You know it does my heart good to see new people coming to the forum and jumping right in the healing mode! You are doing great things already and it's only going to get better.
I don't know if you read this post from Uny Big liver flush every two weeks, no prepping...OR it was in the Liver Flush FAQ [FAQ] Healing Cleanse:Liver/Gallbladder: Working File Thread
When I did my first CE I felt like I might have had a caffeine buzz because I felt so energized but I really didn't know if that was what it was because I have never had a cup of coffee lol. Some people on the forum told me it probably wasn't a caffeine buzz because if it was I'd surely know it so I can't really advise you about that but unless you got the tube up too high I'd venture to say that's the normal feeling you get after a CE. I guess if were drinking coffee you'd know if that's what it was. How long did you retain it and are you using therapeutic coffee?
This:
~~I'm done lying around in bed all day wishing my body functioned like it used to. I used to be a performing musician with a promising career and record deal. On weekends/summers I would hike up and camp on the slopes of Mt. Ranier and Mt. Shasta. It's well past time to put this all together and then put it all behind me.~~
That kinda talk is from a WINNER!!!! I LOVE to hear such positive words and without a doubt you're going to be doing all those things again because you're willing to do what it takes to get there!
You've certainly done your research! Uny has found some FANTASTIC information for you but in the meantime I don't think it would hurt to juice fast as long as you've got your bowels moving with the IFs and you're having at least 3 BMs a day. As far as what order to do things, I'm sure Uny will put it together and give you her recommendations based on the information she's found for your circumstance, (being floxed). I'm sure it won't be much longer and you are going to be thrilled when you see it!
I'm so excited for you, you'll have to remember us when you get to those slopes and take some photos for us!
Abundant blessings,
Willow
Regarding the use of Epsom Salts (and other 'thinks & thoughts')
First rule of truly natural healing (one of many "first rules" :::grin:::) There is never a need to compromise or harm one part of the body to heal another part of the body.
From a past post:
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Dr. Schulze flushed thousands of livers (many with cancer tumors & other 'major' liver blockages/cirrhosis), and never once used Epsom Salts...and no one ever dealt with a 'stuck stone'. Dr. Gerson did not use liver flushing at all (but of course, 4-5 CE's daily for months on end is going to dislodge & dissolve all but the calcified stones...and even those may be dislodged & expelled as the liver continues to heal and have adequate bile flow).
Dr. Schulze allows folks to 'choose their own juice' in the 5-day liver cleanse (or use 'seasonal' fruit), but I disagree. The juice should always be apple. (And of course, the daily ACV Bomb, which includes 1 T of ACV 3x daily is also very beneficial for the malic acid that softens stones). This 5-day cleanse (which includes the morning flush drink
Remember, on the IP, liver week culminates with a liver flush...that means we're doing serious work and prepping on the liver for 5 days prior to the flush. And the herbal support is solid and very beneficial.
Regarding the experiences of 'past flushes' and using them as a gauge for future flushes: ~!~ What is the BEST liver flush? LIVER FLUSH 101 (I'm not saying that we shouldn't listen to our doctor within and pay close attention to what we've experienced in the past). However, flushes done "cold" with only ES and apple juice are very different from prepping the liver with daily CE's, castor oil packs, foot reflexology and strong herbal/chologague support.
For consideration regarding this: >>> Among the 13 liver flushes I've done, I did one where I didn't do the Apple Juice prep. I did use epsom salts though. But I had pain in my liver for a few days after the flush, I think from expelling a large stone that was not softened, since I omitted the prep. <<<
There's quite a few possible causes for pain/tenderness after a flush (your theory is certainly valid). The first thing that comes to mind is a stone/s being dislodged in the liver from one place and moving forward 'toward the exit door', but ending up in a tighter biliary duct (that wasn't previously 'stretched' to fit the stone). If you've ever had a boil you may have experienced something like this: sometimes when they 'break' after being swollen for long periods of time, there is pain & tenderness from the tissue 'deflating' so rapidly. Another possibility is liver flukes. I envision the tails of the flukes hanging down from the wall of the biliary ducts like the "curtain made of strips of canvas" at the end of a car wash. Flushing a lot of debris into those tails can sometimes cause a temporary 'clog of stones' that will take a few days after the flush to resolve. Of course, there are other possibilities...as well as options for softening stones. Gold Coin Grass is excellent; I've read Chance Piedra is as well, but I've never used it myself.
