Anyone who can reply to the lower bowel formula questions , and David Christopher's anti candida program..does it really cure leaky gut?
I found Christopher's program:
And I have to say that in my opinion he does not have a clue about Candida or leaky gut. For example, he claims that the Candida changes its form once it occupies all the available space in the intestines forming "appendages". And this leads to lesions, which he defines later as "perforations"
The appendages he refers to are called hyphae and pseudohyphae. The growth of these are not dependent on the overgrowth of Candida though. Instead they are reliant on the pH of the terrain. Parts of the body where Candida albicans is normally found are kept slightly acidic by the flora. The acidity turns off the Candida growth gene and keeps the Candida in a benign yeast form, which does not produce hyphae or pseudohyphae. When the flora are reduced sufficiently, such as with the use of antibiotics, the lack of acid forming Lactobacillus and Bifidus bacteria alter the pH of these areas to the alkaline side. This alkalinity turns on the Candida growth gene, which leads to the overgrowth. The alkalinity also stimulates the formation of hyphae and pseudohyphae. It is these hyphae that dig in to the tissues causing damage.
The damage leads to inflammation, not holes, that allow the gut to leak:
He goes on to claim that the perforations are leaky gut and this allows undigested proteins to enter the bloodstream.
First of all the intestines are not perforated in leaky gut. They are inflamed, which leads to more permeability. This allows partially digested, not undigested, proteins in solute to seep through in to the blood.
Next comes the same old claim of yeast overgrowth causing symptoms of so many other diseases. This is another of those repeated claims that nobody ever seems to come up with any evidence to back. Candidasis does not mimic many diseases.
Furthermore, Candidasis occurs in a fungal, not yeast form.
I do agree with the statement that trying to kill Candida does not work. I have been saying that for years. The problem is that Candida is a normal part of the body and all it takes is one surviving cell to grow back.
But you cannot correct the inflammation without controlling the Candida. This requires re-establishing the flora so they can produce the acids needed to change the dimorphic Candida from its fungal form back in to its benign yeast form.
And he does need to learn what the word "systemic" means. Systemic Candida is extremely rare and would likely be fatal in a very short time if not treated immediately.
There are a number of contradictions in the article. For example, saying that trying to kill the Candida in essence will not work. Then he recommends antifungal herbs to kill the Candida such as pau d' arco and black walnut hull.
Next he recommends taking the Intestinal Sweep Formula to kill off the yeast. First of all if the Candida is causing damage it is in its fungal, not yeast, form. Secondly, trying to kill the Candida does not work.
In addition, the Intestinal Sweep Formula contains the berberine herb Oregon Grape Root. Berberine kills the flora just like the antibiotics that cause the Candida overgrowth in the first place!
The next suggestion is to take large amounts of plant based digestive enzymes. As I have mentioned in other posts taking supplemental enzymes can shut down the body's own production of enzymes. In addition, the enzymes cellulase and hemicellulase increase sugar levels by digesting fibers while starving out the flora in the process. It is the flora that need to be fed to control the Candida.:
The enzyme amylase breaks down starches in to sugar that can also feed Candida.
Then he recommends taking the Lower Bowel Formula (LBF). Again, this formula contains more flora killing berberine herbs. I actually covered the dangers of berberine and the stimulant laxatives in this formula in an earlier post:
His recommendation for the Soothing Digestion Formula is good. This is a combination of slippery elm and licorice root, which are both great for leaky gut. The slippery elm produces a protective mucilage and the licorice root is a steroidal anti-inflammatory to reduce the inflammation that causes the leaky gut. I also like yucca root, which is also a strong steroidal anti-inflammatory like licorice root.
But then he recommends the Intestinal Sweep Formula, which again kills the flora that leads to Candida overgrowth and leaky gut. Berberine herbs kill the flora just as easily as pharmaceutical antibiotics.
And finally he recommends large amounts of probiotic capsules and finally cultured foods that he claims should not be consumed while you have leaky gut. Cultured foods such as raw sauerkraut, miso, tempeh, kefirs, etc. are the best way to jump start the flora to control the Candida, which reduces the inflammation that treats the leaky gut. You are not going to cure leaky gut by killing off the flora more with berberine herbs then taking a bunch of questionable probiotic capsules. Cultured foods provide more and stronger strains of probiotics. And they are live. When you buy probiotic capsules there is no way to tell how they were stored, for how long or if they were shipped in unrefrigerated trucks in the middle of summer. Therefore, there is no way to know if there is any viability left.
