Moderator edit: To keep the integrity of this thread I've pasted Joe's post in its entirety at the end of my response to him directly below this post.
OK, you've seen this, now I may as well delete it.
Let me check real quick...your first parcel of healing goodies arrived around the end of January - so by now, you could have 2 full months of colon cleansing under your belt, plus 4 kidney cleanses and 4 liver weeks/flushes.
Yes, you "check real quick" and do things so quick that you fail to remember what you recommended last week. I remember you telling me to wait. Do I need to search the archives to prove my point to you? You say one thing and then forget it, or preach something different later on. IMO, you have wayyyy too much on your plate to be effective at all of it. I don't feel at fault here. I feel you're trying to pass the blame on to me when actually it was you that failed to answer questions I asked, and/or forgot what you told me earlier.
That statement is sooooo NOT true! Of course Uny is human and apt to make a few mistakes as we all do but it seems as if you don't fully realize just how seriously she takes her role as healing coach. Why do you think it takes her so long to answer posts? Its because she goes over what she's already posted to people to make sure the recommendations she makes are correct. She is VERY CONSISTENT with her answers! I've been here almost from the start and I can count on one hand and have fingers left over the number of times Uny has actually made a mistake or forgotten what she's said to a poster, and never have I seen her say "one thing and then forget it, or preach something different later on." Of course in the process of learning/growing we can learn something new or find a better way that would be considered preaching something different, but in the case of Uny answering you, this has not happened.
I did take my time to go through your posting history and found exactly what Uny recommended to you Joe and she's been very consistent with what she's told you regarding the IF#2 and HC, here it is:
From her full protocol post to you For josephr525 (and everyone, of course) LONG
We created the IF#2 Ultra with extra activated charcoal & bentonite for those with heavy metal/toxin burdens and those that just want to be more aggressive. I always suggest (if one wants to use it), to familiarize and regulate oneself first on the regular IF#2, because the Ultra is 'heavier' and can cause constipation.
Since you've just got your parcel and will be starting with the IF#1/IF#2, if you want to back off to less than 1/4 teaspoon 3x daily, (Willow here...she's talking about taking less Cayenne) then do that...but remember, the goal is a teaspoon 3x daily.
Here's how I suggest starting --
IF#1 - to be sure you can achieve 2-3 bms daily. Once you're sure you can do that, then you start with the IF#2 per the instructions here:http://curezone.com/schulze/handbook/intestinal.asp#1
Some folks (like me) have increased bm's from the extra fiber in the IF#2; those that tend toward constipation can become more sluggish. So you may have to take more IF#1 when you start the IF#2 (or less). Remember, cayenne powder also increases peristalsis, so you have more than one variable.
Always take IF#1 with food (or right after). If juice-fasting, take the IF#1 when you're having the IF#2.
Activated charcoal - you can start adding activated charcoal to each IF#2 dose at anytime...BUT...I strongly suggest you wait to add additional charcoal until you see if the small amount of activated charcoal/bentonite in the IF#2 noticeably affects your HC levels. Almost everyone will find that some level of their pharmaceuticals/supplements are adsorbed by the IF#2.
SO, I suggest that you should think of starting the IF#2 as a small cut in dose of the HC. If you're at 10mg on the HC, stay at that dose until you've been consistently on the IF#2 for a week. THEN, you can either add the additional charcoal to the IF#2 (1 teaspoon per dose of the IF#2) OR you can cut the HC dose...but don't do both until you see what effect the charcoal has on the HC plasma levels.
Once you've been taking the IF#2 (long enough to 'get comfortable' with it and be having 3bms daily), then you can start either one of the cleanses (5 days Kidney, or 5 days Liver followed by a liver flush on day 6).
But that contradicts what you already told me, to NOT cleanse until I've been on IF1 and IF2 for at least two weeks, with at least 2 BMs daily. I haven't the ability to spend tthe whole day here trying to figure this all out. It seems like you've contradicted yourself again. I've asked questions and had them ignored. Next thing I know, you're praising Ray as being a "best model patient" while some of us struggle with unanswered questions, HC, and other things. I feel it was poor taste for you to publicly praise him as "best patient" here. I I felt like it was a slap in the face to me and others here that don't progress as fast as Ray did. Could be and probably is many variables, but you don't take them into account.
Joe, we have clearly seen (from the posts above) what Uny has recommended for you to do. Its not her fault that you haven't been able for whatever reason to do a colon cleanse using both the IFs for two weeks. She has NOT contradicted herself at all! Its also not her fault that you don't have "the ability to spend tthe whole day here trying to figure this all out."
You are not the only person who has posted questions and not had them answered Joe! And yes, Uny has more than one person should have to deal with on her plate! But.....teaching people to heal themselves naturally isn't a job for Uny & Rocky, its their calling, its their gift, and its an awesome responsibility that neither of them take lightly! But the bottom line is, that there is only one Uny and she can only do so much. It is not Uny's responsibility to keep a diary of what she's posted to you as you suggested in a post you have since deleted. "Unless you keep an active daily diary of me, don't conclude about my progress." You are the one who should be doing that so you can easily go back and see what she's recommended to you. I know how hard it can be to keep things straight Joe and I've probably asked the same question more than once but Uny just doesn't have the time to answer every single post on the forum. If we all kept a journal of her answers to us it sure would save her the time of having to go back and search what she's already said when a question is asked a second time.