I recommend (in the absence of ES) to do two CE's the day after a flush. One after your 'wake-up' bowel movement, and another around later afternoon (or after supper). If my liver feels 'worked over' the day after a flush, a castor oil pack is like a 'soft healing pillow'...it's gentle & soothing "liver TLC" :)
Healthiest of blessings,
Uny

Seattle is my second favorite city in the whole world! When I read that you missed hiking up Mt. Rainier, I was like, "Yes! You absolutely have to get well so you can get back there!"
When I saw Mt. Rainier and the Puget Sound where it meets the Pacific Ocean, I became an environmentalist for life. I am dead serious. I "got it." I hiked in the Cascades and saw Canada for the first and only time! The water there is so sweet and you can actually drink the water coming from the snow melt coming down the mountain side! We went to Snosqualmie Falls, took the Bremerton Ferry over to Pike Place Market for city block after city block of the freshest organic produce I've ever had. I ate my first Rainier cherry at a stand in Pike Place Market and went to heaven right there.
I couldn't always see Rainier while I was there, but when I did, I would gasp at the beauty. There is something spiritual about that mountain.
You just don't want to mess something like that up.
Hey, I am not anywhere near as knowledgeable as Uny is about the Incurables Program, but I have done it, and have a lot of practical experience with it. I work full time, but as I can, I would love to help answer a few questions and offer some support.
Wings
>>can i ask: for what did you do the incurables program?<<
Yes, dx was muscular dystrophy
>>did it 'cure' you?<<
No, but I definitely saw my progression stop and begin to improve
>> did you include the cold sheet therapy?<<
Yes. Several times.
>>how was that?<<
Terrifying the first time, traumatic the second time, after that I was able to get my head around it and it wasn't so bad.
If I do them again, I think I could get into it. Hot and cold hydrotherapy is *amazing.*
Have you ever seen the SYL videos? On one of the dvds Dr. Schulze videos a lady doing cold sheet treatment. If you don't have the SYL dvds yet I *highly* recommend you get them and the print manual that goes with them so you can understand what you're doing. Uny can tell you how to get ahold of them.
Wings
>>did it 'cure' you?<<
"No, but I definitely saw my progression stop and begin to improve"
But do you think that if life hadn't gotten in your way (as it does to all of us from time to time lol) that you could have healed yourself using the IP? I forget, how many rounds did you do? I remember you posting some powerful improvements YAY!
I don't know, Willow. I just know I was going in a positive direction. In my mind's eye I did see myself completely symptom free, whether or not the gene mutation was still there or not. I still do.
I have done a total of 5 rounds of the IP, if you include the two half months.
I'm not done healing, by any means. I'm healing my entire life. You know how Schulze says you're supposed to stop doing what makes you sick and start doing what makes you well? He means stop doing *everything* that is making you sick. And you and I both know that "everything" is all-inclusive.
Wings
Thanks Wings. I didn't realize you did 5 rounds, that is a lot! Yep, you absolutely were going in a positive direction, we could see that in your posts ;-)
Yeah, ain't that the truth? I think when people read where Dr. Schuzle says "stop doing what made you sick" they think of things like, stop eating junk and stop taking all the chemical meds, but its so much more than that! It's stop "everything" that is toxic! Everything includes toxic people in our lives or toxic situations that cause stress which leads to dis-ease.
I'm in a very stressful situation right now with work and I see more and more every single day I've gotta get myself outta there before that stress starts showing up as some kind of sickness!
Healing our entire lives is definitely where its at for sure and I'm right there with ya healing MY entire life!