And don't forget you have to feed the bacteria once they are reintroduced. They need intact fibers, not enzymatically pre-digested fibers broken down in to sugar, to feed on. Soft fibers are best to prevent any further irritation to the intestines. I prefer rice bran, oat bran or vegetable gums (konjac, xanthan, guar, etc.). I don't recommend psyllium since it tends to cause bloating and the hulls can damage the intestines due to its sharpness.
Then he notes that it is essential to not feed the yeast during the procedure, which includes not consuming any sugar in any form. Yet he recommends enzymes that can lead to increased sugar levels from the breakdown of fibers and starches.
Then he recommends vegetables, nuts, seeds and sprouted legumes. He really believes that none of these sources contain sugar?!
Even if you did not consume anything your body can still generate glucose from a variety of sources including proteins, fats, lactate, etc. The process is known as gluconeogenesis.
Well put Hv.
Do you prefer kefir over sauerkraut/fermented veggies for jumpstarting the flora. Or Do both have about the same amount of benefits for our flora?
All the cultured foods have the benefits. I simply prefer the taste of kefirs myself.
For the long term I really prefer prebiotics over probiotic sources. There are thousands of beneficial strains of flora and even cultured foods only provide a tiny fraction of these. Prebiotics feed all the strains restoring their numbers.
I need to clarify something here so my last statement makes more sense. Antibiotic therapy does not kill all the flora. There will always be some survivors from the different strains. It is these survivors that will be fed and will regrow in large numbers if properly fed.
Was reading abt what uny shared about dr Christopher's formulas nowadays..thing is I just ordered the anti candida program ( by David Christopher) to be rushed shipped to me, because I have a very bad case of breast feeding thrush. The thrush has gone into my ducts and the nipple is bleeding and raw due to cracks. (sorry! But true..) it's been more than a week, and of course I am desperate, so I ordered the herbs..( I believe in herbs and refuse to take anti fungal drug orally ;(
1) I have problems moving my bowels for past two days even after starting on LB ( abt 14 dropper fills per day) dare not take more as my baby is still breast feeding and he has loose stools today. Once I get my intestinal sweep, I intend to take it to kill the yeast, but with my current congestion, is it a bad idea?
2) if I can't increase my dosage of LB due to baby, are there other safer ways to help move things along?
3) this program is by David, is it reliable and tried tested? If any one out there has experienced it, could you share?? I intend to follow it to a tee. That's before I read uny's posts abt dr Christopher formulas.
Any help or advice is greatly appreciated.
I cannot find anything on is Candida program so I cannot give you any information on this. I did find the ingredients on the LB formula though:
Barberry Bark, Cascara Sagrada Bark, Cayenne, Ginger, Lobelia herb and or seeds, Red Raspberry Leaves, Turkey Rhubarb Root, Fennel, Golden Seal Root.
Barberry and goldenseal both kill the intestinal flora, which can aggravate Candida and lead to IBS. Barberry and goldenseal also damage the intestinal lining after a dew weeks of use. These herbs also raise blood pressure by decreasing potassium and can drop blood sugar so they are not advised if prone to hypoglycemia. Because of the issues with the berberine herbs I personally do not recommend their use, especially when there are so many safer alternatives. The berberine herbs are goldenseal, barberry, Oregon grape root and coptis (goldthread).
Cascara sagrada and turkey rhubarb are anthraquinone stimulant laxatives. Stimulant laxatives like these will weaken the intestinal muscles leading to a laxative dependence after a week or two of use so I also recommend avoiding these herbs as well. Other anthraquinone rich stimulant laxatives include senna, Cape aloe ( Aloe ferox) and Curacao aloe (Aloe barbadensis).
Constipation has a number of causes, but can often be treated with increased fiber and water.
Building up the flora can also help with constipation and Candida in the gut since the flora regulate peristalsis and control Candida. Fiber will feed the flora.
You can also apply kefir on and around the nipple to help with the Candida here. The skin also has naturally occurring flora that help to maintain the skin's natural healthy acidic pH. As the skin loses its acidic pH the skin is more prone to damage and infection, including Candida. The flora also help to protect the skin from other infections such as bacteria through the production of bactericides, acids and peroxides.
