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UN IPCC Official Admits 'We Redistribute World's Wealth By Climate Policy'
If you needed any more evidence that the entire theory of manmade global warming was a scheme to redistribute wealth you got it Sunday when a leading member of the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change told a German news outlet, "[W]e redistribute de facto the world's wealth by climate policy."
Such was originally published by Germany's NZZ Online Sunday, and reprinted in English by the Global Warming Policy Foundation moments ago:
(NZZ AM SONNTAG): The new thing about your proposal for a Global Deal is the stress on the importance of development policy for climate policy. Until now, many think of aid when they hear development policies.
(OTTMAR EDENHOFER, UN IPCC OFFICIAL): That will change immediately if global emission rights are distributed. If this happens, on a per capita basis, then Africa will be the big winner, and huge amounts of money will flow there. This will have enormous implications for development policy. And it will raise the question if these countries can deal responsibly with so much money at all.
(NZZ): That does not sound anymore like the climate policy that we know.
(EDENHOFER): Basically it's a big mistake to discuss climate policy separately from the major themes of globalization. The climate summit in Cancun at the end of the month is not a climate conference, but one of the largest economic conferences since the Second World War. Why? Because we have 11,000 gigatons of carbon in the coal reserves in the soil under our feet - and we must emit only 400 gigatons in the atmosphere if we want to keep the 2-degree target. 11 000 to 400 - there is no getting around the fact that most of the fossil reserves must remain in the soil.
(NZZ): De facto, this means an expropriation of the countries with natural resources. This leads to a very different development from that which has been triggered by development policy.
(EDENHOFER): First of all, developed countries have basically expropriated the atmosphere of the world community. But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world's wealth by climate policy. Obviously, the owners of coal and oil will not be enthusiastic about this. One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole.
For the record, Edenhofer was co-chair of the IPCC's Working Group III, and was a lead author of the IPCC's Fourth Assessment Report released in 2007 which controversially concluded, "Most of the observed increase in global average temperatures since the mid-20th century is very likely due to the observed increase in anthropogenic greenhouse gas concentrations."
As such, this man is a huge player in advancing this theory, and he has now made it quite clear - as folks on the realist side of this debate have been saying for years - that this is actually an international economic scheme designed to redistribute wealth.
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I couldn't agree more.
HOWEVER, as laudable as the idea is on paper the reality is that the controlling elite will use any wealth redistribution to take more money from the middle/working classes and redistribute much of it to their own already full coffers. Governments and their elected officials, appointed officials and agencies largely serve the monied elite - look at the FDA for a glaring example among many. Regardless of all the lip service about serving the people's best interests, when it comes down to it they serve the monied interests of their masters first and foremost.
People may laugh behind their blinders at Ryan's rants on the subject, but they do so at their own ignorant peril. Although I may not agree with Ryan's debating style oftentimes, he knows more about this subject than most. I would suggest that people would be better served by wiping the smirks off their faces when it comes to carbon taxes and cap and trades schemes and the like and do their homework to see what the real agenda is. It decidedly is NOT taking money from the rich and giving it to the poor - it is taking money from the working and middle class, perhaps giving a relative pittance to the poor, and giving your and my money to those who already have most of the money. In the process, we also lose even more freedom with yet more government/global control over our lives.
If you want a good analogy, think about foreign aid - either regular aid or disaster aid. Too much of the time our money, foreign food and other supplies end up in the hands of corrupt rulers in control and their cronies. The same would be true on a vast scale with carbon tax/cap schemes. Putting wealth redistribution in the hands of global powers who are controlled by the global elite would be akin to hiring Haliburtion to distribute potable water and food to third world countries. Yeah, you would see plenty of photo-ops pieces of the poor getting water and food. What you would not see would be Halliburton's bank vaults filling up due to charging robber-baron prices for the aid and their services.
Manmade global warming is a smoke-screen to begin with. Global warming, as has been thoroughly demonstrated, is cyclical and to a very large extent there is little we can do about it. Man may contribute to it, but man's contributions are small in comparison to the natural cycle. The issue should be pollution and all the toxins we are spewing into our environment. The answer to that over-reaching problem is not to allow interests which have been identified as "clean" to sell credits to those who have been deemed "dirty". Even if you could trust the certifications, that just enriches one group and allows the polluters to keep on polluting.