Hugs,
Willow
...from 'Wing's official "IP coach" - ME :) Note: please forgive any 'memory mistakes' - if I make them, they're not likely to be signficant, but I don't want anyone thinking that I'm thinking I have a flawless memory :)
As far as "full rounds of the Incurables Program", let's clarify what we're talking about when we say "IP". There's a HUGE difference between what Dr. Schulze now sells as his "full IP" and what it really is and was***...and then there's the difference between 'the original' and what I've put together here (using various herbs/therapies from Dr. Christopher and Dr. Gerson...which Dr. Schulze either didn't write about, know of, or know enough about to utilize). And then there's the additions & dosage changes we must make to keep up with a more toxic planet (and more toxic drugs).
As I recall, the first round 'Wings did was 30 days of the 'bare minimum'...without ANY of the additional herbs or therapies that Dr. Schulze likely would have had her doing if she would have been under his clinical care. My memory is foggy on this, but I'm thinking she didn't even have the SYL manual or videos back then (I didn't know her then). And that round (or two? I only remember one...but I wasn't the one doing it) was done several years before doing the IP as is recommended here for a couple-three months. The IP is meant to be a "do it 'till you're healed" program; "healing momentum" is easily built, and easily destroyed. So in my mind, 30-60 days worth of 'minimal IPing' with a several year break before a couple-three more months of 'much more complete IPing' was done, doesn't actually equal "5 rounds of IPing"...although the benefits gained from the original month or two wouldn't be completely lost. I just want to set the 'forum record' straight on that :)
***As far as "herbal products" here's the difference between what Dr. Schulze now sells as an "IP" an what I suggest now (this is copied from our Storefront)
THE FULL IP PROGRAM (NOT customized):
IF#1 - 100 Capsules
IF#2 or IF#2 Ultra - 30 Days Worth (specify ground flax see or whole)
2 - 5 Day Kidney Cleanse
1 - 3 Day Kidney Stone/Bad Calcium Flush
2 - 5 Day Liver Cleanse with Blood Detox
8 oz Echinacea Tincture
8 oz Black Walnut Tincture
16 oz Parasite Formula & 6 oz Parasite Herbs
8 oz Cayenne Powder
4 oz Cayenne Tincture
2 oz Lobelia Tincture
6 oz Calcium Tincture
1 - 42 oz Superfood (Original) for 6T daily
4 Cold Sheet Tea
8 oz Slippery Elm Bark Powder
8 oz Bentonite Clay
8 oz Activated Charcoal Powder
If purchased individually/retail (5 different suppliers/shipping) - approximate cost would be $1195.00 without shipping.
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Dr. Schulze's current IP:
4T Superfood daily; 180 IF#1; 20 days IF#2; 4oz Echinacea; 10 Day Liver Cleanse; 10 Day Kidney Cleanse; Book - $460
HFR's current IP:
4T Superfood daily; 100 IF#1; 20 days IF#2; 5 Day Liver/Kidney Cleanse; 1 extra Blood Detox; 4oz Echinacea; 32oz Super Tonic; 2 oz Stone Dissolve Tincture; 1 oz Cayenne Tincture; probiotics; pH paper; sea salt - $469
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Most importantly, this does NOT include "customization" for each individuals specific disease, syndrome or illness! This is the 'baseline' that everybody does, but there are many additions/options for each individual.
This first link contains a basic "to do" (and to NOT to-do) IP list...it's more than just a list of 'herbal products'. Foundational IP 30 Day "To Do" List
This one was posted with some 'customization specifics' for another poster (and a LOT of informational links), but the basics are here: http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1422655
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Once again (as I have in the past), I want to extend my praise, kudos and applause for the massive amount of learning, effort, application and healing that 'Wings accomplished while IPing. When it comes to "incurable disease" both Dr. Schulze and myself 'set the bar HIGH', and I took my position as "IP coach" extremely seriously. To be able to not only stop the progression of Muscular Dystrophy, but also reverse symptoms that it had caused, speaks wonders to her efforts & application of the program. She has my full respect for all of that, and always has (and always will).
