed there is no telling what it even is.  Have it tested by your doctor friend's lab and get back to me on what it is.

You have said over and over that I put them in the freezer so they wouldn't melt. Why did M tell me to put them in the freezer if they don't melt?

Maybe M did not realize the fact either that real gallstones will not melt at slightly higher temperatures.  Again, people have posted that these so called "stones" melted in the sun.  Real gallstones will not do that.

In fact, if you check the melting point of real gallstones it is around 300F.  That is much hotter than room temperature and even body temperature and nearly 3 times as hot as our hottest days in summer and I live in a desert.

So once again, why do you have to freeze these "rubber balls" if they are real gallstones?  The answer is simple, they are not gallstones.  They are saponified oil that melts at a considerably lower temperature.

Annie is a HE???? How did you know that????

If you would learn to read we could save a lot of time.  I did not call Annie a "he".  I was referring to you.  Go back and read the post, I was talking about the person who was referring to these blobs as "rubbery balls".  That is you.  Annie never said anything about this.  I know you are desperately trying to win this debate by any means possible, but when you keep making up things like this you waste both your time and my time.  It also makes you look less credible.

In retrospect I would like see what might grow out of those stones and regret throwing them away.

Hey, you pass them pretty much every time you do a "flush"  So do one again and actually get them analyzed this time.  That will prove once and for all that they are not real gallstones.

But M said they would eventually completely disintegrate if you didn't keep then in the refrigerator. And it didn't seem like a good idea to keep disease in the fridge with food, not even sealed.

And real gallstones would not disintegrate.  So you are providing even more solid evidence that they were not real gallstones.

The remembrance of saving my beloveds sperm in a jar and the horrible stench that resulted, made me put the directly in the freezer, awaiting P.s arrival.

He is a doctor. He told me they were gall stones. Are you calling him a liar???
Watch out what you say boy. Calling doctors liars will get you in big trouble.

I did not call your doctor friend a liar.  Doctors make mistakes all the time, mainly because most of them are highly incompetent.  I could give you numerous examples of doctor incompetence I personally witnessed.  Again, this is why I have not been to a doctor in 31 years.  I did not go when I had a 107F fever with the measles.  I did not go when I was bit by the brown recluse.  I did not go when I got side swiped by a van while riding my bicycle.  I did not go when I fell on the fence and lacerated my liver........  Doctors, especially in this state scare me due to their low knowledge of how the body works and their very high degree of incompetence.

For example, the fact that your doctor friend was not aware that real gallstones are not round and rubbery says a lot.  And he removes gallbladders for a living?  I wonder how many unnecessary operations to remove gallbladders has he done?!!!

you say "the fact that real gallstones are not "rubbery" but rather calcified"


do you think they miraculously materialize as rocks completely calcified?
or does some kind of sludge have to sit in there for years fossilizing?

Should I go back and pull up all your posts where you also admit that it takes years for real gallstones to grow?  Seems like now you are trying to back peddle on those claims since you have lost every other argument so far and need a new angle.

it seems like your argument is similar to "an acorn isn't a tree"
and i would agree

I don't see how.  An acorn is simply a seed that may or may not grow in to a tree.  But the tree, like gallstones, is slow to grow.  And like the acorn is not the tree, the sludge is not the gallstone.  To be called a stone the material must be of a certain size.  And as they grow real gallstones calcify, so they are not rubbery but rather hard.  And their grinding against each other makes them faceted, not round as you described yours.

Of course you have mentioned cutting your "rubbery balls" of saponified oil open and seeing rings.  This would indicate that they were of significant size.  This if they were real gallstones they would have been hard and faceted and not round and rubbery.

all people have to do is get a sonogram and make sure they don't have a
ROCK before flushing and you have no problem with it???

Spud did that then did the "liver flush".  She still passed the same rubbery balls.  Why?  Because they are saponified oil formed in the intestines, not real gallstones.

Let's go to the web master right now and have him post this:

EVERYONE BE SURE TO GET A SONOGRAM TO MAKE SURE YOU DON'T HAVE A ROCK IN YOUR GALL BLADDER OR LIVER BEFORE FLUSHING IF YOU WANT TO COMPLETELY ELIMINATE THE RISK OF ONE GETTING STUCK ON IT'S WAY OUT

Then would you get off everyone's case?