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This is a reply to # 1,727,453Man made global warming is a reality, the Science is very clear for anyone who actually studies this. This does not mean I agree with any carbon trading scheme, I think there are better ways to deal with this, that don't mean the money will go back to the largest polluters, and allow them to keep polluting by buying there way.
This issue is about corporate greed, its not about communism or fascism, it is about allowing these corporations,(and the governments that support them), to destroy our planet for their own profit margin.
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This is a reply to # 1,727,496I have studied the science, and while I am not saying for one minute that man does not contribute to global warming, just saying that global warming is about much more than man's contributions. Thus has it been for millions of years. If I strike a match, that contributes to global warming. Likewise, so does carbon emissions. But what is the overall impact?
http://www.tbyil.com/Global_Warming.htm
Corporate greed surely comes into play, especially when it comes to all the toxins that are being allowed and spewed into our environment. But the solutions being put forward won't end corporate greed, they will just play into it and further enrich the greedy corporations and the global elite who own and control them. To think otherwise is to not realize who really controls the wealth, politics, and resources of this planet. It isn't you or me and it won't be so long as we try to solve problems with politicians and government bodies who have sold their souls to the monied elite.
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This is a reply to # 1,727,516We will have to agree to disagree on the contributions of humans to global warming, (it is the combination of global warming and the polluting of our environment that is the problem), and its not natural processes that are causing this problem, it is human beings.
I agree, the current ideas put forward by various political parties across the globe, such as carbon trading, cap and trade, ETS, etc, will not solve anything, and they will provide a means for these corporations to keep polluting, as I said in my previous post.
It will take a combined global effort to solve the problems that humans have created, and we, the people that live in the countries most responsible for the problem, should be helping those countries affected by global warming and pollution.
It will be the people of the Earth that solve this, by cutting the amount of energy and resources we consume, and not supporting the big polluters. It wont be politicians or big business that solve the problems we have on this planet, because they are invested in destruction.
While people deny the reality of the pollution and destruction of our world, and refuse to take responsibility for their part in this, nothing will be solved.
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This is a reply to # 1,727,519Did you look at the article I linked to?
You could wipe humans entirely off the face of the earth and there would still be natural, cyclical global warming. There is a lot of talk about melting ice caps and sea levels rising, but in actuality those rises have been tiny in terms of historical fluctuations. From 1900 until now, sea levels have risen about 20 cm or so. However, over the past 8000 years, sea levels have risen over 15 meters. Going way back in time, over the past 500 plus million years sea levels have been over 100 meters higher on average.
See: http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1700775#i
Man may be contributing to global warming, but it is far from the single cause of global warming, What is indisputable, and what should therefore be the target in my opinion, is the man made and man caused toxins. Those represent a much bigger and continued threat to life in my opinion. And the solution is not to dream up a scheme that rewards rich companies who sell their "clean" credits and let polluters keep on spewing and spilling toxins.
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This is a reply to # 1,727,650Get rid of the pollution and there would be no human contribution to global warming. We may not agree that humans are the main cause of global warming, or as I prefer to call it, "climate change", because the problem isn't just about the earth getting warmer, but we can agree that something must be done about the polluting of our planet.
Its no point blaming the elite, we, all humans play apart in supporting the big polluters, and we can all change that fact, but doing what we can, as individuals, communities and even nations, to stop supporting the polluters.
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This is a reply to # 1,727,650The problem with the the Global Warming climate change scam is it doesn't solve anything ,it allows the corporate polluters to continue polluting and punish the people for no fault of their own! If these pro AWG people wanted to help the environment why don't they eliminate or fine heavily those who release real pollution ,not CO2 a natural compound that is ubiquitus in nature! Why is there not a SO2 foot print, a real toxic threat that can be dealt with! The answer is simple only industry emits this toxin you cant spread the blame and minimize corporate losses!
Why isn't mercury eliminated or heavily controlled! Because only industry uses this toxin you can't put the blame on the public!
Why are toxins allowed in our food and not an issue amongst the Climate Change con artist! Because once again only industry would be held responsible!
Like the article says Climate change has nothing to do with the environment but simply to re distribute wealth ,taking money out of the working class people and spreading it to political agencies to spend at their whims! More then likely against the population which they wish to control!
Supporting the UN is like supporting the hang man ! In supporting the UN you support Codex Alimentarius ,you support Monsanto and its bid in senate bill S510 to make growing your own food saving seeds and raising small live stock like raising layer hens illegal!