Of course, there's "life"...and during the time she was intensively IPing, she was also homeschooling four children (not to mention her duties as the mother of her grown children and as a wife). From my perspective, many "IP days' she did a whole lot more supporting of everybody else, than everybody else supporting her...which wasn't always in her control, or her choice. And that negatively impacted the results at some level. The most important thing is that even when she wasn't able to accomplish 100% everyday, she did what she could do...and stopping the progression of MD and reversing the damage in just a couple-three months is a phenomenal testimony to the efficacy of a fully customized Incurables Program!!!
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Cold Sheet Treatment. I'd like to add my own experience here. I've done the Cold Sheet Treatment once, and I'm seriously looking forward to prioritizing my time and doing it again in the future. When I did it, I wasn't doing it for my own benefit, I was doing it 'to experience & analyze it' (and because someone I was coaching had 'great fear of it', and she really 'needed' me to do it so her fears would be lessened). Before continuing, I need to share that I made one major mistake (and knew I was making a mistake when I did it). The day I was getting all my ducks in a row for the CST, I realized I didn't have any Yarrow for the CST tea, so rather than leaving it out I got a bottle of cheap supplement. Knowing that they were cheap and not as effective, I emptied all the capsules and added the entire bottle...which was likely about 4x as much "Yarrow dust' as I should have had, not to mention it's toxicity to my body. What did it do? Well, 2 hours after getting out of the bath I started having diarrhea, and ended up visiting the commode 10-12 times before sunrise. Talk about a "grrrrrrrrr me" night...that was definitely one! Onward...
I'd read several stories of folks doing the CST and of course, had read everything from Schulze/Christopher available. I had a plastic tarp on my bed (that was big enough to lay on and to fold over to protect the blankets I had to put over me), garbage bags on my pillows, a sheet soaking in ice-water, the tea made & strained (teapot in the bathroom), and the bath herbs mixed. In the bathroom by the tub I had a bottle of Cayenne tincture and a bottle of Lobelia tincture (necessary to have in the case of Cayenne-blood pressure, heart issues; Lobelia-any type of spasms), a wet cool cloth and a thermometer. I had a huge jar of vaseline and an old bra & pair of underwear. And I had the garlic cloves peeled and mixed with ACV/water in the Vitamix, ready to 'puree' and use for the garlic injection (I didn't have a 'rectal syringe' so I used a cheap Fleet enema bag with flexible tubing (the enema bag was clear on one side so I could see the garlic/slurry. I cut the tubing short so I could get as much of the 1 cup of garlic slurry in me as possible). I had made a 'garlic paste' of crushed garlic cloves, water & Slippery Elm bark powder. I didn't know if I'd use it on my feet or not (I didn't).
I put the herbs in an old sock and tied it tightly and drew the bath with the hottest water I could stand (about 2/3 full, knowing I'd want to add more hot water, but not wanting to drain out any of the herb-imbued water to add more hot water)...applied a heavy amount of Vaseline to my nipples and genital area, put the underwear, and layed down on an unfolded lawn chair in the bathroom to do the rectal injection.
I inserted the tube, unclamped it and squeezed the flexible bag as hard & completely as I could (knowing that I had to get as much in, as quickly as I could, because I was going to expell it immediately). WOW...like Dr. Schulze says, it is a VERY "grounding" experience, and it DOES jump-start the fever. I jumped onto the commode, expelled it all and experienced a few minutes of very harsh cramping. I felt like I "was" a garlic clove, and I was sweating all over. YAY, I was doing it right! :) As soon as I was sure the cramping was receding, I hopped into the tub.
Rocky was there to keep filling my teacup, check on me, and make sure I didn't 'wimp out' (I am no a 'wimper-outer! lol...but hey, Dr. Schulze said someone is supposed to keep you in after you're begging to get out, so that was on his 'job list'), and get the iced sheet out of the bucket and wrap it around me.