Again I ask, why is it the "liver flush" supporters are so scared to have the facts presented to people?  If they really had evidence that what they were passing were real gallstones then they would be presenting it everywhere they can find.  This is not happening though.  Why?  Because "liver flushing" is a scam.  

Am I going to keep reporting on this scam? Definitely.  So those who are willing to listen to the real evidence can choose for themselves what to believe and if they really want to get in to poop picking as a spare time hobby.

I am surprised that so many people fall for this scam anyway.  I mean think about it.  Anyone knowing much of anything about the body will realize that the ingestion of oil contracts the gallbladder, not the liver.  Therefore, if anything it should be called a gallbladder flush. So these people are taking advice from someone who came up with this garbage who did not even know the difference between the liver and the gallbladder!

Even the fact that people are claiming to pass stones larger than the maximum diameter of the ducts, or in volumes hundreds of times larger in volume than the gallbladder itself should tell people something.  But it seems like some people won't take the time to stop and think about it or at least use some simple common sense.  Someone claims they passed gallstones the size of a golf ball and people fall for it even though it is impossible.  These are the same type of people who also believe they won the Nigerian Lottery.

Well this is what I've heard

People here things all the time that are scams.  Why do you think so many people have lost their life savings in investment scams.  Just because someone can tell a great story this does not make it true.

and the flush stops my pain for years-

And I have explained ways that ingestion of oil can make one feel better.  This does not mean they passed real gallstones.

http://www.naturalnews.com/024397_liver_body_health.html">Gallstones in the Liver: A Major Health Risk

That is your best evidence?

"Gallstones in the Liver: A Major Health Risk"

So I checked to see who the author was and low and behold it was Andreas Moritz, who has been discredited other times for making up other claims as well:

http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1620100#i

http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1644737#i

http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1834608#i

Let's start with the title:

I am not getting stones. I am getting sludge.

Why do your stories keep changing every time your claims are exposed?  Sludge is not the same as stones.  Sludge is like tiny particles of sand.  Yet you clearly said several times that you cut these "rubbery balls" open and saw layers.  So how can you determine if sludge consists of "rubbery balls" being the grains are so tiny?  You can't.  How can you cut them open?  You can't.  How can you see layers in something the size of a grain of sand or smaller?  You can't.  Making up stories is not helping your arguments at all.

In fact, another contradiction also comes from one of your earlier posts:

"MINE DID NOT MELT. THEY HARDENED IN MY BODY AND INTERFERED WITH MY DIGESTION. THEY WERE PRE-CALCIFIED. FORTUNATELY I GOT THEM OUT BEFORE THEY HAD TIME TO TURN INTO ROCKS, OR I MIGHT HAVE ENDED UP AT THE HOSPITAL NEEDING AN OPERATION."

If they take 75 years to harden in to rocks as you claim then what was your worry?  Unless you had them all your life, which would not be the case you would have to be close to 90 years old to have to be worrying about gallstones according to your claims.  After all they have to harden in to rocks to lodge in the ducts.

It doesn't turn into a stone until you leave it in there for 75 years to petrify. If you only leave it in for 49 years, it only turns into hard rubber balls.

LOL!!!  Neither of these are true.  A real gallstone only takes a few years to grow and calcify.  In fact, I provided proof against your claim just a few days ago in my post:

Call them whatever you want. But they hurt and if you don't get them out, eventually your gall bladder will burst and you will get gangrene, is my unofficial unscientific understanding.

If they were real gallstones, which are calcified then damage to the gallbladder is a possibility.  Soap stones formed in the intestines from the "liver flush" do not hurt the gallbladder though.

And they are extremely painful. And you cannot eat a french fry without getting really bad indigestion.

Not quite.  This is why you need to find credible sources of information.

The reason some people don't get them and other people do is because of genetics

Again not true.  Many things can bring on gallstones including being overweight, hormones and sudden weight loss to name a few.  These are not genetic factors.  Again, you need to start finding credible sources of information.