Supporting UN Agenda21 and its Sustainable Development is biting your nose off to spite your face, this agenda is nothing but high pitched scam to install population control and an illegal land grab that will have everyone living in large metro areas with no control whatsoever over our own lives!
In supporting the UN agenda you support the elimination of our Constitution and the human rights it embraces!
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You could wipe humans entirely off the face of the earth and there would still be natural, cyclical global warming.
This is true to an extent. Earth has always has cyclical warming and cooling trends, but the majority of this has been due to volcanic activity, which spews out a lot of global warming gases. In fact at times in history more than all the gases that man has produced. But we also have to keep in mind that Earth is not near as geologically active as it was millions of years ago. So natural contribution to global warming has declined drastically even with other factors such as naturally rotting vegetation and fires.
Another factor where mankind has made a big difference on global warming is the destruction of our forests worldwide from cutting, burning and indirectly from acid rain. Less plants, less CO2 absorption. In the past there was cycling because nature would generate CO2 and the plants would absorb the CO2, so there was a balance. Mankind had shifted this balance and has instead created a downward slide. If people don't get out their denial and wake up to reality mankind will simply destroy itself.
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This is a reply to # 1,727,895As mentioned in most of these posts above ,no one disagrees that pollution takes place! But the truth is the ongoing agenda by certain power groups to re distribute wealth according to global warming dictate do absolutely nothing to solve the situation! In fact it will continue to allow the main perpetrators of pollution crime to continue!
The IPCC and the United Nations have admitted that their agenda has nothing to do with solving any problems but is put in place simply to redistribute wealth! Could this confession be any more revealing ? - Re: A good concept but a horrible re... spudlydoo
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This is a reply to # 1,727,895Very True Hv, while cyclical warming was a very slow process, human activity has, in the last 200 years, sped up this process remarkably.
The denial is being fuelled by corporations who want to keep polluting.
Same thing as "chemicals are needed in agriculture, they are perfectly safe to use".
Or, "pharmaceuticals make peoples lives better, and aren't dangerous at all".
Convince people that the dangers don't exist, and keep on polluting and killing, business as usual for the multi-national corporations.
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This is a reply to # 1,727,895
Some very good points. Deforestation is a huge concern as far as I am concerned, especially deforestation of the rain forests - which have aptly been referred to as the earth's natural lungs and pharmacies. I would also go so far as to label rain forests and other forests and plants as part of our natural lymphatic system and livers. In addition to processing CO2 and producing oxygen, plants also trap and process toxins.
Though the earth is less geologically active than in past eras - and one would expect a lessening over time - I suspect that the earth still has some significant future events and activities in store for us. A good indication of that is the volcanic actiitivies in just the past several centuries to see that - a mere blink of an eye compared to the billions of years the planet has been around.
Meanwhile, the Yellowstone super volcano lurks, waiting for its next catastrophic eruption. And somewhere down the line we are due for another shift of the earth's axis - talk about your global catastrophy and extinction event! Then there are astroid/meteor/comet impacts . . . we might be ready to handle those, given enough time and preparation, but it is hard to see us able to control axis shifts and super volcanoes.
However, taking first things first, we need to get past the poisoning of ourselves and our planet and take a look at what the real threats are. I don't see manmade global warming in and of itself to be one, but I surely do see manmade poisoning to be.
Looking back geologically we find that CO2 levels have been as much as ten times greater at times than they are now. We also see periods of much, much greater warming and cooling - even in relatively recent times of just thousands of years. Historically, CO2 levels have only correlated slightly with warming, if at all. For an interesting article/study, see:
http://biocab.org/carbon_dioxide_geological_timescale.html
Given the increased toxins we have spewed into our environment (some of which have half lives of 50,000 years or more), increased manmade radiation in all forms, and the deforestation I would say that we may pollute ourselves off the planet faster than we will ever warm ourselves to death.
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This is a reply to # 1,727,993"Given the increased toxins we have spewed into our environment (some of which have half lives of 50,000 years or more), increased manmade radiation in all forms, and the deforestation I would say that we may pollute ourselves off the planet faster than we will ever warm ourselves to death."
Perhaps, unless you live in an area of the world that is vulnerable to the effects of climate change, such as my country.
Fix the pollution problem, and you will fix the global warming problem as well. Win/Win for the planet, and us humans.
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Fix the pollution problem, and you will fix the global warming problem as well. Win/Win for the planet, and us humans.