Well, the very first thing I noticed (and it totally infuriated me, and still does), is that when the Vaseline hit the hot water, that it 'melted' out of my bra and panties and made a thick film all over the water...and ME! Give me a friggin' break here - this is supposed to be partially about 'sweating out toxins!!! How in the *%^(#! is my body supposed to sweat out toxins if all my pores are clogged with Vaseline!?! GRRRRRRR. And just how is someone that's disabled supposed to safely stand and get out of tub when both them and the tub is covered in Vaseline?! (double GRRRRRR).
Well, I settled myself down and started drinking my tea (I had a total of 7 cups). At first it didn't seem all that hot in the bath, but within a few minutes my ankles and lower calves started burning slightly (the sock with the herbs was floating between my ankles), so I started 'swishing the water around me' to try to keep it 'even'. I slid down several times and soaked my upper body a few minutes to make sure I was getting as much of a 'full body' treatment as I could get. I added more hot water around the 15 minute mark (the water itself felt tepid at that point). I took my temperature several times, and once it almost reached 101 degrees toward the end. After about 30 minutes, I was "cooked" (lol) and burning all over (especially from the waist down). I actually could have stayed in quite a bit longer I think, but I was starting to breath heavily...so I took a couple of droppers of Cayenne to see if I could 'regulate' my breathing a bit. (I wanted to stay in longer and attain a higher temperature). But the Cayenne internally didn't seem to have much of an effect on my breathing, and I was needing to breath through my mouth (and it was starting to feel a bit like hyperventilation was around the corner), so I decided it was time to get out after 34 minutes. By the way, I had nothing even remotely similar to an 'emotional purge'...I wasn't expecting one. (I don't know that I have any deep emotional issues that need purging...maybe I do - but I'm a tough ole hen, and it'd likely take a LOT more than a hot bath and some garlic up my butt to bring deep emotional issues out of me! lol). Honestly, I've always had a LOT of 'emotional flow' and rarely keep things bottled up, so I probably don't need a "CST shock treatment" for emotional healing. Besides, I was doing this 'for the record' as a healing coach; I was likely too busy 'analyzing' to allow it to affect me on an emotional level.
I decided it would be best to try to wash off all the Vaseline before getting into the cold sheet, so I turned on the shower, grabbed the shower/scrub brush and scrubbed down and rinsed off as best/quickly as I could. Then stepped out and into the cold sheet Rocky had open for me. I grabbed a corner and an edge and turned in a circle and wrapped myself up a like a burrito (the cold sheet was a wee-tiny shock, but didn't seem like 'much cold' at all after a few seconds), and then I hobbled into the bedroom and flopped myself down onto the tarp like a fish. Nope, that wouldn't do (very uncomfortable), so I 'unrolled & rerolled' and made it looser (we'd pinned it with diaper pins). I squiggled around a bit, found a comfortable position and proceeded to 'experience the experience'.
I had already read of people saying they 'burned for hours' and it seemed to me they'd been "fighting the heat". I remember old Indians and "spiritual masters", saying "be one with the cold/pain/heat" and that they could handle anything if they 'became one with it", so I had decided long before I ever stepped into the tub to "become one with the healing heat" and not fight it. So after a few minutes of adjustment, I settled down and started to 'melt into the healing heat' and 'become one' with the healing. It didn't take long before I was totally "blissed out" and experiencing a state of body/mind that I'd never experienced before. I unpinned the sheet (as it was now hot everywhere it was touching me), unwrapped myself, and just folded it in half (one half below me, the other half on top of me). Rocky was checking on me every 10 minutes or so, and after 30-40 minutes I told him I was totally lucid/fine and that having to answer him was interrupting my 'healing bliss state' (and that I'd call him if I needed him). Eventually, I ditched the sheet, got up and put on sweat pants/shirt and piled on tons of blankets & comforters...and if it hadn't been for the diarrhea, I'm sure I would have fallen into one of the best sleep experiences of my life.