The nipple skin is actually a source of flora for the baby as well. During breast feeding the baby ingests the flora in the skin and in the breast milk that help build up the baby's own flora.
Something else that can help is after breast feeding apply a little kefir on the tissues then rub on some sunflower seed oil. The oil helps prevent the skin from cracking and the oil is a great source of vitamins A and E that also benefit the skin.
What would be the optimal way to treat candida? What would you do? I'm trying everything. You seem like you are super smart! I've read many of ur posts but it's hard to get it down to a solution. You seem to believe that the best way is to just Increase gut flora? So just kefir and simple vegetable diet?
Kefirs and other cultured foods would be a great start since it is the acidity that turns off the Candida growth gene and keeps it in a yeast form rather than a dangerous fungal form.
And yes, sources of fiber to feed the flora. The only fibers I do not like really are psyllium and other hard fibers like wheat bran. My personal favorites are rice bran and oat bran. Both are soft fibers and rich in B vitamins. Unstabilized rice bran is also high in gamma oryzanol and octacosanol, both which have beneficial properties.
Vegetable gums or inulin sources like Jerusalem artichoke are also excellent for stimulating the flora.
Yucca root powder can be taken with these to help control the Candida, fermentation, inflammation and to support the flora. As a strong surfactant it should also help reduce the biofilm.
I started taking Goat Milk Yogurt and Rejuliviac and bought some Kefir (lactose free) although I have moderate allergy to cow milk.
I've increased my intake of veggies today from my usual...tons of kale, broccoli, etc..
I don't recommend large amounts of kale due to the oxalic acid.
And as far as broccoli and other cruciferous vegetables keep in mind that they are goitrogenic if raw. They should be cooked slightly to reduce their goitrogenic effect. Or take some seaweeds to help counter the effects and support the flora.
I also can't take psyllium, I'm allergic to the seeds, actually most seeds.
You can correct allergies by building up the adrenals.
I'm going to stop taking all my anti fungals like Coconut Oil, Oregonal, Garlic etc...because I think it's killing off my good bacteria.
Coconut oil will not. In fact the active components are fatty acids, just like the flora produce.
I'm also in a great dilemma, I was given Orecea for my Rosacea which is a low dose doxycycline and its not supposed to affect gut flora and its an anti inflamatory. I dont want to take it because I don't want to screw up my gut flora.
Rosacea is not bacterial so the antibiotic effect is worthless. For a topical anti-inflammatory you can search online for a licorice root ointment.
I'm also going to stop eating meat for a week, just TONS of veggies, I mean tons of veggies and pro biotics.
I also know I have parasites. Am thinking of doing the Clarkia protocol.
Don't know why you think you have parasites but the whole parasite issue has been totally overblown, especially by Hulda Clark.
If you really think you have parasites though safer choices would include Jerusalem artichoke, which also supports the flora due to the high inulin content. Raw pumpkin seeds are also great if you are not allergic. And food grade diatomaceous earth.
Which seems to be very effective and quick.
I have to return my gut to normal. This will be the ONLY way to heal my adrenal IMO. I'm going to fill my body with veggies and pro-biotics and take lots of vitamin C and Licorice as well as some stuff to support my liver.
I'm so sick of being sick but I know it all starts in the gut. My reflux has gotten bad, I know my doctor will want me to start Prilosec which I want to avoid. I think Candida has made its way into my sinus, mouth etc...
Prilosec will make things worse. You need to maintain your stomach acidity.
Again, thanks! Your posts are crazy smart! You should become a doctor or an ND! :D
Nah, I have much greater plans.
BTW - as for supporting the Adrenals. I stopped taking Iscort and am now just using Licorice root and Vitamin C.
Try to get natural vitamin C as much as possible. It is generally stronger and more stable than the synthetic commonly sold in health food stores. Good sources include peppers, papaya, kiwis, mango, berries, acerola cherry, amla, and rosehips.
p.s. Which one would you recommend here?
These are both the same link. And that is WAY overpriced for inulin. If you want natural sources I would just get Jerusalem artichoke or chicory root.
I am really surprised to see Standard Process on Amazon. Standard Process built their company by selling only to licensed physicians, chiropractors, veterinarians, etc. so they would have no competition from places like health food stores. They are going to piss off a lot of the people they are selling to when they find out that their customers can now buy what used to be prescribed by them from Amazon.
We should start Hveragerthi corner!
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