We need to fix the pollution problem alright, but doing so would not fix global warming - it would only fix the small part of global warming that is caused by man. Forget what you have been sold on by the maim-stream media. They are the same folks (agents) who tell you that vaccines and drugs are good for you and that natural healing, herbs and vitamins and such are not. The same ones who tell you that the Gulf is safe again and would serve you up a plate of Corexit shrimp.
The blindered masses have been sold on the bogus scare of man-made global warming by those who seek to use it as a scheme to take even more wealth and control - and boy have the masses and greenies bought into it. The real danger is toxins, but it would be extremely impolitique to admit that inconvenient truth it would be hard to try to profit on a cap and trade type scheme for toxic pollution. That would focus attention on the real problem. Better by far to scheme to increase profits while diverting attention to global warming.
Toxins are our number one enironmental threat and we could do something about them. On the other hand, if you eliminated every human on the planet tomorrow, there would still be global warming.
One thing we can agree on - there certainly is much that we can do as individuals to decrease our negative imprint on the planet. We are not Gods of the world, just privileged guests who happen to have occupied the top rung on the food chain for a mere geological blink of the eye. As such, we should behave as considerate guests and if we want to think of ourselves in terms of superiority, then we should use our supposed superiority to be conscientious stewards for the planet instead of unthinking ruiners.
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This is a reply to # 1,728,021"Forget what you have been sold on by the maim-stream media. They are the same folks (agents) who tell you that vaccines and drugs are good for you and that natural healing, herbs and vitamins and such are not. The same ones who tell you that the Gulf is safe again and would serve you up a plate of Corexit shrimp."
I haven't been sold anything by the MSM, I don't buy from them. I look at the science, (which by its very nature is not absolute), and I discern for myself, (based on my knowledge and research), what is truth, and what is propaganda.
I also look to who benefits from the denial of climate change and global warming, and that is very noticeably the big polluters, the multi-national corporations, governments that are beholding to these corporations, and are fed by the corporations.
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I also look to who benefits from the denial of climate change and global warming, and that is very noticeably the big polluters, the multi-national corporations, governments that are beholding to these corporations, and are fed by the corporations.
Look at who benefits from denial of toxins and you will see the same list. Cleaning up toxins involves a lot more than reducing carbon emissions. And there is no easy scheme to profit from toxins reduction. In actuality, a lot of the multi-nationals and governments are buying into carbon reduction - because it provides with a scheme to increase their control and wealth. Plus, many of the big toxic polluters are the same ones who will be certified as acceptable polluters when it comes to global warming and thus will not only get to keep up their toxic pollution but be rewarded for it by selling off their credits for being good global warming citizens. Barf!Many of us who deny man-made climate change and global warming - at least deny it to anywhere near the extent it has been portrayed - having nothing to gain from it other than telling the truth and preventing further erosion of our money and our freedoms to those who already have far more power and wealth than they deserve.
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This is a reply to # 1,727,046Lies deceit and fraud, taking from the poor and giving to the rich, all these crimes can be justified as long as its for the cause!
This is the mentality of the liberal fascist, the ends justify the means,it doesn't matter how unjust or corrupt!
It doesn't matter that the United Nations is a Communist criminal entity with totalitarian goals as long as the cause is being fulfilled !
It doesn't matter that people in third world countries will continue to live in abject poverty as long as the cause is being fulfilled or that poor people all over the world will lose everything they own because they can't afford to pay their energy costs or living in the cold and dark because of some lie or scam, this is fascism in all its glory ,others suffering because of the dictate of a group misguided amoral climate fundamentalist radicals and their puppet masters, as long as the cause is being fulfilled! the cause, complete and total rule over all of the planet its resources and its people!- Re: UN IPCC Official Admits 'We Redi... spudlydoo
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This is a reply to # 1,727,160Really, have you got any proof of any of this Ryan, or are you just having a rant.
Its the corporations and the big polluters who don't want anything done about climate change, because if nothing is done and the Science is discredited, they can go on polluting the planet, exploiting the poor and stealing the resources of countries in Africa, the Middle East, India, etc.
The rich will line their pockets, and destroy the planet for all humans.
It has nothing to do with communism, its all about greed.
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This is a reply to # 1,727,165Spud, I just read his latest rant and nearly spit out my morning coffee! That was, without doubt, one of his funniest to date! United Nations, communist, criminal, fascist, liberal .... what the hell?! Oh, my sides are aching!
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