Some people are very energized the next day; some are weak as a kitten. I was weak as a kitten. All in the world I wanted was a juice IV, and to lay around experiencing the 'healing afterglow'. It felt a bit like the weakness/relief one feels after 'breaking a fever'...but MUCH more healthy. I immediately wanted to do it again (only without the Vaseline and diarrhea, and uncomfortable sheet situation). I wanted to attain a higher temperature, and I wanted more of the 'cold sheet' benefit. (This protocol is meant to copy a hydrotherapy treatment that involved inducing a fever & sweating by the use of hot water/herbs, and keeping the body's internal furnace working by putting people out in a snowdrift or ice/cold water. To me, a cold/wet sheet is not an adequate substitute for a few hours in a snowdrift!). When I do it again, here's what I will change:
--I will make the Cold Sheet tea the right way (of course)
--I will put a space heater in the bathroom, because I've learned that if we breath in hot air it will help our temperature to rise.
--I will NOT use Vaseline, I will get a pair of 'adult waterproof underwear' (not adult diapers, but like the rubber/waterproof pants that used to be used over cloth diapers for babies) that are secured tightly with elastic around the thighs & waist. I won't worry about my nipples (I think they can take it, lol)
--I will make a second 'sock of CST herbs' and put it in a huge pan of boiling water on the stove, let it simmer a bit, turn off the heat and put the lid on it. That way as the water in the tub becomes tepid, I can drain out some of the tepid herb water that's in the tub, run in more hot water from the faucet (and add 'herb water' from my 'pan on the stove')...being careful of course, not to scald myself.
--If I can, and feel as if it is safe....once I've stayed in the cayenne/herb water as long as I can (and gotten my temperature as high as I can get it), I will let the cayenne/herb water drain out, and start refilling the tub with tepid/cool water...continuing to drain/add water until it's cold-cold...and then add ice to the water. I would like to stay in the ice water until I'm so cold that I'm shivering to keep warm for as long as I can (making sure the water isn't cold enough to cause tissue damage)...and then get out of the tub, jump into warm sweats, pile on the covers and then proceed to 'become one with the healing burn'.
--Garlic paste on feet? Maybe, maybe not.
Note: no matter WHAT you do, your skin IS going to be 'on fire' for several hours. This is not something you can 'wash off' with a cold sheet or cold water. The herbs soak into your pores and they 'do their thing' until they stop 'doing their thing'. You will not have any control over it at all. You have two choices - fight it and be miserable, or 'become one with it' and experience the 'healing bliss' of it. I suggest the latter :)
And that concludes my personal Cold Sheet Treatment experience and notes. I hope my experience assists you to have the most effective 'blissed out' healing experiences it is possible to have with yours!
Blessings,
Uny
>> As far as "full rounds of the Incurables Program", let's clarify what we're talking about when we say "IP". There's a HUGE difference between what Dr. Schulze now sells as his "full IP" and what it really is and was***...and then there's the difference between 'the original' and what I've put together here (using various herbs/therapies from Dr. Christopher and Dr. Gerson...which Dr. Schulze either didn't write about, know of, or know enough about to utilize). And then there's the additions & dosage changes we must make to keep up with a more toxic planet (and more toxic drugs).
As I recall, the first round 'Wings did was 30 days of the 'bare minimum'...without ANY of the additional herbs or therapies that Dr. Schulze likely would have had her doing if she would have been under his clinical care. My memory is foggy on this, but I'm thinking she didn't even have the SYL manual or videos back then (I didn't know her then). And that round (or two? I only remember one...but I wasn't the one doing it) was done several years before doing the IP as is recommended here for a couple-three months.<<
Correct. I hope no one gets the idea that I did five full rounds of Uny's IP back to back or even at all.
My first 30 day round of the Incurables Program utilized the IP kit Schulze sells on his website and the little book that goes with it. I did it for one month, with the sweet assistance of a moderator/poster named BOB, my very dear friend (beginning with this experience) Southern Belle, and one of the most wonderful men I have ever met, my faithful encourager, Owen. I had not met Uny yet. I felt awesome after that 30 day cleanse, and I remember the day I was able to dance in my husband's arms, even with that "lesser" IP.
When it became obvious that I would require more than one round of the IP, my husband said he would no longer support my doing the program, because it was too much work and he did not believe I was getting any better. I attempted to do the IP again on my own a few months later. Again, it was the "lesser" IP. I was met with divorce threats over doing it, so I quit after two weeks.