I appreciate your vast knowledge of natural healing but you have an innate ability to irritiate me with your words. If you don't take a daily diary of me and what I'm taking, I find it annoying when you conclude things about me.
Joe, it seems as if you get irratated with lots of folks (I'm one of 'em) and I truly think that is not you, its the HC because when you don't have enough in your system its clearly evident to all that you're messing with your dose and you're not stabilized. We all conclude things Joe, and we arrive at those conclusions due to what we see others post. Sometimes we might get it wrong but we're not a bunch of kids on a playground fighting to be noticed and getting jealous if one person gets more attention. We are all adults and hopefully we are ALL here to learn how to heal ourselves naturally and support others on their healing journey. We don't have time for anything less than our best efforts and we certainly don't have time for defending Uny against your accusations Joe, but I feel like I have to take that time because your accusations just aren't true!
People's bodies DO change from week to week! Something I took weeks or days ago may react altogether differently if I took it right now. You make a LOTÂ of sense on MANY things, but you can have a very stubborn, set POV on some things. When I have to feel afraid to tell you things, because I fear you will not accept or believe it, that's not a good way to feel with a healer.
There is never any reason to have fear about telling Uny what is going on with you Joe. Uny speaks the truth because if she doesn't she can't ever get her point across to people that need to learn to heal themselves and its up to each one of us if we want to learn what she teaches or not. I'm sorry you feel that way about expressing your truth.
In closing, I want to make it clear that I didn't make this post at Joe, so much as I made it to the thousands of people who will eventually read it. I want to make it clear that Uny has a mind like a steel trap! She just doesn't forget what people say nor does she behave in a wishy washy manner when putting together protocols for people who need to heal themselves. I, better than anyone here with the possible exception of Wings, personally KNOW Uny. She takes what she does very seriously! You can't get much past Uny and her discernment. I also want to point out that she doesn't get paid ONE dime for any of the thousands upon thousands of hours she spends helping each person who truly wants to heal themselves naturally! She is SELFLESS and so is Rocky who is an amazing man himself! I don't go to doctors so I don't have anything but what I've heard from others who have spent thousands of dollars on doctors and treatments that do nothing but make them sicker and here we have Uny who asks for nothing but for people to learn what she teaches, do the research and heal themselves. Uny would be ultra rich if she was paid for what she does here on this forum and I think we need to support her efforts and show her respect, its the very least we can do!
Joe, I want you to know I have no anger in my heart for you, what I've said has come from love. I know that when you make these accusatory posts its not you but the HC talking, its an illness. But Uny just doesn't have the time to keep defending herself and she shouldn't have to, so I ask that in the future (if you continue to post here) if you feel like making one of those kinds of posts, you refrain until you get your HC dose leveled. Think of all the hours she's spent on making posts to you when you've accused her. I know of several cases where she has spent hours replying to one of your posts only to come back to the forum and see that you've leveled your HC dose and deleted or edited your post (I have copies of them all). That is time that she'll never get back that she could have spent putting a protocol together for someone who has been patiently waiting for weeks.
It is my utmost desire that you will ultimately be able to heal yourself and be who you were meant to be without the HC!
Blessings of health,
Willow
Edit: Joe's deleted post
Let me check real quick...your first parcel of healing goodies arrived around the end of January - so by now, you could have 2 full months of colon cleansing under your belt, plus 4 kidney cleanses and 4 liver weeks/flushes.
Yes, you "check real quick" and do things so quick that you fail to remember what you recommended last week. I remember you telling me to wait. Do I need to search the archives to prove my point to you? You say one thing and then forget it, or preach something different later on. IMO, you have wayyyy too much on your plate to be effective at all of it. I don't feel at fault here. I feel you're trying to pass the blame on to me when actually it was you that failed to answer questions I asked, and/or forgot what you told me earlier.
But that contradicts what you already told me, to NOT cleanse until I've been on IF1 and IF2 for at least two weeks, with at least 2 BMs daily. I haven't the ability to spend tthe whole day here trying to figure this all out. It seems like you've contradicted yourself again. I've asked questions and had them ignored. Next thing I know, you're praising Ray as being a "best model patient" while some of us struggle with unanswered questions, HC, and other things. I feel it was poor taste for you to publicly praise him as "best patient" here. I I felt like it was a slap in the face to me and others here that don't progress as fast as Ray did. Could be and probably is many variables, but you don't take them into account.
I appreciate your vast knowledge of natural healing but you have an innate ability to irritiate me with your words. If you don't take a daily diary of me and what I'm taking, I find it annoying when you conclude things about me.
People's bodies DO change from week to week! Something I took weeks or days ago may react altogether differently if I took it right now. You make a LOT of sense on MANY things, but you can have a very stubborn, set POV on some things. When I have to feel afraid to tell you things, because I fear you will not accept or believe it, that's not a good way to feel with a healer.