As Uny said, it was several years before I could do the Incurables Program again.
>>The IP is meant to be a "do it 'till you're healed" program; "healing momentum" is easily built, and easily destroyed. So in my mind, 30-60 days worth of 'minimal IPing' with a several year break before a couple-three more months of 'much more complete IPing' was done, doesn't actually equal "5 rounds of IPing"...although the benefits gained from the original month or two wouldn't be completely lost. I just want to set the 'forum record' straight on that :)<<
Uny is correct. When I did do the IP four years later, I did it with Uny, using the full SYL directions plus all the custom herbs and recommendations Uny is famous for, and had a COMPLETELY different experience. I did do the IP for two VERY intense months, in the face of negative if not antagonostic family disapproval. So I never did do anything remotely close to five months back to back. Then I did another round which was kind of a fizzle due to the lack of family support. Later I tried doing it alone, without coaching, but by then it was obvious that I needed to work on some other aspects of my healing before I could concentrate on my physical body.
>>Once again (as I have in the past), I want to extend my praise, kudos and applause for the massive amount of learning, effort, application and healing that 'Wings accomplished while IPing.<<
I think my IPing experience with Uny has been one of the most life-changing experiences of my life.
>>When it comes to "incurable disease" both Dr. Schulze and myself 'set the bar HIGH', and I took my position as "IP coach" extremely seriously. <<
Yes, she did. Very, very much so. (ok, trying not to cry here...) But y'all, Uny is the real deal. She is absolutely unbelieveable.
I love you, Uny.
You, too, Rocky.
Oh, heck... and everybody else who loved me through all that...
>>To be able to not only stop the progression of Muscular Dystrophy, but also reverse symptoms that it had caused, speaks wonders to her efforts & application of the program. She has my full respect for all of that, and always has (and always will).
Of course, there's "life"...and during the time she was intensively IPing, she was also homeschooling four children (not to mention her duties as the mother of her grown children and as a wife).
From my perspective, many "IP days' she did a whole lot more supporting of everybody else, than everybody else supporting her...which wasn't always in her control, or her choice. And that negatively impacted the results at some level. <<
I told Uny I knew what salmon felt like. Swimming upstream against incredible odds, but somehow making it all the way to the spawning grounds despite everything. Salmon have an incredible "why," and so did (do) I. I adopted the little salmon as my mascot.
>>The most important thing is that even when she wasn't able to accomplish 100% everyday, she did what she could do...and stopping the progression of MD and reversing the damage in just a couple-three months is a phenomenal testimony to the efficacy of a fully customized Incurables Program!!!<<
Right now, I'm not doing the IP. However, I am still healing the parts of me that I am able to work on.
I'm sure everyone who reads Uny's forum knows that we are complex beings with bodies, emotions, spirits, environments, etc. Sometimes there are blockages to our total healing. We have to remove those blockages or we have a difficult time seeing a complete healing. Sometimes it takes more than one teacher or healer to help us. Sometimes we need to do some growing up before we can appreciate truth and wisdom. Sometimes we need to forgive others or ourselves for something that happened in the past. Sometimes we have to take a leap of faith. And sometimes we just have to rip off a bandage or blow off the doors to a locked up room in our heart and let it hurt for awhile.
Those of you who are working on your healing now, please know that I pray for you every day. I pray for Uny and Rocky, for Willow, Water, and all of the wonderful posters who contribute their knowledge, insight, and questions. I pray for a hedge of protection around the forum, and for blankets of comfort around those who are hurting. I pray for physical stamina and wisdom, as well as truth for Uny and her family. I pray for all the behind the scenes people who make Curezone possible. I pray for Dushan, who owns the Curezone website.
For those who are uncomfortable with the word "prayer," I send my most positive intentions from my Highest Self to bring light and healing energy to this place and to these people who have been attracted here.
I only know what I know. But if what I know will help you along your healing path, I am happy to help you, as I have been helped myself.
Wings